Interresting Developements in the London Bombings

[jsamuel]

Things are starting to look mighty strange. Note for the first story that the bombs went off at 8:51, not 9:11 like they might have supposed to. (The Spain train bombings happened exactly 911 days after 9/11.)

These are all in the LBN forum also, but I thought it was a good idea to compile them.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742951%26method=full%26siteid=94762%26headline=was%2dit%2dsuicide%2d%2d-name_page.html

Daily Mirror: Was it Suicide?

Why did they buy return train tickets to Luton? Why did they buy pay & display tickets for cars? Why were there no usual shouts of 'Allah Akhbar'? Why were bombs in bags and not on their bodies?

THE London bombers may have been duped into killing themselves so their secrets stayed hidden.

Police and MI5 are probing if the four men were told by their al-Qaeda controller they had time to escape after setting off timers. Instead, the devices exploded immediately.

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"We think it's possible they were told that when they pressed buttons to set off timers they'd have a short time to abandon the bombs and get away before the blast. Instead, the bombs exploded immediately."




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My Husband a Suicide Bomber? PROVE IT

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2005321327,00.jpg

By JAMIE PYATT

SUICIDE bomber Lindsay Jamal’s wife last night insisted: “They’ll have to prove to me he did it.”

Pregnant Samantha Lewthwaite, 22, refused to accept Jamal was the fourth London bomber, responsible for 26 deaths. She sobbed: “He wasn’t the sort of person who’d do this. I won’t believe it until I see proof.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,2,00.html


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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15947273%255E1702,00.html


No al-Qaeda link' to suspect/Egypt

AN EGYPTIAN official today said Egyptian citizen Magdy Mahmud Mustafa Nashar, who was arrested in Cairo on suspicion of involvement in the London bombings, had "no links with the al-Qaeda network". Egyptian Interior Minister Habib al-Adly made a statement published by the Al-Gumhuriya newspaper, saying media reports about Mr Nashar, 33, "are unfounded and are only hasty deductions".

Mr Adly said "the reports that British officers had interrogated him before Egyptian officials lacked details", but did not rule out that British investigators had taken part in the questioning. His ministry said last night that Mr Nashar "is being investigated to find out whether he was involved in the bombings that recently took place in London". An interior ministry statement said the suspect "has denied any involvement in the London bombings". "He said he had gone to Britain to study at Leeds University and has resided in Britain since 2000 until now to obtain his doctorate, which he did earlier this year. "He said he had come back to Egypt for a month-and-a-half holiday and was planning to go back to Britain to resume his studies and that all his belongings are still in his flat in Leeds." The statement said "the investigation would go on".

Mr Nashar was arrested in Cairo's southern suburb of Maadi, in the working class neighbourhood of Bassatin, security sources said. In its report of the arrest, the US network ABC News reported the suspect might be the bombmaker behind the attacks on three Underground trains and a double-decker bus that killed at least 54 people, including Australian man Sam Ly, and wounded some 700 others.


British police said they were "aware" of an arrest in Egypt in connection with the investigation into last week's London bombings. "We are aware of an arrest made in Cairo, but are not prepared to discuss if we may or may not wish to interview (the person) in connection with this investigation," a spokeswoman for London's Metropolitan Police said.

[dogday]

1. Iran cleric says UK could have bombed own capital

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PAI538688.htm


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TEHRAN, July 15 (Reuters) - A leading Iranian cleric said on Friday the British government could have orchestrated last week's bombings in London to stir up flagging enthusiasm for British military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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[electron_blue]

2. What is the significance of this, if it's true?

I'm just asking.
I just mean - what does it matter whether they were totally duped and misled into thinking they were "safe" or they were duped and misled into thinking suicide bombings would bring glory, etc.

[jsamuel]

4. significance is in your own judgement

[electron_blue]

7. What's that supposed to mean?

If those bombers were duped into dying, then the terrorists are really unethical.

duh

So - what is the significance? Is the significance that they are out of suicide bombers and maybe the insurgency is in its last throes (to quote what's his name)???

[jsamuel]

8. You read the facts and make up your own mind

Critical Thinking

I will not tell you what to think.

[electron_blue]

10. good grief

Why not tell me what you're thinking.

[jsamuel]

11. ok, i will

I am thinking that this evidence is all contrary to what we have been told to think, that these men were being led by Al Qui'da. The evidence shows that these men were told that they would not have to die in order to do what they were told to do. This could lead to a more "coerced" form of terrorist attack. One where the life of the bomber and/or family of the bomber is treatened if they do not carry out the attack. Who is behind the threatening? That is the big question.

[helderheid]

23. or this tin foil hat theory (which I wouldn't put past them)

Would be whatever company that hired Visor Consultants to do the drill on the same day, hired these guys to be a part of that drill, unbeknownst to them, real bombs would be going off in those locals.
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

[The Straight Story]

3. The always trustworthy iranian clerics :)

As to why they bought the tickets and such they did, to me I would suppose it cast less suspicion on them.

[lostnfound]

6. Bet it's much easier to recruit if suicide isn't part of the deal. nt

[JackRiddler]

14. I beg to differ

If it's exposed that willing bombers loyal to "al Qaeda" were killed in this way by their own dispatchers, it would be a disaster for future recruitment.

If it turns out the Leeds bombers were actually suckered, it's further support for a false-flag terror attack.

However, the theoretical masterminds of such an arrangement would rely on the press to always scream "al Qaeda" and the masses (including progressives) to always engage in vehement denial, no matter how obvious the evidence becomes.

[SmokingJacket]

5. Someone on DU speculated that first point several days ago.

I always feel like I'm way ahead of the curve because of this place.

[savemefromdumbya]

9. Was it an obviously inside job

Are Labour MPs are shrieking conspiracy theory? Some are silently wondering to themselves if this was an M-16ish inside job. Scary - what else is in store for this country?

[jsamuel]

12. my best wishes for the country

i hope the investigation will result in the truth being discovered

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. No, no Labour MPs are 'shreiking conspiracy theory'

In fact, I've not heard any speculation like that in Britain at all. It all comes from the USA and Iran, as far as I can tell. Maybe it's something to do with living under a theocracy ... ;-)

[Psyop Samurai]

13. Moebius Reality / Sleight of Hand

William Bowles presented an interesting hypothesis yesterday... well worth the read:

http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0348.html

"If we assume they were simply running what they thought were packets of drugs, they may well have done it before, perhaps even have conducted a ‘dry-run’ or two and of course, ‘ask no questions’, just do the run and pick up the bread.

They are given instructions, perhaps to meet someone on the tube or bus, where they have been instructed to hand over the backpacks, perhaps to look for a pre-arranged signal or sign that identifies the recipient. ‘Drop off the packets and pick up your £1000 when you get back’. Easy-peasy, money for old rope as they say. For four young working class men, the allure of quick, easy money is difficult to resist, the perfect patsies."


Now updated on the main page (no permanent link yet):

http://www.williambowles.info/index.html
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[jsamuel]

15. I thnk it has more to do with threats than drugs or "dupery"

[Theatrical]

16. Maybe this is tin-foil but...

I don't have proof of this, but say the terrorist attack is connected to the Bush regime as a means to distract from the erupting scandal. The timing is indeed suspicious. But why London? That's the part that doesn't fit. Perhaps the operatives are testing something for America? It is pretty scary.

[jsamuel]

17. Welcome to DU!

Many of us have thought of this as well, but we need proof before making conclusions about things like the London Bombings. Keep posting, reading, and searching for the info and we will "get to the bottom of this".


:bounce: :hi: :headbang: :yourock: :woohoo: :applause: :patriot:

[Theatrical]

18. True--that's an important point

We mustn't jump to conclusions. I suppose when I see all the rotten things that Bush has done, I get tempted to blame him for everything. But that would not be logical. Thanks for the reminder, and thanks for the welcome! Glad to be here!

[Hello_Kitty]

19. Aah...go ahead and blame him for everything.

I do. And welcome to DU :hi:

[jsamuel]

20. .

:rofl:

[newyawker99]

22. Hi Theatrical!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[helderheid]

24. London fits perfectly

Had it been on American soil, Bush's number that are highest (those saying he is doing a good job keeping terrorists from attacking us) would plummet.

[helderheid]

25. .

:kick:

[JackRiddler]

26. kick

[helderheid]

27. I 2nd that

:kick: