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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 05:48 PM Original message |
Hydrogen fuel dangerous? |
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Another Bill C. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. The product of hydrogen combustion |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. If Hydrogen is a fuel in an internal combustion engine wouldnt it use air |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 09:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. But we're not talking about internal combustion |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. The danger is that it's quite flammable in the presence of oxygen |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I've heard that the tanks |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. That's true |
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punpirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 03:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
40. This is true... but with a cost. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Nightline did a show on hydorgen fuel a few weeks ago |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Hydrogen fires are not as dangerous |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 11:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Hindenburg had an aluminium frame... |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Thanks for the correction |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 09:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. gasoline's flammable too ... |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. An excellent reference |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Thanks a heap! |
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karlschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes, water is the main combustion product, although there will be small |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. It i in the production of hydrogen that the environment is hurt - maybe |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. By using ethanol feedstock from hemp the hydrogen economy could work. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I agree - but when does a corporation move on this? |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Hemp for hydrogen source |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Of course you will still need energy to manufacture hydrogen |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Good Point |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. "next generation nuclear reactors" |
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im4edwards (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 08:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
42. not Detroit totally stopping this |
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Maple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. Here's a hint |
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Tims (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. Fuel Cell Info |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Well said - I agree - it appears to be an oil backed joke to stop |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It's not black and white |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Woah --- wait a minute |
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Tims (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 12:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. 10000 PSI |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Believe it or not, 10000 psi works! |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. *ding* |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I basically agree with your analysis of fuel cells, but I live in the |
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Tims (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 12:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Higher Boiling Point |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. The problem with Hydrogen |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 08:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Of course |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 09:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Good point |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 11:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. This is the main problem |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 11:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. bigtree not all nuclear power is evil... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 12:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. more nuclear energy means more radioactive fuel |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Not necessarily |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 11:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Sounds like you know your stuff.... |
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Tims (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 12:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Busses aren't cars |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. You are making very good points... |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
15. Hydrogen "fuel" |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
18. water vapour |
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WaterDog (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-03 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
34. The problem is |
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Waistdeep (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 12:36 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. This has been debunked |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
38. WaistDeep is right |
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Adjoran (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
39. Several points |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
41. I didn't see anyone in the thread mention that the only easy source of |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Actually, water is an expensive source of hydrogen |
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Tims (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. It's not an easy source |
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RandomUser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-03 01:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Hydrogen source is not the same as Energy source |
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