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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:56 AM
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Is it too late for the USA?
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 09:58 AM by SHRED
Terror attacks are simple to explain. The USA and the Brits have messed with the mideast region for 100 years, overthrowing elected leaders and installing compliant tyrants. Combine that history with a USA populace that is the most ill informed and over entertained society in history, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The United States citizens are lead by slogans because they CHOOSE to remain ignorant. They refuse to look at even a little bit of history.

What I see coming might be described as the "perfect karmic storm", for the USA.
A country founded on genocide and slavery coupled with imperialistic tendencies that have caused massive suffering, torture, environmental devastation, and death, throughout the world for the last 100 years to the present.

I am pessimistic. I think we are screwed.
Hang on for a bumpy ride folks.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:02 AM
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1. On most issues, the best we can do is damage control.
And in that our economy is in such deficit status, there's hardly any money to spend on damage control of all the other issues. Perhaps the best we can hope for is to find a leader who can make peace with our former international allies and inspire the American people to suck it up, face reality and stop the down ward slide of the environment, health care, education, transportation, etc.
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:03 AM
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2. Yes, but...
I agree that we're screwed and in for hard times, but those of us here also have the capacity to think, evolve, stick together, care for each other and our communities, and find solutions to get us through what's coming. We're neither stupid nor weak--we're smart enough to see what's coming, strong enough to get through it, and resourceful enough to create something new from it.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:32 AM
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12. I like your view
It's difficult for me to hold on to it however, but it is a beautiful view!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:06 AM
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3. I'm hoping for a fast-track to the bottom....
so we can start back up. This slow motion train wreck is an excellent tool for learning the errors of our ways, but difficult to stomach.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:07 AM
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4. It's not too late until we're all dead
We may be screwed and we may not. People wake up when they finally get it. No one (rational) would purposely choose to kill all of us. I am not talking about the irrational greedy selfish ones. Those of the human race who are kind are still the majority.

Somehow I think we'll be given enough grace to squeak by. I don't think our fate is sealed, there is still time. Wake up sleeping people, wake up.

:grouphug:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:08 AM
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5. We will survive the current "unpleasantness" but the recovery time
will be on the order of 40 to 60 years.

Not in my lifetime, but I will still fight for it.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:08 AM
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6. The pendulum swings both ways
eventually things will change.
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Beaver Tail Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:16 AM
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7. BUT..BUT...BUT
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 10:20 AM by Beaver Tail
That just can't be so... The MSM tells us so.


Now for a bit of reality

You are absolutely correct in what you say but as the saying goes on those TV commercials that try to sell us stuff… “BUT THERE”S MORE”

Woodrow Wilson - Invaded/intervened in Latin America

Dwight David Eisenhower
Shah of Iran become Leader after Coup (arranged by CIA) of democratically elected government
USA Becomes involved in Vietnam Conflict
Cold War Nuclear Arm's Race

Richard Nixon
Augusto Pinochet becomes leader of Chile after Coup (arranged by CIA) of democratically elected government

Ford
Brought us Rumsfeld and Cheney
Greatly inflated the threat posed by the Soviets

Ronald Regan
Invasion of Central America
Iran-Contra
Support for Mujahideen (Osama bin Laden)
Armed Saddam

Edit Here

But it is never too late. There were many Imperialistic powers in Europe that are not that way anymore. Pick a European country that is currently not Imperialistic, I can almost guarantee you at some point in history there were.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:28 AM
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10. AND...AND...AND...
a vast amount of sheep think that the USA has done too much good around the world already. They do not understand why the world hates us.

They think we spend too much helping and unappreciative world.
That is how deep the brainwashing is.
That is why, IMHO, we are in for a rude awakening.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:27 AM
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40. The arrogance of many people in this
country is unbelievable. USA USA USA. If you don't like it, get the hell out. My hummer kicks ass. I don't care how many countries we have to invade to keep it running. The French are goddamn ungrateful. If it wasn't for us, they'd all be talking German.

So many shitheads...So little critical thinking. We are, indeed, in for a very rude awakening.

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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:12 PM
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29. That's not even half of it.........n/t
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:22 AM
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8. America, We Knew Her Well
Our once great country will be no more then just a memory of good times past. The robber barons have raped her and dismantled her virtues. As we are governed by incompetent corporate criminals and there political butt-puppets who have sold us all out for a plastic bit of nowhere that has increased a dollar more.
Learn to speak Chinese if you are to seek employment in the future. Maybe you can get a job via Chairman Robson Walton who is just one of the many corporate traitors that have pimped our way of life to the East.
civilization as we have known it will be no more. Learn to become tribal in order for your survival. And while you can buy yourself a bicycle.

Study history or the world is a mystery, read or bleed people, learn or burn.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:24 AM
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9. Is it that Americans choose to remain ignorant, or are our schools
failing us all?
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:30 AM
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11. I think both
Seems to me, now that we have the internet, there are no more excuses to remain ignorant.
And we have ALWAYS had library's.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:51 AM
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18. For both to be instructive, knowing how to read is a must.
However, an increasing number of people don't even know how to read (including chimpy?).

Color TVs (mostly stupid entertainment), video games (mostly violent entertainment) have had a role to play in this "tragedy," IMHO.

The impact of the Internet offers a positive change (but sometimes also a negative one, depending on how it is used), but it's still too young a media to measure that effectively.

Its potential for an improved education is real, though. It's just that one needs to know - at least - how to read (and how to use it too).

We'll see...
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:21 AM
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21. good point about reading
Now that I think about it, the people I know who are "interested" in the world are above average in verbal and reading skills.

I blame the schools because that initial interest in the world has to be sparked somehow---maybe by a class discussion or something. Actually, I'd have to blame the parents too, but in many cases, the parents are also victims of bad schools.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:34 AM
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23. Bad history lessons were the norm
I attended elem thru high school in the 60's and early 70's.

I remember building little CA Missions, doing reports on the "Discoverers of the new world", and learning about the Pilgrims.

All of it was bullshit and candy coated lies.
We had a class in High School called "Western Civilization", again, absolute crap.

Somehow I made it past the brainwashing. I am lucky.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:50 AM
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43. My mother stopped wanting to read.
I never see with a book or reading anything but the Bible, Sean Hannity or something concerning ancestry.

Me? I love to read about everything and learn everything. My thirst for knowledge is insatiable.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:48 AM
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42. My family CHOOSES to remain ignorant.
It's very sad. :(
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:51 AM
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44. Willful ignorance plays a huge part, especially among fundamentalists.
I also think that not teaching logic and reasoning skills makes it easier to deceive the masses.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:13 AM
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20. Our schools are a reflection of society.
Noone has to be ignorant. It's a choice.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:55 PM
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26. Blaming schools is a cop-out
People are choosing to be dumb and lazy. Kids are overentertained and rarely want to exert themselves much beyond their wrist muscles using the computer mouse or game controller. If they were tossed outside to play, given much less toys and crap, read to, given the attention they crave, they may turn out like kids of past generations. Namely, intelligent, inventive, curious and hardworking. Let's not blame the schools for the bad job parents are doing. I should know; I deal with the results.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:08 PM
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28. American schools are locally controlled
If they're bad, it's because the local community wants them that way. Dumb communities have dumb schools.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 02:23 PM
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32. That's the truth!
And my district has some of the highest test scores and GPA's around. People move here just to have their kids attend our schools. My community reflects that academic excellence, due no doubt to having one of the finest UC campuses in the state here. Now if only we could do something about the attitudes of the privileged ones! :P
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:19 PM
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30. I'm not so sure...
that the past generations are as ideal as you say. Only the hippies/anti-war movement and maybe the Beatniks could be considered so brilliant.

However, you're right. The generation today (I think the kids behind the present teenagers are much worse) is definitely pretty hopeless. I can say this as a contemporary of it.

Also, the neo-conservative delusions that flood every medium in this country are much to blame.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 02:20 PM
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31. I don't think past gens were "ideal"
but they sure as heck were not so lazy or entitled. I am grateful to my parents for instilling a strong work ethic, honesty and good morals in my sister and I. They have served us well. Not to mention, manners. I can't believe the poor manners of the majority of my students. They take everything that is done for them as their just due just for breathing.

You are 100% correct about the bad influence of the media. To fix this, we have to fix the media. I hope to see things get re-regulated so a handful of people with agenda that suits them but not the general public cannot decide what millions of Americans see.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:36 AM
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13. Lets not try to rewrite history ourselves please
Grant you what we did was terribly wrong but we did not overthrow elected leaders. The Taliban was not elected, They just took over & Husiens regime was kindof like our election in 2000.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:43 AM
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14. "we did not overthrow elected leaders."
Nah...never. CIA?...nah...never.

Bullshit.

:mad:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:50 AM
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17. Yes, but we happily helped them for our corporate interests all the same.
"corporate interests". Amazing how that phrase ends up in so many documents tying in the US assisting those savage despots into power.

Why else do we offshore to COMMUNIST China? CORPORATE INTERESTS.

And China is about to play one hell of a trump card; hey've already shown us their three-of-a-kind by starting their revaluing of their currency.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:07 AM
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19. No limit Hold em. Poker is so much fun.
And away we go!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:05 PM
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27. I agree with what you say
I was meerly pointing out that we always accuse the other side of trying to rewrite history. We should not put ourselves in that sinking boat. And the statement of overthrowing elected Governments is false.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:43 PM
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35.  William769 here you go

Not only have they overthrown elected Governments they've been
Very Busy.

Welcome to DU


Italy
The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works — the communists are defeated.

1949: Radio Free Europe
The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

Late 40’s: Operation MOCKINGBIRD
The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham head the effort. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA's media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA's own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953: Iran
CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.



1954: Guatemala
CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1954-1958: North Vietnam
CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA's continuing failure results in escalating American intervention and finally the Vietnam War.

1956: Hungary
Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev's Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.

1957-1973: Laos
The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos' democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Army Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA's army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959: Haiti
The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961: The Bay of Pigs
The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro's Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion would spark a popular uprising against Castro — which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA's first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Dominican Republic
The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo's business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

Ecuador
The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire)
The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba's politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963: Kennedy Assassination

1963: Dominican Republic
The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right wing junta.

Ecuador
A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

1964: Brazil
A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America's first death squads, or bands of secret police that hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco's political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965: Indonesia
The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic
A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country's elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece
With the CIA's backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.

Congo (Zaire)
A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

1966: The Ramparts Affair
The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire "professors" to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveal that the National Students' Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.

1967: Greece
A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the "reign of the colonels" - backed by the CIA - will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cyprus, Johnson tells him: "Fuck your parliament and your constitution."

Operation PHOENIX
The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 "Viet Cong."

1968: Operation CHAOS
The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

Bolivia
A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1969: Uruguay
The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect," is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis'. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.

1970: Cambodia
The CIA overthrows Prince Sihanouk, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

1971: Bolivia
After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

Haiti
"Papa Doc" Duvalier dies, leaving his 19-year old son "Baby Doc" Duvalier the dictator of Haiti. His son continues his bloody reign with full knowledge of the CIA.

1972: The Case-Zablocki Act
Congress passes an act requiring congressional review of executive agreements. In theory, this should make CIA operations more accountable. In fact, it is only marginally effective.

Cambodia
Congress votes to cut off CIA funds for its secret war in Cambodia.

Watergate Break-in
President Nixon sends in a team of burglars to wiretap Democratic offices at Watergate. The team members have extensive CIA histories, including James McCord, E. Howard Hunt and five of the Cuban burglars. They work for the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP), which does dirty work like disrupting Democratic campaigns and laundering Nixon's illegal campaign contributions. CREEP's activities are funded and organized by another CIA front, the Mullen Company.

1973: Chile
The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America's first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

CIA begins internal investigations
William Colby, the Deputy Director for Operations, orders all CIA personnel to report any and all illegal activities they know about. This information is later reported to Congress.

Watergate Scandal
The CIA's main collaborating newspaper in America, The Washington Post, reports Nixon's crimes long before any other newspaper take up the subject. The two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, make almost no mention of the CIA's many fingerprints all over the scandal. It is later revealed that Woodward was a Naval intelligence briefer to the White House, and knows many important intelligence figures, including General Alexander Haig. His main source, "Deep Throat," is probably one of those.

CIA Director Helms Fired
President Nixon fires CIA Director Richard Helms for failing to help cover up the Watergate scandal. Helms and Nixon have always disliked each other. The new CIA director is William Colby, who is relatively more open to CIA reform.

1974: CHAOS exposed
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh publishes a story about Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance and infiltration of anti-war and civil rights groups in the U.S. The story sparks national outrage.

Angleton fired
Congress holds hearings on the illegal domestic spying efforts of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA's chief of counterintelligence. His efforts included mail-opening campaigns and secret surveillance of war protesters. The hearings result in his dismissal from the CIA.

House clears CIA in Watergate
The House of Representatives clears the CIA of any complicity in Nixon's Watergate break-in.

The Hughes Ryan Act
Congress passes an amendment requiring the president to report non-intelligence CIA operations to the relevant congressional committees in a timely fashion.

1975: Australia
The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

Angola
Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger's assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

"The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence"
Victor Marchetti and John Marks publish this whistle-blowing history of CIA crimes and abuses. Marchetti has spent 14 years in the CIA, eventually becoming an executive assistant to the Deputy Director of Intelligence. Marks has spent five years as an intelligence official in the State Department.

"Inside the Company"
Philip Agee publishes a diary of his life inside the CIA. Agee has worked in covert operations in Latin America during the 60s, and details the crimes in which he took part.

Congress investigates CIA wrongdoing
Public outrage compels Congress to hold hearings on CIA crimes. Senator Frank Church heads the Senate investigation ("The Church Committee"), and Representative Otis Pike heads the House investigation. (Despite a 98 percent incumbency reelection rate, both Church and Pike are defeated in the next elections.) The investigations lead to a number of reforms intended to increase the CIA's accountability to Congress, including the creation of a standing Senate committee on intelligence. However, the reforms prove ineffective, as the Iran/Contra scandal will show. It turns out the CIA can control, deal with or sidestep Congress with ease.

The Rockefeller Commission
In an attempt to reduce the damage done by the Church Committee, President Ford creates the "Rockefeller Commission" to whitewash CIA history and propose toothless reforms. The commission's namesake, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, is himself a major CIA figure. Five of the commission's eight members are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations, a CIA-dominated organization.

1979: Iran
The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious at the CIA's backing of SAVAK, the Shah's bloodthirsty secret police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

Lebanon: CIA Trains Phalangists on how to bomb civilians

El Salvador
An idealistic group of young military officers, repulsed by the massacre of the poor, overthrows the right-wing government. However, the U.S. compels the inexperienced officers to include many of the old guard in key positions in their new government. Soon, things are back to "normal" - the military government is repressing and killing poor civilian protesters. Many of the young military and civilian reformers, finding themselves powerless, resign in disgust.

Nicaragua
Anastasios Samoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Samoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. Remnants of the Guard will become the Contras, who fight a CIA-backed guerilla war against the Sandinista government throughout the 1980s.

1980: El Salvador
The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D'Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

1981: Iran/Contra Begins
The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be "pressured" until "they say 'uncle.'" The CIA's Freedom Fighter's Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder and political assassination.

1983: Honduras
The CIA gives Honduran military officers the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual - 1983, which teaches how to torture people. Honduras' notorious "Battalion 316" then uses these techniques, with the CIA's full knowledge, on thousands of leftist dissidents. At least 184 are murdered.

1984: The Boland Amendment
The last of a series of Boland Amendments is passed. These amendments have reduced CIA aid to the Contras; the last one cuts it off completely. However, CIA Director William Casey is already prepared to "hand off" the operation to Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continues supplying the Contras through the CIA's informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes "humanitarian aid" donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by Iranian arms sales.

1986: Eugene Hasenfus
Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan's claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.

Iran/Contra Scandal
Although the details have long been known, the Iran/Contra scandal finally captures the media's attention in 1986. Congress holds hearings, and several key figures (like Oliver North) lie under oath to protect the intelligence community. CIA Director William Casey dies of brain cancer before Congress can question him. All reforms enacted by Congress after the scandal are purely cosmetic.

Haiti
Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.

1989: Panama
The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA's payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA's knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega's growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington. So out he goes.

1990: Haiti
Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for Aristide's return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as mentally unstable.

1991: The Fall of the Soviet Union
The CIA fails to predict this most important event of the Cold War. This suggests that it has been so busy undermining governments that it hasn't been doing its primary job: gathering and analyzing information. The fall of the Soviet Union also robs the CIA of its reason for existence: fighting communism. This leads some to accuse the CIA of intentionally failing to predict the downfall of the Soviet Union. Curiously, the intelligence community's budget is not significantly reduced after the demise of communism.

1992: Economic Espionage
In the years following the end of the Cold War, the CIA is increasingly used for economic espionage. This involves stealing the technological secrets of competing foreign companies and giving them to American ones. Given the CIA's clear preference for dirty tricks over mere information gathering, the possibility of serious criminal behavior is very great indeed.

1993: Haiti
The chaos in Haiti grows so bad that President Clinton has no choice but to remove the Haitian military dictator, Raoul Cedras, on threat of U.S. invasion. The U.S. occupiers do not arrest Haiti's military leaders for crimes against humanity, but instead ensure their safety and rich retirements. Aristide is returned to power only after being forced to accept an agenda favorable to the country's ruling class.



http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_time.htm
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=history+of+cia+overthrowing+elected+governments&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:03 AM
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38. Great stuff. I think you're even missing some like Torrijos. I bet
...that less than 10% of the country is aware of much of what you post. it would be a rude awakening indeed for the American public if they knew what the rest of the world has experienced at the hands of American empire.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man should be required reading.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:29 AM
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41. Thanks....Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
It's on my must read list.

A former Washington insider who once acted as a pimp in order to get a wealthy Saudi prince to play “economic U.S. hardball” has finally come clean in a tell-all book entitled Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.* But pimping a blonde prostitute is only the beginning of John Perkins’s incredible story.

His startling book, a must-read for anyone who wants to know why America is hated around the world, reveals how foreign governments are intimidated and uncooperative leaders assassinated while the U.S. masquerades as a benevolent benefactor.

For more than 15 years, the former corporate consultant, acting as a third party intermediary between the U.S. and foreign leaders, lived in a dangerous “political underworld” of deceit, bribery, loan sharking and murder while advancing America’s shady foreign policy interests.

snip

In cases where leaders refused to be bribed by U.S. bank rolls, Perkins reminded them of the fate of others like Torrijos of Panama or Roldas of Ecuador, who were either killed or were the victims of a CIA-orchestrated coup.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/confession_economic_hitman.html
Confession Economic Hitman



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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:00 PM
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24. "we did not overthrow elected leaders"? Google Mossadegh.
The Brits and the CIA conspired to overthrow Muhammed Mossadegh the Prime Minister of Iran. It was called "Operation Ajax" and was "successful" in that the Shah of Iran was able to return and set up a repressive dictatorial state that finally led to the Iranian Revolution and the installation of a repressive theocratic state.

The Taliban would never have come to power without the direct aid of the CIA which funded the "Madrassas" which spawned them and Al-Queda.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:04 PM
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25. Exactly
One of many.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:25 PM
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37. read about US Iranian relations
and then check oh the 1950s and then come back to me.. (and that is just one example)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:44 AM
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15. Well whaddya know! The US put Saddam's gov't INTO power:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

Political assassination is a valuable weapon in the covert operative's toolbox. But it is only one tool among many. A successful right-wing covert action not only removes the enemy's head, it replaces the body politic.

The CIA has been organizing regime change for 50 years. They have removed many governments that are unfriendly to US corporate interests and replaced them with regimes that are more likely to work closely and slavishly to carry out the economic and geopolitical desires of the US corporate elite.

But the CIA's crimes don't end when a right-wing coup has succeeded. The CIA then has to keep its repressive despots in power in order to ensure that they can put into place and then maintain a variety of unjust economic systems and structures. This is done with arms sales (and outright gifts of surplus weapons), glowing diplomatic support, intelligence support (sic) and massive economic investment (i.e., pillaging as much profit as possible by exploiting the natural resources that drew them in there in the first place, and handing out some of the spoils to a loyal local elite).


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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:48 AM
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16. And oh look! Looks like the US helped out Osamie Bin Ladle too!
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/madein.htm

From skimming:

The August 24th article quoted above unwittingly betrays the method by which the U.S. government's sponsorship of bin Laden is justified. When the U.S. openly supported bin Laden and friends, they were give a label ("resistance fighters") so they were ok. Now they have been given a new label ("terrorists") and thus they are transformed. The U.S. government is absolved of guilt because the people it supported in the past weren't these terrorists it is bombing today, they were those resistance fighters. Amazing.

(small snip)

Will bin Laden have his label changed back to "resistance fighter" when the U.S. government once more requires his services?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:33 AM
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22. Yes. Next question.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 02:33 PM
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33. No....

Ignorant armies clash by night, sure. But this is not a long night.

Enjoy your defeatism. We needed to recover our humility; the prideful always misunderstand that demand as an existential dilemma.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:43 PM
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34. Its about time Americans got the shaft. We have been handing out the
dirty stick to native Americans, slaves, immmigrants, minorities and most countries on the planet for over 200 years and now it's payback time come around.

We "fought" fascism 60 years ago and now we ARE a fascist nation, but most people still dont understand what that means for them, their families and thier way of life.

But they will; they will indeed, and it wont be pleasant at all.

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:15 PM
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36. It's not looking good at all but there have been other dark times
in Americas not so distant past On a good day I think they may not
succeed with their fascistic plans & most days I'm more realistic & see
how far they've come in a very short amount of time.
The mechanisms to turn America into a police state are all in place The foundation has been laid all the necessary people are in place
almost.
America has been pulled so far to the Hard Right by this group in
power & far to many remain unaware of the danger in this.

When CIA members step forward to warn the American public about the
criminality of b**h's administration you know the time is short & the
shit is very deep.

"there are some extraordinarily real patriotic Americans and good people in the FBI, as has been said by, I believe, Agent Colleen Rowley, one of the FBI whistleblowers’ bosses, that there’s a wall in the FBI, and this has been validated to me by various attorneys in Houston, who are very close to the power bases, and are pretty ticked-off at what’s happening in this country and are speaking out, as are many CIA agents who are very concerned that it has gone too far, as are many NSA agents who are concerned that it’s gone too far, and FBI agents. So we have a lot of people who are speaking out, they’ve kept quiet too long; they’re afraid, they’re afraid of what’s happening to this country. And when I say the Third Reich, what is happening to this country, they say, and I will identify ‘they’ if pressed, they say, will make the Third Reich look like a tea party. I guess we have that many more billion people to control on this planet."

"I’m not sure, even, at this stage whether I want to be involved with anything to do with corporate America or the government, because, look at what’s happening. I’m looking at the people that are being put in place, like Negroponte, Director of Intel, and I’m hearing the inside response to that. I know where he comes from and what his pedigree is politically, and one by one, we’re seeing the handwriting on the wall. And most people are looking for exit strategies, you might say leave the country, go to France, go to Canada, but there are no exit strategies for this. All of this stuff took money to fund. And it was funded through major financial crimes, money laundering and looting. Call it looting, looting of the S&Ls, looting of the banking system, and what, what we’re in the middle of now, which is the looting of Social Security. And this is all being done sys…the looting of HUD, it’s all being done systematically to keep the slush funds up for the game at play.

B.F.: Where do you think this is headed?

I.S.: Not any place good for people. And, it isn’t just going to be America, it’s going to be global.

B.F.: Well, Indira Singh, thank you very much.

I..S.: Thank you, Bonnie."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=142316
Democratic Underground - Part 2 of Indira Singh Interview of Pacifica (Ptech, 9-11, etc)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:09 AM
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39. America--at least as we knew it--is dead and gone.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 12:10 AM by leftofthedial
the coup of 2000 killed it.

Long live Murka, land of the super rich and their servants and the millions of just-don't-know-it-yet walking dead.
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