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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:31 AM
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EXTRA! EXTRA! Study: Fructose Sweetener Spurs Obesity! SHOCKING NEWS!

Fructose Sweetener Spurs Obesity

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2005/07/29/hscout527111.html

"Another study finds that high consumption of soft drinks and other sweetened beverages contributes to obesity. But this study, conducted in mice, suggests that one form of natural sweetener -- fructose -- may be especially likely to encourage weight gain.

In the study, researchers at the University of Cincinnati allowed mice to freely consume either plain water or fructose-sweetened water and soft drinks.

The mice that drank the fructose-sweetened water and soft drinks gained weight, even though they took in fewer calories from solid food.

By the end of the study, the mice that consumed fructose-sweetened beverages had 90 percent more body fat than the mice that consumed water only.

..."



This does actually move our understanding of the physiology forward, though, yes, most people knew fructose was a big problem a long time ago.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:34 AM
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1. Is fructose worse for us than sucrose? n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:58 AM
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12. "high frutose corn syrup" killer ingredient and it is NOT sugar sucrose
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 11:00 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup
Think of sugar and you think of sugar cane or beets. Extraction of sugar from sugar cane spurred the colonization of the New World. Extraction of sugar from beets was developed during the time of Napoleon so that the French could have sugar in spite of the English trading blockade.

Nobody thinks of sugar when they see a field of corn. Most of us would be surprised to learn that the larger percentage of sweeteners used in processed food comes from corn, not sugar cane or beets.

The process for making the sweetener high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) out of corn was developed in the 1970s. Use of HFCS grew rapidly, from less than three million short tons in 1980 to almost 8 million short tons in 1995. During the late 1990s, use of sugar actually declined as it was eclipsed by HFCS. Today Americans consume more HFCS than sugar.

High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is produced by processing corn starch to yield glucose, and then processing the glucose to produce a high percentage of fructose. It all sounds rather simple—white cornstarch is turned into crystal clear syrup. However, the process is actually very complicated. Three different enzymes are needed to break down cornstarch, which is composed of chains of glucose molecules of almost infinite length, into the simple sugars glucose and fructose.

First, cornstarch is treated with alpha-amylase to produce shorter chains of sugars called polysaccharides. Alpha-amylase is industrially produced by a bacterium, usually Bacillus sp. It is purified and then shipped to HFCS manufacturers.

Next, an enzyme called glucoamylase breaks the sugar chains down even further to yield the simple sugar glucose. Unlike alpha-amylase, glucoamylase is produced by Aspergillus, a fungus, in a fermentation vat where one would likely see little balls of Aspergillus floating on the top.

The third enzyme, glucose-isomerase, is very expensive. It converts glucose to a mixture of about 42 percent fructose and 50-52 percent glucose with some other sugars mixed in. While alpha-amylase and glucoamylase are added directly to the slurry, pricey glucose-isomerase is packed into columns and the sugar mixture is then passed over it. Inexpensive alpha-amylase and glucoamylase are used only once, glucose-isomerase is reused until it loses most of its activity.

There are two more steps involved. First is a liquid chromatography step that takes the mixture to 90 percent fructose. Finally, this is back-blended with the original mixture to yield a final concentration of about 55 percent fructose—what the industry calls high fructose corn syrup.

HFCS has the exact same sweetness and taste as an equal amount of sucrose from cane or beet sugar but it is obviously much more complicated to make, involving vats of murky fermenting liquid, fungus and chemical tweaking, all of which take place in one of 16 chemical plants located in the Corn Belt. Yet in spite of all the special enzymes required, HFCS is actually cheaper than sugar. It is also very easy to transport—it's just piped into tanker trucks. This translates into lower costs and higher profits for food producers.


Today HFCS is used to sweeten jams, condiments like ketchup, and soft drinks. It is also a favorite ingredient in many so-called health foods. Four companies control 85 percent of the $2.6 billion business—Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, Staley Manufacturing Co. and CPC International. In the mid-1990s, ADM was the object of an FBI probe into price fixing of three products—HFCS, citric acid and lysine—and consumers got a glimpse of the murky world of corporate manipulation.

There's a couple of other murky things that consumers should know about HFCS. According to a food technology expert, two of the enzymes used, alpha-amylase and glucose-isomerase, are genetically modified to make them more stable. Enzymes are actually very large proteins and through genetic modification specific amino acids in the enzymes are changed or replaced so the enzyme's "backbone" won't break down or unfold. This allows the industry to get the enzymes to higher temperatures before they become unstable.

Consumers trying to avoid genetically modified foods should avoid HFCS. It is almost certainly made from genetically modified corn and then it is processed with genetically modified enzymes. I've seen some estimates claiming that virtually everything—almost 80 percent—of what we eat today has been genetically modified at some point. Since the use of HFCS is so prevalent in processed foods, those figures may be right.

But there's another reason to avoid HFCS. Consumers may think that because it contains fructose—which they associate with fruit, which is a natural food—that it is healthier than sugar. A team of investigators at the USDA, led by Dr. Meira Field, has discovered that this just ain't so.

Sucrose is composed of glucose and fructose. When sugar is given to rats in high amounts, the rats develop multiple health problems, especially when the rats were deficient in certain nutrients, such as copper. The researchers wanted to know whether it was the fructose or the glucose moiety that was causing the problems. So they repeated their studies with two groups of rats, one given high amounts of glucose and one given high amounts of fructose. The glucose group was unaffected but the fructose group had disastrous results. The male rats did not reach adulthood. They had anemia, high cholesterol and heart hypertrophy—that means that their hearts enlarged until they exploded. They also had delayed testicular development. Dr. Field explains that fructose in combination with copper deficiency in the growing animal interferes with collagen production. (Copper deficiency, by the way, is widespread in America.) In a nutshell, the little bodies of the rats just fell apart. The females were not so affected, but they were unable to produce live young.




The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn SyrupBill Sanda exposes problems with the industry's favorite sweetener.
www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html



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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:06 PM
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31. WOW!!!.....
So what are the specific foods that have little or no fructose?
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:37 AM
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2. Manchurian Kool-Aid?
Just curious, did these over weight mice have an urge to vote Republican?
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:37 AM
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3. Bill Maher got it right...
he has been warning about corn syrup for a loooong time. It is a big commodity here in the US.

I imagine this study will be deep sixed by the corn lobby.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:47 AM
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9. Anyone cooking with corn syrup and cups of salt at home?
Anyone real big on Capri Sun? Look at the feel good packaging "...all natural juice..." but it's actually 2 to 10% juice then water and corn syrup. A real example of blatant lying in packaging if you ask me. Check out the amount of sodium in things like tomato juice or spaghetti sauce. Way more than your mom would use on a manic day. It's there as a preservative I guess or for the mildly addictive qualities of highly sugared or salted foods.
Had to get that out of my system. I am not a doctor of food science by the way. Just relating my bits and pieces of observation so take it for what it's worth.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:38 AM
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4. So what mother nature makes for us is bad, but the shit
they refine is good for us... You want to buy a bridge.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:40 AM
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6. Truth is, none of it is really natural, and it's all bad for us
The altered "fructose" every food company is pumping into their products is a far cry from the fructose we get when we eat real fruit.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:57 AM
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11. Mother nature makes arsenic and rattlesnake venom too...
and last I checked, they are "bad" for you.

The problem is putting stuff in you that feels/tastes good, in quantities the human body was never designed for.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:08 AM
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16. Actually, Rattlesnake Venom Is A Source Of Medicine. Can't Remember
what at the moment...
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:40 AM
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5. People think juices are so healthy
But they are full of sugar. I try my best to avoid... and if not, at least stick with the 100% juice ones and not the Minute Maid kool aid/juice varieties.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:14 PM
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35. Natural sugar is usually found in longer chains than refined sugar.
Which is why you never get a the same "sugar shock" from an apple as you do a candy bar. Complex sugars need to be broken down by our bodies, so they provide a very steady amount of energy over long periods.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:44 AM
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7. Fructose = fruit sugar.
So we've pulled all the sucrose-laden pop out of school drink machines and now have fruit juices instead.

Great.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:59 AM
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13. High-Fructose corn syrup isnt..ISNT Fructose..it is an Artificial additive
read my post below
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:45 AM
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8. High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) is the villain. nt
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:59 AM
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14. Yup. And it's not just in "fruit juice drinks," either.
Check out the labels on prepared spaghetti sauce some time. High Fructose Corn Syrup is the first or second ingredient listed on a lot of them. The stuff is everywhere.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:05 AM
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15. HFCS is used to sweeten jams, condiments like ketchup, and .........
soft drinks. It is also a favorite ingredient in many so-called health foods. Four companies control 85 percent of the $2.6 billion business—Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, Staley Manufacturing Co. and CPC International. In the mid-1990s, ADM was the object of an FBI probe into price fixing of three products—HFCS, citric acid and lysine—and consumers got a glimpse of the murky world of corporate manipulation.

read "The Informant" true story that reads like a Grisham novel about the FBI and ADM....you will see how INSIDIOUS the company is and never eat processed foods again.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:13 AM
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17. it is pretty much in EVERYTHING !!
you would be very hard pressed to avoid it..

you would have to learn to cook to avoid it..:cry:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:16 AM
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19. i grow my own food , can and jar and cook everything from scratch
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 11:16 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:54 AM
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20. I make just about everything from scratch, i am an Environmental Canary
from the 80's. That is a syndrome caused by a chemical called 4PC, it was used in the backing of carpets. I became allergic to anything with any petroleum product or that had formaldehyde in it. I had to cut the elastic out of my socks and underwear and make draw strings in them.. i moved to Port Townsend WA and moved into the woods in an 80 year old cabin that had not ever been painted.. I still had SERIOUS BAD hives on about 1/4 of my body for about 6 years at any given time.. when id didn't touch a newspaper or sit in a chair that had been sprayed with ScotchGuard in the last 10 years.. you could feel the heat coming off my hives a foot away.. they were like an 8 inch to 12 inch welt, like dinner plate under the skin about an inch thick .. you could push on one edge the thing would move.. they were rock hard and felt like i had been burned.

I was lucky, some people never got over it. The EPA never admitted 4PC was the cause, although they put new carpets in their headquarters and over 30% of their employees became sick enough to qualify for workmen's comp. the building was closed as a "Sick Building" after 2 years.. 6 years later people got in and took a 1 foot square of the carpet and put it in a chamber that blew air over it into a cage with 6 mice.. all but one of the mice were dead in 24 hours.

some Lobby paid a lot of money to shut that Class Action Law Suit up.

20 years later i still itch and have to avoid a lot of things but i am much better... I smell chemicals and identify them when other people cant detect anything.. I was working at Boeing and someone didn't want to go into a vented room as some chemicals require.. i jumped up and yelled, "who has the Methyl Ethel Ketone and the Trichlore Etheline.. that has to be in vented room..!!" some dumbass smartly asked why.. i pulled up my shirt and displayed the Vermilion Rash across mt stomach, under my arms and on my neck. i told them to read the MSDS
it will give you cancer in everything you got and cause birth defects. the supervisor just told her to get that crap bo the vented room.. she long ago learned when i took a stand on anything i was going to win.. I rarely ever did.. but the paper work for a complaint was motovation for them to listen.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 08:17 PM
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29. Yes, that's an incredible book. Really opened my eyes!
And when Andreas Jr. appealed his conviction, the judge who hear the appeal said that Andreas was lucky that he couldn't sentence him as a result of the appeal. Not only would he not reduce his fine or sentence, but he would've increased them both significantly!

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:47 AM
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10. here is the scientific explanationin simple language......... .......Link>
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:15 AM
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18. Most of the corn grown in the US is used for corn syrup
I was in Southern Ohio last year, and they grow LOTS of corn in those parts. Now I know people eat popcorn, and sweet corn, and corn meal is used for some things, but no way could that account for all that corn I saw growing.

Indeed, most of the corn is used for high fructose corn syrup. Now when I am in the grocery store I always read the ingredients, and it's in EVERYTHING. Almost every juice in the juice aisle is sweetned with it, and lots of other things like sauces have it too.

Those fake juices (like Capri Sun) are a major cause of tooth decay as well. They make them so easy to pack for lunches, but they are terrible.,

I buy 100% apple juice or orange juice for the kids, or Odwallas. They actually don't drink a lot of juice, which is a big factor in obesity. They get their fruit by eating whole fruit, and they drink a lot of water. (Not that they are perfect, they drink soda sometimes, too, but I will not stock the house with it, or with those overly sweetened fake juices.)
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 02:04 PM
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26. Actually that is not correct. Most of the corn grown in this country, 78%
as a matter of fact is fed to the 10 billion animals raised and slaughter for flesh every year in this country.

Most of the grain grown in this country is genetically modified frankencorn. Monsanto would have you believe their gen mod program is meant to benefit "mankind", but there is really only one reason for modifying that corn - so that it can survive ever increasing amounts of herbicide and pesticide treatments. The farmers bathe their fields in RoundUp herbicide so strong it kills every living thing it touches and renders the soil utterly barren - except for their genetically modified Monsanto corn..


The whole bloody mess is utterly unnatural. Corporations and the meat industry are killing you, and they don't care. Human beings are an expendable and self replacing resource to them.

BTW......... they found another mad cow again. They apparently waited THREE MONTHS to test this one. Why do you suppose that is?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:54 PM
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28. They also use corn, including the stalks, to make ..................
corn silage to feed to feedlot cattle. It is anaerobically fermented, sort of like pickled corn-y vegetables..........icky stuff, but very nutritious.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:41 PM
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21. We Are Going To Find That Obesity Is The Least Of The Problems Caused
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 12:42 PM by loindelrio
by HFCS someday.

The epidemic rise of adult-onset diabetes, in teenagers, parallels the introduction of HFCS. This cannot be explained by the 'obesity' argument. Kids were obese in the 70's.

The canary in the mine shaft for me is the Indian (Native American) population. 50 yrs. ago a case of diabetes in this population would warrant a journal article. 30 yrs. ago would have been rare. Today, diabetes in some Indian populations is approaching 50 percent. Due to the poor food and poverty on reservations, obesity in Indians has not changed that much over the last 30 yrs. So, what has been introduced into their food supply?

Just like the mercury in vaccine, some individuals in the population are particularly sensitive. In the case of the Indians, we have a somewhat homogeneous genetic pool, therefore the effects are magnified. What will happen to us, who can tolerant more, when we get into our 50's, 60's and 70's after having consumed HFCS for over 30 years. My bet, diabetes will epidemic.

One researcher I heard speak expressed concern that we do not know what HFCS is doing, since it is a man-made molecule. Could it be that the problems are just due to the quantity consumed, or is there a deeper organic problem?
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:06 PM
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22. If we weren't in the evil world of Bush
the FDA would classify HFCS as a harmful substance (causes weight gain) with no nutritional value, and ban it w/o a script (frutose is used medically on occassion).

At the same time, the govt. should get out of propping up the sugar cane/beat industry with various quotas, price supports, and the like. This will make the pricing a little easier to swallow.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:13 PM
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23. As soon as I see "high fructose corn syrup" in the ingredients list
it goes right back on the shelf and NOT in my basket.

I've also taught my daughter about it. She used to point to things like Capri Sun juice boxes and says "but it says 100% vitamin C!" She thought that meant 100% juice, thus 100% good.

So I showed her where it says "10% juice." I'll only buy 100% juice, none of that non-juice crap.

And I look for HFCS in other products, too. People are usually amazed at how many items contain that ingredient. I know I was when I first learned about it.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:18 PM
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24. 100% juice isn't good for kids either
most Pediatritions I know would love it if juice was banned tommorrow. Most juices are all sweetener (even if its natural), and many parents allow juice as a substitution to water.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:28 PM
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25. I've always cut it half and half with water.
And we aren't big consumers of juice, anyway.

She'd much rather eat the real thing (fruit) anyway.

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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:09 PM
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32. I have to make jam for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches...
or else buy imported jam. All American made jam uses HFCS.

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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:49 PM
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27. I am fructose Intolerant --
the stuff nearly killed me -- until I figured out to read labels and avoid anything with HFCS -- High Fructose Corn Syrup. I used to love Coke and then they changed the "formula" -- switching from sugar to Corn syrup. I suspect that many people have some form of fructose Intolerance the number could be as many as 1 per 1,000 people -- this includes mild reactions to High Fructose Corn syrup (HFCS) to life threatening reactions to HFCS. It will be up to the sufferers to self-diagnose themselves because frankly the M.D. track record of diagnosing this is very poor. It is often diagnosed as Irritable Bowel Syndrome or sometimes diabetes or merely alcoholism.


That's when the head aches started -- horrible intense head aches. But I didn't know the reason for the head aches -- and that I was sick and getting sicker because cane sugar was being replaced by HFCS in nearly everything. Check bread labels -- nearly all have Corn Syrup or one of the alternatives (Malt, made with corn sugar).

I would be dead if I hadn't figured out that corn syrup -- corn was making me ill. But I didn't realize that my body doesn't recognize fructose -- I don't have an enzyme which enables me to digest fructose. And this is ultimately lethal to me -- had I not discovered the cause for my constant flu like symptoms.

I've included links -- because I suspect that many people may have some form of fructose Intolerance -- from mild to HFI (Hereditary Fructose Intolerance). HFCS can also be found in many medications -- ever look at ingredients cough syrups??


It is estimated that upward of 1 per 20,000 people have Hereditary Fructose Intolerance -- HFI -- often HFI is misdiagnosed. An enzyme necessary to process fructose is missing in people with Hereditary Fructose Intolerance.

More information here:

http://www.bu.edu/aldolase/HFI/

Boston University is involved in much of the HFI research

HFI Incidence Rate

The world-wide incidence rate of HFI remains unknown due to the difficulty of HFI diagnosis. The first report of an incidence rate was from Switzerland, where over a five year period that included 100,000 births, five cases of HFI were reported (1). The degree of deviation in this estimate of 1 in 20,000 births is large and the incidence rate may range from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100,000. A more recent study in the UK using DNA testing indicated a more precise incidence rate of 1 in 22,000 where the range would be between 1 in 12,000 to 1 in 58,000 (2).

It is likely that the incidence rate varies quite widely among different ethnic groups. Until easier and more effective methods of diagnosis are available from research involving different ethnic groups, the incidence rate will remain unclear (3). There have been numerous reports of self diagnosis in adulthood, inadvertent deaths to undiagnosed subjects, and homozygous-heterozygous marriages, all of which indicate that the incidence rate could be closer to 1 in 10,000 (4, 5, 6; C. Brooks and D. Tolan, unpublished data). If so, the carrier frequency would be 1 in 50. While the frequency of HFI in Switzerland is considered by many pediatricians to be higher than other parts of the world, the reports outlined above have occurred world-wide and the presumption that HFI is a rare disorder is clearly premature.
http://www.bu.edu/aldolase/HFI/incidence/index.html


http://www.henryfordhealth.org/14509.cfm

Alternative names: " Fructosemia; Fructose intolerance; Fructose aldolase B-deficiency "

There are other Fructose Intolerance diseases --

"Fructose Intolerance is often misdiagnosed as IBS (Irritable Bowel Disease)."

<snip>

"Dietary fructose intolerance is more common-place today than it was 20 years ago because our diet have changed, and not for the better. It is not related to hereditary fructose intolerance, a widely described inherited condition where the body does not produce the chemical needed to break down fructose, a condition diagnosed in infancy after weaning from breast milk."

http://www.phancypages.com/newsletter/ZNewsletter446.htm

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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 08:31 PM
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30. We stopped drinking all sodas last fall
went back to fruit juice, tea, water and milk, stopped using any artificial sweeteners, using only real (also organic) sugar and honey, and hubby and I each dropped 20 pounds...without changing our eating habits any other way. And we were drinking DIET sodas.

Was also diagnosed Type II diabetic, am now not. My doctor applauded me for changing my diet, and when I told him what I had done, he was shocked.

We also stopped getting headaches in a big way. I can count on one hand the number of headaches I have had since last October when I used to get them ALL the time..horrible ones too. Hubby even noticed his have decreased dramatically. I get surprised when I get one now...and no, we did not give up caffeine...still love the stuff.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:22 PM
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33. I have been a DietCokaholic for about two years..
and I stopped drinking soda three days ago. On the FIRST DAY I noticed a reduction in appetite. I've been drinking water and tea (juice in the AM). Today I've noticed that my stomach bloat is down (I always called it my "baby belly" who knew it was my "Diet Coke" belly?) I am amazed.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:01 PM
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34. This is a great thread.
Learnin' a lot.

I do enjoy a sody pop from time to time, but I am wary of HFCS and also artificial sweetners. There are still some pops made with real sugar. One place that seeks out and sells real sugar-sweetened soda pops is Galco's.

http://www.sodapopstop.com/home.cfm

I've been to their store in Glassel Park, east of LA. Great old sodas you might not have seen in a long time.
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