My conservative African American neighbor likes Howard Dean.

[Robin Hood]

I had my next door neighbor over for cocktails yesterday afternoon. I was serving up my *Russian Winters. It was me, my wife and Mrs B, that's what we'll call her.

After a few cocktails we discussed the dem debates of the previous day. To my surprise not only did she watch the entire two hours but also came away liking Dean. She said that she likes his ideas and passion. BTW, She is a senior citizen.

This completely blew me out of the water because her politics are usually very conservative. This is only one person, but it sort of helped me to overcome my anxiety about Dean's appeal to the African American community, and conservatives.

What is strange is I thought that Sharpton kicked ass in those debates and she thought that Dean did well. Huh, go figure.


*Russian Winter.
2 OZ Vodka
2 OZ Ruby red Grapefruit
1 OZ Cranberry juice
Shake well in a shaker
pour into a chilled, sugar rimmed cocktail(martini)glass.

Enjoy and drink responsibly.

[quinnox]

1. Yea, I guess this means all the blacks will

go for Dean. Come on, everyone knows Dean's support is mostly white and internet enabled middle class, with some from youth as well.

[Robin Hood]

2. Did you read the whole post?

Start what you finish. I said that this is only one person, but it is encouraging.

[quinnox]

7. Ok, fine, Dean will attract all the black conservative

vote, whatever the Dean supporters want to believe.

[Robin Hood]

8. Did I say that I was a Dean supporter?

All I posted is my observation of my little part of the trench war. A snap shot, but certainly not the whole. I never said that it was a representation of the whole. All I said is that it was encouraging.

[tsipple]

64. My Duty to Bear: "Feed the Goal, Not the Trolls"

A lot of anger. A lot of shouting. A lot of overheated rhetoric in this thread.

Enough. It's time to feed the goal and chase those trolls away. Enter the zone of logic, reason, excitement, and positive persuasion. Elevate DU to a higher level. Feed the goal.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

70. "trolls for Dean"

I have to admit, you guys are clever!

[eileen_d]

3. Geez, that wasn't very nice

It's an anecdote - chill out.

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[Crembulet]

6. Just applying

the Harry Belafonte approach to politics again.

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[Crembulet]

12. So are double standards

mandatory at this forum?

[bpilgrim]

11. that is the simplistic, dogmatic way to view the world...

not much of that here on DU though and certainly not by HB.

:hi:

peace

[Robin Hood]

14. Ignore him Pilgrim,

It's pissed that they lost yet another voter.

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[Crembulet]

19. And why

does not loving Dean mean I have to be a Republican?

[XanaDUer]

24. I don't love Dean and I'm not Republican...

but I kinda have a place in my heart for Che.

[alcuno]

13. Actually, you contradict yourself; you're not applying Belafonte's

reasoning.

[Crembulet]

23. Don't you think

its about time the Democrats allow an African-American to be president?

[w13rd0]

37. Yes, maybe it is...

...but how are we going to get the Republicans to not vote?

[noiretextatique]

65. LMAO...too funny eom

[alcuno]

66. You have the logic of a gnat.

All over the place and irritating. Please try and take a position and argue it if you can. Skipping from idea to idea is not the sign of well-crafted thought process.

[liberalmuse]

15. You know, I have to second that...

READ THE FUCKING POST FER CHRISSAKES!!! You sound like a wingnut, putting words into people's mouths. There is simply NO EXCUSE for this kind of rudeness. :(

On edit: I'm talking about the rude reponse to the orignal post, btw. There was no call for that.

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[gully]

56. And your point is???

http://www.africanamericansfordean.com/AA/dean-vs-bush.htm

[alcuno]

10. I live and work in a community that is about 30% African-American

Sharpton and Braun are considered non-players. I believe that most African-Americans have the ability to recognize a con like our current president. Dean's forthright attitude (and occasional beligerence) are appreciated.

[Robin Hood]

17. You are right.

It's not about race but rather it's about the issues. This Admin does not address their issues.

[Cha]

20. As someone on this Board once said..."Anger is a gift".

:grr:

[Robin Hood]

22. Amen Bro...

Rally round the family.

[Cha]

16. Well...I enjoyed your personal anecdote regarding the debates.

And, of course, I love to hear about the People who find that Dean appeals to them. There is certainly a cross section of them.

I'm going to my 2nd meetup on Wed. and it will be in a larger place, in New York,to accommodate the ever rising amount who at least want to investigate Dean further. I'm looking forward to seeing how many different kinds of People there are. That's what I get a kick out of ..the "across the board spectrum" of a beautiful Garden Variety! Spice of Life!

[Robin Hood]

26. I'm glad it inspired.

She inspired me as well. Actually, my jaw dropped when she said it, I didn't expect it from her. I had to look at her closely to make sure that it was her that I was getting drunk with.

I''m gonna check out some of those meet-ups.

[Upfront]

29. Me to.

Most people with a brain, that is put to use, will like Dean. It dosn't matter what color they are.

[slor]

25. I am African American and...

I am torn between Howard Dean, whom I have supported since jan, and W.Clark. I am also disgusted with the concept that any African American could be a conservative ( I know a few myself). Just my 2 cents.

[Robin Hood]

30. I wouldn't worry,

It will probably be a Clark/Dean, Dean/Clark ticket.

I don't understand that phenomenon myself, I always suspected that it was for religious reasons, I don't know.

[spooky3]

31. I'm a woman and I feel bad about conservative women too.

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[Robin Hood]

32. OMG!! An absolute mistake.

When he gets pissed and takes no guff. He is standing up for me. He is saying what i want to say. If he doesn't, who will?

[spooky3]

38. I like him, and have sent him $, but

there is a time for righteous anger (like when you've been the subject of the Starr report, for example). I wish Dean would not get so angry when someone has raised a legitimate question about past versus present positions, for example. He would be much more effective if he would stay cool and respond with facts, or explain the situation. It's really hard to do, but I think he would win over more people if he could do it.

[Crembulet]

33. Calling me a troll

isn't rudeness? You gotta learn to lighten up. You must have had a cardiac arrest after the 2002 elections.

[eileen_d]

34. It's ironic, isn't it

considering how civil each and every one of your posts has been

[Crembulet]

35. Oh sorry

should I compose a haiku to John Kerry or something?

[eileen_d]

39. That's not a bad idea.

I'm looking forward to it.

[Crembulet]

42. You got it

John Kerry is nice

Massachutsetts Senator

Voted for Bush War

[eileen_d]

43. OK, now do Edwards. n/t

[XanaDUer]

46. Form B-

but content, F.

There is not one person in the senate who voted for the Bush war.

The October Resolution has absolutley no bearing on what Bush did. He was required to go to the UN, exhaust all diplomatic means, or prove imminent threat to the US in order to use force.

Find the word "war" anyplace in the resolution referring to what Congress was telling Bush in that document.

[Crembulet]

48. Facilitating is facilitating

Using force was allowed.

[eileen_d]

50. Don't change the subject.

Do a haiku on Edwards, dammit!

[Crembulet]

53. By popular demand

Southern John Edwards

Repeat of Clinton's success?

Do not bet on it

[eileen_d]

54. Thank you. Now try Donald Rumsfeld.

This is the "advanced" round

Edit: crap, tombstoned. I was enjoying that...

[Julien Sorel]

63. Here:

He stands at the podium

A sudden turn, the light reflects:

Blinded by the glare.

[XanaDUer]

40. Please DO!

I love Kerry.

Make it sweet, though.

[Robin Hood]

41. It would be better than the haiku to trent lott that you've been writing.

P.S. it's 2003, live with it.

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[Robin Hood]

36. lol...

[rjx]

44. Dean Dean Dean Dean

Boo Yeah!

[slor]

47. I think that...

the whole Dean "anger" attribute is part of a media/bush love-fest distortion scheme. I have seen anger that is all-consuming and he does not suffer from it. He is simply a man that can't stand to see an idiot in the the most powerful position in the world. His supposed anger pales when juxtaposed to mine!

[Cha]

51. Exactamundo, slor!

MOst People thought Dean handled the geppy stabs, well! Of course, donna brazile, who IMO has an agenda, thought Dean needed "to control his anger"...

And it's working with some people because I have had to counteract the "Dean gets too angry" from some who just get the soundbites from cnn or wherever. I just tell them that we need someone who is properly pissed and motivated to scrub bush. And they go..yeah! :)

[gully]

59. "His supposed anger pales when juxtaposed to mine!"

Here here!!!

[Ellen Forradalom]

49. How many of those candies are spitbacks?

You know, you take a little bite off a candy, make a face and put it back?

[Robin Hood]

52. None,

They're all so good that you can't pick just one.

[gully]

55. That's great Liberal Guerilla. The drink sounds good too! Have you seen

these sites?

Go DEAN!

http://www.africanamericansfordean.com/AA/

http://blacksfordean.com/

[Robin Hood]

57. Wow, kewl..

Great sites, I will e-mail her these sites, thanks.

Enjoy the drink.

[gully]

61. Thanks!!!

will do!

;)

[SuffragetteSal]

58. great links!

thanks Gully, you are A-ok in my book. :)

[gully]

60. Aw shucks!

Thanks guys! Off to try my new 'drink' as per Liberal Guerillas recipe!

And don't forget.....

GO DEAN! :toast:

[Cha]

62. And don't forget to come back!

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[Robin Hood]

67. All right!!

I hope you like it. No complaints so far.

Cheers.

[Atlant]

68. Dean attracts a very broad range of voters. That's why he's...

Dean attracts a very broad range of voters. That's why he's
going to be the eventual Democratic nominee, and from there,
he's going to go on to personally kick Shrub's ass all the way
back to Crawford!

Thanks for the good news!

Atlant

[CMT]

69. It was a good debate for Dean

and Sharpton is good. He is a conciliator and he has some perceptive and snappy comments to make, but perhaps she also thought that Dean has more of a record behind him that makes him more attractive.