Pentagon says releasing the abuse photos would cause

[napi21]

wide spread riots across the middle ease, and they are trying to convince a judge to vacate the ruling in the suite made by the ACLU to release those photos.

Now, tell me, what don't I understand here? We admit there was abuse, it was so horrible it will cause riots, and we just want to hide them???

JUst where is this going? What if the judge agrees and says OK, you don't have to release them. Then what? this just goes away>>>

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. they are going for the bottom of the barrel

they have tried Geneva violation the abuse was the violation. Truly they are tying to protect the gang, the riots in the middle east will happen, they are worried about the ones here and having to take a trip to the Hague, and not quite as tourists if you get my drift.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Exactly. There is only one group of people they are protecting, and it is

themselves.

[Talismom]

54. Yeah, right! The administration that was going to bring transparency and

family values back to the white house! :puke:

[raccoon]

82. LOL! This administration is at least as secretive as

the Kremlin during the Cold War.

[madeline_con]

102. Oh, they're transparent all right.

Just not in the right way.

[napi21]

3. Yea, I hear ya, but surely the judge won't just let this go away?

I agree with you on the riots still happening. They've admitted they've done horrible things to the prisoners! Sure, they would probably be worse if the abuse was actually validated with pics, but just the admission is enough to make them happen!

I just can't believe this judge is going to just let this go away!

[SCDem]

64. If the pictures were released

they couldn't blame the riots that will happen on Newsweek.... the blood will publicly be on their hands.

[Bluerthanblue]

74. and the riots wouldn't just be in the 'middle east' they'd be from

shore to shore-

Right here in America- and THAT is what scares the hell out of them- people here get upset when they 'see the proof'- and if the 'compassionate' conservitives were exposed for who they truly are,
all hell will break loose HERE-

(hey i can hope- and believe in the 'goodness of the masses' right?)

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Of course

And I betcha Rummy is telling them to protect the gang's asses and Bush and Cheney are telling Rummy. Whatever it is the buck stops with Bush.

[bribri16]

71. No, they are using the barrel now. n/t

[Erika]

4. What happened to the American government which was

once open instead of the secretive mess W has instituted?

[mcctatas]

9. Well...

now that we are in a war...oops I mean struggle...against terrorism...damn, I meant to say extremism...we have to protect the people from such propoganda...shit there I go again, I mean truth!!:grr:

[RevolutionStartsNow]

5. Bends the mind...

that they can admit that our soldiers have done things so horrible that it would cause widespread riots across the Middle East.

In fact if what I've heard about these images is true, I certainly believe it would cause violent backlash. BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK.
People should be prosecuted, and jailed.

[The Magistrate]

10. That Is An Essential Point, Ma'am

It is an open admission, in open court, of gross violation of the Geneva Accords....

[RevolutionStartsNow]

14. I don't get it...I don't get it...

Why then is there not a huge public outcry?

I don't NEED to see the damn photos if they are already admitting that they contain crimes! Just prosecute the people responsible.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. You might not need to see the photos but I believe it's important

that those not as enlightened need to see them, as a kick in the ass to motivate them to scream for the prosecution of these "Christian" criminals.

[The Magistrate]

99. They Should Certainly Be Released, Ma'am

The proverb that a picture is worth a thousand words is hoary for a reason. There is no doubt that their public release would raise a tremendous clamour of revulsion, in this country as well as abroad. But it is of some importance that the statement above has been made in open court: it is impossible for the government to deny knowledge of what has been done, and doubtless still is being done.

[Fridays Child]

6. What we're doing is so bad that you must help us hide our crimes.

This is considered a sound legal argument? Somebody help me find the door out of Bushworld!

[tavalon]

43. If I could find that door

I would hold it open for all of my fellow DUers. :argh:

[evolved Anarchopunk]

69. its the thought that counts n/t

[wli]

7. The Middle East? What about the Midwest?

I'm sure the "Heartland" would applaud the discovery that their sons and daughters had been sent off to Iraq to gang rape Iraqi boys and chainsaw girls into pieces.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yep, riots in middle America

think about it, we went to war and not quite for the reasons given and our sons and daughters are doing WHAT? Yep they are afraid of the riots HERE

[area51]

28. I'm not so sure.

Too many Americans, apart from DUers, didn't seem to care about the previous torture photos, nor do they care, for instance, that the economy (& healthcare) is in shambles & most of the available jobs are at Mall-Wart. They haven't rioted yet over other things, so I'm not holding my breath that these photos will be some kind of "tipping point" where they actually give a damn what our govt. is doing w/our tax money/in our name.

[nookiemonster]

34. Yup. These Americans tend to have selective outrage.

It's appalling! Hopefully though, if the photos become public, it could be the tipping point. There's just something about children getting raped that has a tendency to make people go apeshit. If people don't respond to this, we're well beyond fucked.

Of course, I'm not holding my breath. Sigh......

[proud2BlibKansan]

91. I disagree

IF these pictures are as horrific as I have heard they are, they will definitely be a tipping point. Not many Average Joes can look at pictures of kids being raped and NOT be shocked and appalled.

[Henny Penny]

92. They have been told that the previous torture was carried out by a few

nasty individuals acting on their own!

Imagine if we could show that it was carried out by people "just obeying orders."

[AlienGirl]

98. I wish I believed Middle America cared

I think, though, that the vast majority of people in this country don't give a rat's ass, as long as it doesn't interfere with sports, the latest reality TV show, or their ability to shop till they drop.

Tucker

[tavalon]

46. Chainsaw?

Please tell me that isn't in the pictures. I know the first one is but I hadn't heard the second one.

[Hubert Flottz]

47. Leatherface was one of the first private contractors sent in!

Because he too was from TEXAS!

EDIT: Bush Sez..."That evil trooper...'Private Contractor' is one BAD APPLE!"

[wli]

78. I saw it recently here on DU

Someone with search capabilities needs to chime in. If it's false I don't want to go around repeating it. (I saw it and wasn't surprised etc. and thought it was just another thing from Hersh.)

[QuettaKid]

60. whoah...wait a minute...what's this about CHAINSAW!?!?

first I am hearing of this.

[petepillow]

68. easy now. is this a substantiated rumor or are you

starting a new one?

[wli]

77. no rumormongering

I saw it elsewhere on DU. I figured the reports were few enough (probably exclusively from Hersh) that what ones there were would be well-known.

ON EDIT: someone with DU search capability needs to help with the fact-checking here. When I googled for Abu Ghraib chainsaw all I got was stuff about the US-sponsored Latin American death squads.

[Kraklen]

90. Doubt that.

They'd probably make up some excuse about how those kids had it coming.

[madeline_con]

104. kid pics, of course...

they have picsof little kids being tortured and sodomized, I'll wager money on it! :mad:

[Al-CIAda]

11. These lying sacks of shit know that it is ALREADY known by Iraqis

Why the hell do you think they kept attacking the prison?

It an excuse, and illogical one at that. And imagine, they're so horrific that they may cause riots, but we didn't do anything against the Geneva convention.

Americans are idiots to be putting up with this.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Link? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

13. From reading the judge's previous statements, I can't imagine this line

of "reasoning" is going to go over too well with him:

Federal Court Orders Government to Release or Identify All Documents Related to Abuse of Detainees in U.S. Custody
by October 15

September 15, 2004

In issuing today’s order, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein sharply criticized the "glacial pace" at which the government has responded to the groups’ request. "Ours is a government of laws, laws duly promulgated and laws duly observed," Judge Hellerstein said in the opening lines of his order. "No one is above the law: not the executive, not the Congress, not the judiciary."

"If the documents are more of an embarrassment than a secret, the public should know of our government’s treatment of individuals captured and held abroad," Judge Hellerstein said.

[annabanana]

53. but is THIS the judge who gets to decide

A) if the government is allowed to KEEP SECRET the reason for the stall and

B) if their excuse holds water?

[wli]

79. why do you think they want to push a Supreme Court nominee so hard?

They'll appeal it all the way up.

[Warren DeMontague]

88. I'm not an expert, but I'm not sure that's how it works.

I think they're stuck with this judge, at least for now.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. And who's fault is that?

[seabeyond]

17. takeit further, the government still wants to be able to implement

torture. so, it is so bad we cant see it and we want to continue to do it.

[ConsAreLiars]

18. The victims of the PNACer's invasion have already seen 100,000

and more corpses and 10 times as many maimed, half of those children. See Robert Fisk's site - http://www.robert-fisk.com/

This is nothing by comparison. The US population, on the other hand, has been lied to by the corporate media with their in-bedded media and glorification of "smart bombs" and such. These photos and videos will have only a minor impact on those who already know the horrors being done in Bush's war, but they will make a big difference to those here who are being kept ignorant. That is the reason they want to keep the evidence of these particular atrocities and the truth they show from coming out in the US media.

[AllyCat]

19. Interesting article in 6/05 Progressive with Robert Fisk

He said the only group of folks upset about Abu Ghraib I was the Americans and some in Europe. The Iraqi people and others in the Middle East were not surprised AT ALL that we were doing this. It was common knowledge among them.

This is just more neo-con crap to try to stop this from coming out by saying something along the lines of "it will hurt the troops". Yeah, like they have ever cared about that before.

[Beam Me Up]

23. Exactly. They don't give a shit about the troups.

The only hides they are interested in protecting are their own.

[Hubert Flottz]

35. Lying to start a war, was not supporting the troops!

Lying to keep that war going, is not supporting the troops!

If the DoD cared about the troops, they'd not use them up to create more wealth for the wealthy.

[AllyCat]

85. Hope I didn't mislead on this post...

Fisk is greatly opposed to this war and our reasons for doing it. On re-reading my post, I think I might have led you to believe that Fisk is the neo-con. Fisk feels that the Iraqis and other Middle Easterners already think we are slime and were not shocked by the Abu Ghraib scandal the first time around: they'd already heard about it, knew people subject to it, and already believed we were capable of this kind of behavior.

He said it's the Americans that were upset, yet the neo-cons are trying to paint it that we are enraging the Iraqis by showing the pictures and thus, "endangering the troops".

It's an interesting article and he really slams the corpomedia for their complete inability and unwillingness to actually report what's happening. He said given the state of things there, it would be impossible to accurately report and they all sit inside the Green Zone making stuff up and spewing the party line so they don't get their heads blown off.

[cynatnite]

20. I thought they already tried this argument n/t

[jsamuel]

21. They are defying the courts, and it shouldn't be taken lightly

[Hissyspit]

22. kick

[Disturbed]

24. "No one is above the law:

not the executive, not the Congress, not the judiciary."

The Bush Regime does not buy that concept. The believe that the Prez. is the Law.

[Talismom]

55. That's right, and once they've appointed enough federalist judges

they will be above the laws that they implement for their underclass--the rest of us!

[Judi Lynn]

25. Someone posted illustrations made based on testimony already on the record

and posted them last week. That's very effective. Why shouldn't it be amplified, with TONS of illustrations being published carefully following testimony already available to the public, since most people don't feel they really have the time to read much anymore (this is a real score for the right-wing, if the public can't be moved to inform itself!). Putting easily understood illustrations right in front of their faces could get the job done explaining what _Bush's administration has officially introduced to the U.S. military prison system as S.O.P., and not likely to retract.

[B Calm]

26. Sounds like they are admitting that Bush's war on terror

will create more terror if these pictures get out...

[CWebster]

27. God forbid if the world had seen the camps....

We didn't know....We were only following orders....

[booksenkatz]

29. Gee, I'm so glad they care about the safety of M.E. citizens! *puke* NT

[ObaMania]

30. .

>>Now, tell me, what don't I understand here? We admit there was abuse, it was so horrible it will cause riots, and we just want to hide them???

And not prosecute the offenders.

You can't tell me that Grainer and that WV gal are the ones who did it all.

[B Calm]

31. They are afraid.. Sounds like the terrorists are winning..!

[unhappycamper]

32. ..

http://i3.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/y69/KenInBoston/savedfromweb/mutherland.jpg

[Burried News]

65. Now that's what I consider a positive attitude.

And if flags can't do it, use a Vilsack. Shit can be burried - if you have a positive attitude.

[mopaul]

33. we should only concentrate on the happy, positive side of abu ghraib

and as long as the arab world doesn't see them, they'll just love us to death.

[CWebster]

39. LOL

you're sick.

[Burried News]

66. Attitude is everything.

Hell if the extremists had the right attitude our boyz wouldn't be doing this kinda stuff - well, not that I think any of this is true mindya.:sarcasm:

[Vinca]

36. When is the judge supposed to rule on this? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

111. August 15 is the next date to watch. nt

[Solly Mack]

37. Remember, the Bush Administration gave immunity to commanders and

military interrogators at Gitmo. No doubt he extended that immunity to Iraq.

Those new pictures show more faces than just the faces and names we know.

The Bush Administrations guilt is clear. They'll fight tooth and nail to prevent those pictures from being shown.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050728/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_1

"Citing newly disclosed documents, the Times said in its Thursday editions that despite the protests, the (presidential) task force concluded that military interrogators and their commanders would be immune from prosecution for torture under federal and international law. The reason was the special character of the fight against terrorism."

[Hubert Flottz]

38. "Why do people ALWAYS want to dwell on the bad shit?"

"Why not show all those 'wonderful pictures' of the 'rose petal' covered streets in Iraq?"

I hope there are a few judges left in America with the guts to defend the country from tyrants. Just a handful of real Americans?

[mopaul]

41. they should show little Ali's shiny new Prosthetic Arms!

or how we graciously select a few iraqi orphans and give them facial reconstructive surgery at no cost after blowing their entire families away.

[Hubert Flottz]

42. Because We're COMPASSIONATE!

"WE are so God Damned COMPASSIONATE, that we should not be held responsible for our war crimes!"

"It's The Ownership Thing We're Talking About...We Own Them So, We'll Do Whatever We Want, To Them!"

"MORALITY" was the Issue The GOP won the 04 election on so why can't the world see the result of that GOP "MORALITY"?

"If Saddam Has NOTHING TO HIDE, then WHY IS HE HIDING THINGS?" George Dumbya Bush 2002

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

40. Wonderful point! Kicked and recommended!

[mtnester]

44. BS, they are not worried about the reaction of BROWN people

what they are WORRIED about is the reaction of middle america.

[Solly Mack]

45. Precisely

because middle America will then (finally) know what we know...Bush is a war criminal.

[Talismom]

57. Clearly, their goal from the begining was to keep us in the dark--

remember, no photographing of flag-draped coffins--I yearn for the day when the majority of the people can see it clearly. That's when the neocons have to run for their lives, because they will be lynched!

[tavalon]

48. Yep

They don't give a fuck about how pissed off the M.E. gets about this, they don't want Murkins to remember what they did/are doing in their name.

[ProfessorGAC]

50. Perhaps NOT Abusing Prisoners Is The Solution?

Just sayin'. If there's no abuse, there'd be no pictures. Right?
The Professor

[mopaul]

51. no, the torture is o.k., it's the pornographic photos that are the problem

and letting we the people see what our tax dollars are going for.

[Hubert Flottz]

52. What else could you expect out of a band of cowards and

draft dodgers?

Once a yellow wimp, always a yellow wimp!

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Well, You Have, Of Course, Nailed Down Their Thought Process

But, a true solution to preventing unrest and riots in the middle east is to do nothing that would provide photographs to make people go beserk. Of course, they wouldn't think deeply enough to realize that eliminating the actual root cause problem would be the best solution.
The Professor

[1democracy]

72. Torture must stop...

You are absolutely right. However, people who want to have absolute power cannot admit they're wrong and cannot do anything to abbreviate their power, such as begin telling the truth and prohibiting atrocities.

What's fascinating is the refusal to bend to anyone other then their own whims. They wish to instill fear in all others. That is not democracy. Democracy places power in the people, and leaders are servants to the people, not oligarchs above the law.

Although it's terrible to watch such necrophylic leaders self-destruct, that is what must happen and will happen when the truth is known as it is seeping out every day. (The reality is they worship death-- it is up to us to notice the stench that has always been there!)The truth will out! I just hope the institutions of this country are strong enough to withstand such a brutal assault by this administration and resolution will come peacefully.

[ProfessorGAC]

76. Fear Is Preferable To Respect

That's the motto of these goons. They don't care to be respected as long as they're feared.

Pretty disturbing.
The Professor

[Mandate My Ass]

73. maybe they should up the rations of lemon chicken & fruit

there's nothing like a delicious meal after being raped and tortured by invaders that puts everything right again. :eyes:

[Donailin]

56. Well, there's something to be said for their argument

because if those videos and pictures are as horrible as I have read, a lot of Muslims WILL go ballistic. Innocent people may very well be victims, again, of acts of violence committed out of frustration, hate and fear.

Having said that, the American people, who are the ones who DO need to see what the "best country in the world" is capable of, need a wakeup call so that we can get the hell out of Iraq.

But what case scenario will be more likely? The first, I fear, but not the second.

[PATRICK]

59. Newsweek set up

You pay for every bending over to this regime's propaganda. This way they signal they will blame the media- again- for the release of the photos and the effects rather than the perps and policy.

This will intimidate the US media and isolate the foreign media and audience should the release be inevitable. it definitely will mitigate any use of the photos here at home where it might wake another chunk of the brainwashed up and let the ME stew in its own wrath as usual. Damage control will enable the policy makers to avoid more responsibility. They already have risen to great rewards in the very midst of the factual revelations and might have a lot of confidence in continuing to do so whatever their PR "discomfort" might become- if they weren't such guilty cowards.

[wli]

83. they'll blame bittorrent and the internet when they leak anyway

Nothing to do with those who committed the acts on the tapes and in the photos, of course.

[Burried News]

61. Is it riots in the Middle East or Marches here at home they fear.

Isn't the goal in the Middle East to get "them" to come out and fight so that we can fight them over there and not have to fight "them" over here?
Worried about demonstrations - end the abuse. Problem solved.

It occurs to me that if we had taken the promised action after the first photos we would be in a better position with regard to the second photos. Great job Senator Warner. Bury Taguba's Report. Bury the intel.
Bury the Republic.

[Burried News]

62. Yes we simply must protect the people from themselves.

The mantra of every aristocrat that ever lived.
The GOP has made such a mess that the professional politicians of all stripes have to close ranks behind them. Time to Bury the Constitutional Crisis that Rove helped Birth too isn't it you useless weasels.
Use an intel committee to bury intelligence.
Use an intel committee to slander public servant.
Use an intel committee to perpetrate a WMD fraud.
Use a Sen Armed Svcs Committee to give Rumsfeld a pass.
Use a Sen Armed Svcs Committee to hide evidence of torture.
A legislature corrupted ...
And now a crisis so big no choice but to close ranks and protect.

[CWebster]

63. Or they will release them almost totally blacked out

for national security.

[johannes1984]

67. Someone needs to do something about this

when Maher appeared on the tonight show , and he spoke about the anal rape one of the deeply christian fellows at the FDA had tried on his wife , you could clearly see they didn't want to hear it .Everyone just squeeled uncomfortoble at hearing what a shit for brains leadership they had , gladly forgetting about it when mr Leno turned to airlines .

These pictures are the identical same thing .The administration can pull this BS of in front of that judge for one single reason , most of the populace would rather burry their head in the sand and not care .It's what happened in Bosnia Hertzegovina , no one believed muslims had been terminated ,....untill they saw the goddamn tape that was , teenagers getting shot in the back really makes one go ape-shit indeed , as so eloquently stated in a previous message .

This could be slightly improved by a little media manouvre of our own , explaining how Saddam was a monster ,or some other super villain ,.....and then continuing onward to the try at hiding information about DoD crimes ....it must however be done in such a way they don't look away quite yet ... , you attract the target to the bliss lightbulb and then you ,as out of nowhere slowly confront them with a reality they would be too glad to deny .


goddamn those people are dim witted ....if i might dare to ask ....has a dem raised this issue in one of the houses yet?


well I'm going to take deep breaths for a few moments now , making sure i don't go ape shit at the disgrace they have brought upon my age .

[Mandate My Ass]

70. true to form, they've changed the rationale midstream

first they refused to release them because it would cause the victims further shame and humiliation...now to stop rioting. They ooze just like slime does.

And all the while, Bush is pushing Congress to expand his power, unaccountability and secrecy and to keep torture as a tool in the war on terror, or struggle against extremism or whatever they're calling it these days.

[tocqueville]

75. make a "documentary" based on confirmed released material

use actors and a relevant background. Say that's it's a reconstruction made as accurate as possible.

then release it on the Internet, theaters etc...

Costa Gavras did that once about Algeria, the impact was so tremendous that the movie was forbidden in France.

a job for M.Moore ?

[frictionlessO]

81. That is a brilliant idea! Holy hell, I'd buy copies for every 'pub I knew!

Seriously, if anyone has the where with all to do it I really wish they would.

[maxrandb]

80. In Other Breaking News

"Hitler blocks release of Concentration Camp photos. Says it will result in widespread riots throughout the world."

"Judges Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts back Hitler's position."

Are we proud to be Americans yet?

Is it fascism yet?

What they really mean is that the "release of these photos and video will result in Bush's poll numbers hitting the single digits". Still have lots of corporate graft to pass out before he tanks completely.

If DEMS had any balls, they would shut down the government until these pictures are released. What are we afraid of?

Send them to the MPAA and have them slap an NC-17 rating on them. It can't be as bad as watching Jesus get the shit kicked out of him for 2.5 hours.

[redqueen]

86. Once again I wish we could nominate posts...

:kick:

[bobbieinok]

89. sounds like Scalia's 'reason' for stopping the FL count in Dec 2000

not recount....many ballots had not been counted once

Scalia said in effect that 'counting the ballots might cast doubt on Bush's win'

that was such an incredible statement.....out in plain sight for everyone to see .... counting ballots will show W did NOT win

[bunny planet]

84. News Flash, Rummy, the rest of the world, including the Middle East,

has already seen these pictures, and if not these particular ones, then they've seen worse, pictures of dead babies and screaming mothers everyday. They already know. They are already inflamed. It might actually help if the real criminals who ordered these atrocities were punished but you know that don't you? You don't want the American people to see the pictures because you are desperately trying to cover your own ass. The American people need to wake up, and see what this administration's policies have wrought on the rest of the world in our name.

[Kurovski]

87. The Middle-East already knows more about the abuses than

Americans do.

It is better to have out with it so the Middle-East can see that America is against such abuse, that in a Democracy we protest and demand that these abuses end.

That will do more to help in protecting us than any plan the Neo-cons have. Of course, the truth blows those criminals out of the water and they will fight it tooth and nail.

[Disturbed]

93. The silence from Dems in Congres is

impressive. They knew about these photos and videos months ago.

[loudsue]

97. There are no "dems" in congress....

Just a bunch of whores, bending over. Dems, rape-pukes... they're ALL doing the "we can't let the LITTLE PEOPLE know what's going on" dance.

They're all either bought-n-sold, or they're blackmailed. There hasn't been a decent piece of legislation in our legislative branch in decades. NOTHING that supports WE, THE PEOPLE. It's time to clean out the entire "inside the beltway" crowd, and start over.

Except for Boxer & Conyers & Kucinich & McKinney, and a couple of others, our government is TOTALLY VOID of anyone with integrity. They all need new jobs, and we need to get the phucking MAFIA out of our government.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Warren DeMontague]

94. 'Kay, folks. August 15th is the next date to watch on this:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18842&c=280

A hearing has been scheduled in federal court in New York for August 15 to address two issues: whether the public has been improperly denied access to information as a result of the government's redacted briefs, and whether the government should be compelled to release photographs of abuse at Abu Ghraib.

[Tigress DEM]

95. What they need to do is make the changes needed....

prior to releasing the tapes. If they are so concerned about how it will "make America look" to have been involved in this, then they should go and set up reparations and show the rest of the world that "we get it" that this was wrong, has to be stopped and is being dealt with." Nothing short of "doing the right thing" is going to mean a damm whether the pictures are shown or not.

[Warren DeMontague]

103. How about this: Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney all RESIGN

Taking full responsibility, not only for the behavior and conditions which allowed it to flourish, but for the entire ball of wax; i.e. an invasion and a war based on deliberate lies...

That's ONE way to mitigate the anger over the images and prove we-- as Americans and decent human beings--- take the abuse seriously.

[Tigress DEM]

108. Throw in Rove and Gonzales and you've got MY vote!

I had a dream about a Constitutional Convention last night where we as a citizenry decided ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We took the Conyer's report and the evidence from the attempted sanction trial and determined that the election was illegal.

Further, that the proper due process filings were ignored and made up a Citizen's Over-site Branch of the government to correct that and stripped B*** of his position, Cheney too and undid all the appointments. Put Kerry in and told him to get to work.

Then we examined the treason in his war based on lies, got cooperation from FBI and CIA to get full evidence of legal and ethical breaches. Then we sent these war criminals to the Hague to stand trial BEFORE releasing the tapes.

We also gathered information about high dollar abuse of power and gave the IRS authority to look at that 1% and fully seize anyone who was either evading taxes illegally or profiting from the war through illegal activities that were not coming to light due to the administration hiding their information.

We hit the oil companies with a $ .25 per gallon war tax - that they were NOT allowed to pass on to the general population, retrospectively so our financial coffers were full.

We put the Stock Exchange on hold while the war profiteer companies were quickly stripped of money and assets, gave their workers fair compensation packages and non-complicit stock holders were paid out the market value prior to Stock closure. Those companies were removed from the Exchange prior to reopening.

We determined that FOX News - being owned by a relative of B*** had committed grave crimes against the fourth estate and we confiscated it as a public network. Renamed it the AFT Network - Americans For Transparency Network.

[PurityOfEssence]

96. Yer either with us or against us

If you don't like raping young boys in front of their mothers, then you're an enemy of freedom.

This is organized crime. Never question the family.

[Greeby]

100. Hmm

When they say Middle East, they mean Middle East of the United States.

They're not hiding these for they're afraid of the reaction of the muslim world, they already know about it. They're keeping this hidden, because they know this is one thing the sheeple would not tolerate

[madeline_con]

101. they have b.j. pics...

and the "insurgents" will storm the jails and kill more troops.

[bvar22]

105. Why doesn't the librul media report any of the good news....

Why doesn't the librul media report any of the good news coming out of the Rape Rooms and Torture Cells!!!!
The librul Media just wants to focus on the bad!

Bush* lied again.
The Rape Rooms and Torture Cells haven't been closed at all.
They are just under New Republican Party management!

[wickerwoman]

106. I think that ship sailed when we tortured people and f*in photographed it.

Don't you?

[Warren DeMontague]

107. They're really nailing that Newsweek thing as an excuse.

I think the four redacted declarations the government just put out are worth taking a good, long look at; it's my hunch there may be some clues in there, even though these only contain the part they aren't censoring, as to what kind of stuff these images and videos contain...

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18842&c=280

[Jose Diablo]

109. What will June Cleaver say

when the photos come-out? THAT is what they are afraid of.

When mom finds out, they are done.

[dogday]

110. It is time for the American and Iraqi People

to see the atrocities of this war and the actions of torture among the soldiers. If they deny the pictures, then request the resignation of one Donald Rumsfield and force his highness to fire his sorry ass.......