Clark prasing Bush on video...not a dupe

[imax2268]

I just have to say that I'm sick of trying to watch the news and they show that video of Clark praising BushCo...he was a military man and he would have been in deep doo-doo if he spoke out against BushCo...

Well...times change and people change...

I wish they would show when Chimpy was debating with Gore before his "hijacking of the oval office"...where he said that he wouldn't nation build, and that he wouldn't use the military as police of the world...that he would only use military force as a last resort...let's see those video's of him flat out LIEING to the American people...

Where's those video's...where's all the shit that he said he was going to do and has since changed his mind...

man that makes me angry...they go after all our candidates with smearing stories...when the biggest story of corruption and deciet is going on right in front of their faces...

Does anyone know where I can get those transcripts from the debates between Chimpy and Gore...?

[greyl]

1. I saw a tape of him saying it.

Must have been on PBS, because I don't have cable.

edit: posted to quickly.

[roughsatori]

2. That tape will make some attack ad

They will show Clark praising the Bush team 2 years ago--and then show a clip of his new opinions. Then they will show a waffle.

[MIMStigator]

6. won't work because....

90% used to approve of chimpco, now it's in the 40's. They'll relate to Clark

[Renew Deal]

7. We can play the waffle game.

wafflepoweredhoward.com

[w4rma]

10. Thanks for playing

:eyes:

Clark Says He Would Have Voted for War
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General Clark said that he would have advised members of Congress to support the authorization of war but that he thought it should have had a provision requiring President Bush to return to Congress before actually invading. Democrats sought that provision without success.

"At the time, I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a question," General Clark said.

A moment later, he said: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position — on balance, I probably would have voted for it."
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"I want to clarify — we're moving quickly here," Ms. Jacoby said. "You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

"Right," General Clark responded. "Exactly."

General Clark said he saw his position on the war as closer to that of members of Congress who supported the resolution — Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri and Senators Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, John Kerry of Massachusetts and John Edwards of North Carolina — than that of Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor who has been the leading antiwar candidate in the race.

Still, asked about Dr. Dean's criticism of the war, General Clark responded: "I think he's right. That in retrospect we should never have gone in there. I didn't want to go in there either. But on the other hand, he wasn't inside the bubble of those who were exposed to the information."
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/19/politics/campaigns/19CLAR.html

Clark Explains Statement on Authorization for Iraq War
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"I never would have voted for war," he said here this afternoon in an interview and in response to a question after a lecture at the University of Iowa. "What I would have voted for is leverage. Leverage for the United States to avoid a war. That's what we needed to avoid a war."

Speaking about the resolution on Thursday, General Clark said, "At the time, I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a question."

He then added: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways, because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position. On balance, I probably would have voted for it."
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About Iraq, he said "There was never an imminent threat," and called the war "a major blunder."

"We're not the sort of `you're with us or against' kind of people," he said.

"We're a come-and-join-with-us kind of people," he told a crowd of 1,000 in the main lounge of the Iowa Memorial Union. "Americans know in their hearts that you don't make our country safer by erecting walls to keep others out. You make us safer by building bridges to reach out.

"We also have to recognize that force should be used only as a last resort, when all other means have failed."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/20/politics/campaigns/20CLAR.html

Clark on whether he'd have voted on the IWR and Dean's response
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=401401

[Renew Deal]

13. Not a waffle and you know it.

I guess you like sound bites. Here's one:

From Dean:

"I absolutely agree we need to reduce the - I mean, to increase the retirement age."

What's Dean's opinion now?

[Wonk]

20. Dueling sound bites. Here's another, speaking of waffles...

"I'm pro-life -- excuse me, I'm pro-abortion rights." - Clark, 8/1/03

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/01/cf.00.html

[bearfartinthewoods]

14. the ad writes itself

"it's a good team...we need them there"

just shoot me now cause i don't wanna watch....

[Brucey]

3. I don't know where to get them, but I hope the Dems use them

in the 2004 campaign. Chimp said lots of things that he didn't come through on. We know his response: 9-11 changed everything; and the Dems better have a counter to that. Best to use inoculation: warn the public about what Chimp will say and tell them why what he will say is wrong. Works like a charm!

[Deja Q]

4. Kick!

I hope somebody does know because it needs to be broadcast all over the world!

[imax2268]

5. Thanks for the Kick...

I hope so to...

I'm getting tired of hearing that..."everything changed on 9/11"...no disrespect towards the vitims or the famalies...but I think that one's been ridden for tooooooo long now...

I agreed that we should have went after Osama...but Iraq is basically everything he said that he wouldn't do...and he did...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. I so agree

9-11 was a tragedy but I don't see how it changed anything fundamental in the world any more than the Reichstag Fire of 1933 fundamentally changed the world.

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. Actually, it changed it in exactly the same way as Reichstag.

A manufactured "tragedy" giving a ruthless dictatorship an excuse to go on a murderous rampage with overwhelming public support.

[Demobrat]

8. Clark should be talking about why he's a dem now.

He doesn't have to make it the basis of his whole campaign forever, but it wouldn't hurt him to talk openly about why he's now running against these people he praised so recently.

[Julien Sorel]

11. He has -- repeatedly.

Hit it in the debate, the town hall: he's covered it endlessly. Folks here pretend stuff like that never happened, though. It rains on the bashing parade. Just like they pretend he's never written books critical of uni-lateralism, made speeches critical of Bush's policies, was a critical analyst of the Iraq war, etc etc. Skulls become pretty think when it comes to information people don't want to hear.

[diplomats]

12. He talked about that in detail in the debate

I'm sure he will do that more.

[imax2268]

15. remember the Daily Show...?

when they showed then Gov Chimpy saying all that shit...and then they showed pResident Chimpy saying the exact opposite...

so...let's see...according to some media outlets...it's not ok to say one thing and then change your mind...unless you happen to be the current "republican" pResident...

[bearfartinthewoods]

16. they cannot MAKE him say nice things. he had to go out of his way

and agree to help raise money for the republicans.

he could have stayed away.

he could have kept his praise of bush to himself.

which dem politicians were running against the money he helped raise?

[Cheswick2.0]

18. you are correct

I am very suspicious of a man who is suddenly a democrat with all this bi-partisan support. Sorry to everyone here who supports him. But he has not paid his Democratic party dues AFAIC.
Maybe he can convince me, but I think we have other options and to put him on the top of the ticket because his military credentials appeal to swing voters kind of makes me sick. Is that really what we have come to?

[Kahuna]

19. Clark comes across as a very honest person .. no

matter how the lefties and righties try to paint him. Once people see him for themselves the leftie's and rightie's dishonesty and fear is transparent.

I traveled 600 miles today roundtrip to attend Clark's address to the draft movements in NH. Clark is warm, personable and endearing. I think that endearing quality is what drives the rigthties and lefties insane. His demeanor is inviting and makes you trust him immediately.

As others before me have attested, Clark is the real deal. He is doing this for US, because we asked him to. We didn't just ask, we pleaded. He has made it clear that he is doing it for US, and that we are partners, not subordinates or lackeys. He wants to know what WE want and what we think. He wants to work for us and enlist us to turn this country around. This is the man I trust and will put my heart and soul into seeing to it that he is elected next year. Go Clark!

[Clark Can WIN]

21. Why don't they keep showing the Colon Bowel

video where he said sanctions were working and Saddam had no WMD over and over and over again?