Ok, what should it be called? (Rove treason, Plame affair, etc)

[Bossy Monkey]

I'm on record, rather tediously by now I guess, as being fed up with calling every scandal Whatever-gate. Actually, this one is the first since Iran-Contra that actually deserves (if that's the word) comparison with Watergate since if there were a God in heaven it would provoke a genuine constitutional crisis. With all three branches of government in the hands of the GOP, however, it will more probably just provoke a round of belly laughs out at the country club, but that's for another post. This was inspired by an earlier thread today, by the way; most of the suggestions came from that one.
It's here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4117674

So whaddaysay?

[evlbstrd]

1. Treason.

Pure and simple.

[mcscajun]

8. Now *that's* cutting to the chase.

And succinct. Makes a great headline, too. I see it in 84 pt. type.

[evlbstrd]

21. I agree.

And I really don't like the -gate suffix for scandals. Watergate was named for the DC hotel where that whole scandal began to unravel.

[bleever]

2. Plameggedon.

:)

[sam sarrha]

3. TreasonGate has a better 'Ring'.. Treason rolls like the sound of a rope

snapping taught, as the traitor falls through the trap door..just before his miserable life ends..

[Bossy Monkey]

4. I disagree vehemently, but I'll put it on nt

[Lorien]

5. I agree; "Traitorgate" or "Teasongate" allows the layperson to

understand that there's a scandal involving the Whitehouse and an act of treason-"-gate" is now synonymous with "Whitehouse scandal".

[skids]

6. Didn't vote for it...

But just wanted to say "yellowcake rove" was cute.

[Bossy Monkey]

24. Credit where credit's due: Tahitinut coined it on the other thread

linked in the original post above)

[mcscajun]

7. "The Valerie Plame Scandal"...

...makes more impact than any word with "-gate" in it.

I said pretty much the same thing in at least one of my posts on the earlier thread.

I agree so wholeheartedly with the OP on this one, and I'm prepared to make the case everytime, everyplace.

[Lorien]

13. Most Americans are clueless to begin with

They don't know who Plame is, and if someone tells them there's a "scandal" involving such a person, they are just as likely to imagine an affair or embezzlement scheme as much as anything else. Communicating that a crime involving the Whitehouse (and treason)has occurred is important, as few Americans pay less than half as much attention to the news as an average DUer.

[mcscajun]

19. Then call it the Bush-Rove Scandal...

...but whatever, just leave the "-gate" out of it.

Let's call things what they are: the language is rich enough.

[Bossy Monkey]

20. This then would be an argument for "Bush War Crimes"

The media's fixation since 1974 with tacking "-gate" onto everything has just cheapened the whole notion of what constitutes a scandal. (Ken Starr, for example) The hoi polloi of whom you speak are going to tune out another -gate. "Treason," however, has impact; moreover, it's perfectly accurate. Your very argument undercuts your argument.

[Joey Liberal]

9. Rove is a traitor

To 'out' a CIA agent, especially during wartime, is Nazi-like and traitorous.

[Cha]

10. I liked "Treasongate" before

I saw it offered.

It has a ring to it. It's calling it like it is and bringing attention to exactly what rove.. in his infinite stupidity did.

[Booster]

11. Since her career was ruined and her life put in danger, the least

we can do is use Valerie's name in connection with this. If it weren't for the bravery of the Wilson's, none of this would have been exposed so it should really be called the Wilson Affair or Wilsongate.

[Diane R]

12. I liked Rove Rage n/t

[Bossy Monkey]

32. Really clever, but I think would be seen as a plus by Bushistas, freepers

and dittoheads.

[sundancekid]

14. PlameYellowWarGame

[Hamlette]

15. President's lies about Iraq

or The President's lies about war.

[laureloak]

16. Don't use Rove's name - deny him notoriety in history. n/t

[Bossy Monkey]

23. I'm all for ensuring Rove's infamy forever nt

[Stinky The Clown]

17. I'm opposed to using Plame's name in this in any way, shape, ot form.

She's the **victim** (as well as the rest of the country). This can be called whatever the fuck ya wanna call it ... except the 'Plame Affair" Mrs. Wilson did NOT have an affair. She did NOT cause this to happen. She is NOT a part of this.

I'm VERY angry about this whole thing. If it were my call it would be the Karl Rove is a Motherfucking Traitor Scandal.

But it isn't my call.

[newswolf56]

18. Other: the Plame Vendetta, which I think is so self-speaking it needs...

no other explanation. Long form: Vendetta against Valerie Plame. Synonyms: Plame Retribution, Plame Retaliation, Plame Vengeance (especially if it topples Rove), even (for the tabs) Plame Viciousness. Etc. through the whole thesaurus.

[Bossy Monkey]

22. The only one of those that works is Vendetta against Valerie Plame

and I suspect it was mostly against Wilson anyway. Rove's vendetta probably better conveys what needs to be conveyed, and makes absolutely clear where the blame should fall.

[newswolf56]

26. Agree with your point, but the degree of Rove's complicity...

remains unclear: what if the ultimate leaker turns out to be Bush himself?

Where I most agree with you is this: that the best we can go with -- based on what we know now -- is "Vendetta against Plame" in the first reference (probably reduced to "Vendetta vs. Plame" to fit the head-count), then "Plame Vendetta" in all subsequent references.

(Vendetta vs. Plame counts 16 as compared to 21 for Vendetta against Plame. Am I, as I suspect, speaking one editor to another?)

[Bossy Monkey]

28. While I've been paid for proofreading and editing services in the past,

no, I can't in good conscience describe myself as a professional editor. I was BORN with that stick up my butt.:D

[pointsoflight]

25. This is bigger than Rove, Plame, etc....

The bigger context is the deception used to take us to war in Iraa, then the lies and dirty tricks used to try to cover it up. We need a name that captures this much bigger and more serious scandel...

Iraq-gate works, but we can probably come up with something better.

[kanrok]

27. TurdblossomGate

[parasim]

29. The NOC Outing

or perhaps...

Rovescam
The Rove Deception
The Bush Doctrine
The NOComment Incident
The Yellowcake Deception
The Office of Strategic Incompetence Affair
The Bush and Rove Breach of National Security
The NOC NOC Who's There Affair
Shark Attack!
The Cheney's Behind It All Affair

...anything but something with "gate" in the name...

[Swamp Rat]

30. Treason

Rove will have no place to hide - on Earth - from angry Americans.

[libertypirate]

31. NOT about Plame! About clandestine operation focused on WMD

It needs to be defined so that it includes a hierarchy of what it is related to.

The one who did the bad thing should be in the title. If victim is in the title it makes it about "them" this is not about Plame. It's all about Bu$h Co. and/or Mr. Rove destroying a functional covert operation that was in pursuit of illegal WMD sales in the Middle East and Africa. The obvious question is whose team are they on? The next is. What value is this kind of destructive behavior?

[Bossy Monkey]

33. One kick nt

[Bluerthanblue]

34. 'rover unmuzzled' - or 'The Plame truth'

or "Operation Un-covert"???

or "roll over Rover"

[napi21]

35. How about Scandalgate!

I don't think we should tie it to Rove, because I don't think it'll stop there. I think this is going to involve the entire admin. before it's over. Since this Admin, has had sooo many scandals, almost since 2000, I suggest SCANDALGATE! The addition of GATE gets everyone to recognize the link to the likes of Watergate, and the scandal perfectly describes the conditions.

[hootinholler]

36. Isn't one of the gates in the Tower of London named

The Traitor's gate?

Just sayin,
-Hoot