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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:45 PM
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OK, guys, this LTTE is gonna piss you off.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/opinion_21882910.shtml

Nelson Mandela is not a champion

DE PERE — The July 15 article in the Press-Gazette eulogizes Nelson Mandela of South Africa in glowing terms. The truth is quite the opposite.

Mandela was jailed for attempting to forcefully overthrow the legitimate government of South Africa.

Winnie Mandela was found guilty of ordering the deaths of her opponents. She escaped justice as her husband and co-conspirator was “president.” In the photo accompanying the article, both Mandelas are depicted giving the clenched-fist Communist salute. They were supported by the red rulers of Russia, Cuba and left-wing pro-red dictators of other African nations.

It’s a proven fact that much of the money poured into South Africa from abroad ended up in foreign bank accounts.

The so-called divorce of the Mandelas was occasioned by the fact that the crimes of Mrs. Mandela, which surfaced at her trial, were so heinous that it was considered expedient for the “president” to distance himself from her.

These facts are so well known it is difficult to see how mention of them could have been omitted.

Father Hector L. Bolduc


:banghead: :banghead:
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:46 PM
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1. "the legitimate government of South Africa."
That's a new one for me.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:35 PM
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6. The government of those days certainly was legitimate
More legitimate than Saddam's or that of mainland China, for example.

Moreover, in being elected into power by a minority of the population and then setting about dismantling what political liberties were in effect at the time, it was no different from the current American government.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:48 PM
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2. Father of what?
If this guys a priest, it's in Matt Hale's Church of the Creator.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:52 PM
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3. Incredibly
Mandela had more rights as a defendant accused of terrorism during the worst years of apartheid than Americans accused of the same thing have today.


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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:11 PM
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4. Some notes on Father Bolduc, if it's the same one.
Oh how I love the internets...

http://www.traditionalist.homestead.com/Kellner4.html


"A second "priest" employed by Marcel Lefebvre in the U.S.A. is Hector S. Bolduc, a native of Portsmouth, New Hampshire. According to the data at my disposal, he was a brother of the Society of Mary, a student at the Catholic University in Washing-ton, D.C., in the years 1967-1969. In this capacity, he assisted in cataloging the University's museum collections, an activity which later played a role in a criminal investigation. In the period of time between the second half of 1973 and the end of 1974, he obviously was in the seminary in Econe and was ordained - of course, in-validly.- by Marcel Lefebvre.

In the U.S.A., he was first active under Anthony Ward in Armada, Michigan. Obviously, he also was, for a short time, a priest of the "traditionalist" community of St. Athanasius in Vienna, Virginia, where, according to obviously authentic in-formation, he received for a strange reason the real estate of the community as a personal property under the condition that it would be transferred to the "Inter-national Sacerdotal Society of Saint Pius X" after a year. This condition is said to have been observed by Bolduc, but he is still one of the administrators of the real estate property of St. Athanasius. But according to another source of information, Bolduc is still listed as the owner of the property."



There's more concerning his sloppy use of Latin and editing sermons, plus finding porn at his residence, but I'll let the reader venture of his/her own accord. It begins about a third of the way down the page.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:32 PM
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5. Winnie was a warrior. That is why Mandela married her. He was
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 02:37 PM by applegrove
in the fight for his country and his first wife was not up to being a warrior. Or whatever. Mandela started and non-violent insurgency. He bombed power lines so that his people would not be treated like slaves - only allowed in the country to do jobs and bad pay - and kicked outside the boundaries of the country the second they took out of the system (were children requiring school or retired) or the second they were not working "to the busses!".

Mandela was the leader & arrested and incarcerated in jail for 25 years. The struggle became much more violent and Winnie was one leader on the ground. Essentially they led different lives at that point - because he was on an Island Jail. When Mandela was freed - he went back to Winnie and she soon faced trials for murdering a stooge who was a child & taking money (corruption). Children were all over that war by that time and the people equally responsible were the Apartheid leaders who fought psychological war & a violent one using children to meet their aims. Paranoia is a tool of terrorists and governments like Apartheid. No surprise they divorced. There were also allegations that she was abusive and competitive with him once they were back together. He was much older than her. They were different - as much of the battle had fallen to her while he was in jail.

Nelson is now married to the widow of Samora Michel. He was the leader of Mozambique which was fighting a war with insurgents funded by the South Africans. South Africa destabilized all the nations nearby it - as they saw them as enemies and needed the 'myth' of ungovernable Africa to continue in order to keep arguing for Apartheid. A war which saw villages murdered on a regular basis by the group funded by SA government of the time. Samora was blown out of the sky in a plane by a bomb. His wife was widowed. And years later - when Mandela divorced Winnie - who better to be his wife than someone who had been married to a Southern African leader - paid a great price and knew the business. She had also played a leadership role like Mandela too. And by all accounts she is a lovely person on top of political & a fighter.

That should be the story on Mandela's life. That - now that the struggle is over - the a great man has the chance at finding a great love.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:24 PM
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7. One man's terrorist ....
is another world's Freedom Fighter. Mandela earned his rightful place with the great men of history. The "father" is of no significance.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:36 PM
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8. Wait, don't tell me, Sharon
is a hero and statesman.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:11 PM
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9. Dumb fucker
Does he have any idea what life was like for the native people of South Africa? I doubt it. Or that America was founded after a successful attempt to "forcefully overthrow" we Brits (and quite rightly so)?
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