All Of Rove's Bullshit Spin Means NOTHING To Fitz

[Beetwasher]

Just remember that. It's irrelevant to the case and to whether or not there will be indictments. Rove is fighting a PR battle for public consumption, one he arguably already lost because his bullshit spin merely keeps the story alive and in public consciousness.

[Mythsaje]

1. Yep...

this is pretty much my line of thinking too.

[MajorFlaw]

2. Yup.

[napi21]

3. Oh absolutely! This is a fight for public opinion!

You see, all this spin won't matter to Fitz, but it will matter when it comes to trials after inditments. Wether it ends up in a court with a jury (members of the public) or in Congress (where members of the public will influence thier ellected officials!)

It doesn't seem to me like he's winning much in the court of public opinion lately! He's pi**ed of the press, and THEY have a GREAT influence on public opinion!!!!

[spanone]

4. You've got that right! Spin on White House...your days are numbered.

[amber dog democrat]

5. Rove is fighting for his life - he'll do/say anyhing to avoid consequences

Which is what I'd expect from a Machevellian weasel lik him. Its not like he can help it. I am just hoping he manages to take some others in the Chimp Admin down with him. I don't think he realized his peril when he blew the cover in Plame.

[emulatorloo]

6. Rove isn't just fighting for himself -- this goes up the food chain

or should I have said food chaney. . .

Rove is just the tip of the iceberg.

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From georgia10 on DailyKos: "16 words & the 11 hour gap "
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Forget Rove-Gate, get ready for Cheney-Gate.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/16/AR2005071600087.html

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Memo Is a Focus of CIA Leak Probe
By Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 16, 2005; Page A06

Federal prosecutors investigating the leak of former CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity have asked several witnesses in the case whether they read a State Department memorandum mentioning her that circulated inside the Bush administration in the days before she was publicly named, according to people familiar with the testimony.

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[amber dog democrat]

9. Its almost too much to hope for.

But it would not surprise me at all. Its amazing how much this situation reminds me of the " cancer on the presidency" scenereo. Who knows, maybe by late 2006 we might get a few resignations ? ... and its either Clinton's or the Liberal Media's fault.
Thanks for the links.
:popcorn:

[emulatorloo]

11. Frank Rich Editorial NYT 7-17: "Follow The Uranium"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?ei=5070&en=65a8cd4de94296df&ex=1122264000&pagewanted=print

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WELL, of course, Karl Rove did it. He may not have violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, with its high threshold of criminality for outing a covert agent, but there's no doubt he trashed Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame. We know this not only because of Matt Cooper's e-mail, but also because of Mr. Rove's own history. Trashing is in his nature, and bad things happen, usually through under-the-radar whispers, to decent people (and their wives) who get in his way. In the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain's wife, Cindy, was rumored to be a drug addict (and Senator McCain was rumored to be mentally unstable). In the 1994 Texas governor's race, Ann Richards found herself rumored to be a lesbian. The implication that Mr. Wilson was a John Kerry-ish girlie man beholden to his wife for his meal ticket is of a thematic piece with previous mud splattered on Rove political adversaries. The difference is that this time Mr. Rove got caught.

Even so, we shouldn't get hung up on him - or on most of the other supposed leading figures in this scandal thus far. Not Matt Cooper or Judy Miller or the Wilsons or the bad guy everyone loves to hate, the former CNN star Robert Novak. This scandal is not about them in the end, any more than Watergate was about Dwight Chapin and Donald Segretti or Woodward and Bernstein. It is about the president of the United States. It is about a plot that was hatched at the top of the administration and in which everyone else, Mr. Rove included, are at most secondary players.

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This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit - the big enchilada, to borrow a 1973 John Ehrlichman phrase from the Nixon tapes - is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war, not the unmasking of a C.I.A. operative who posed for Vanity Fair.

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[amber dog democrat]

12. Hey, I just read that on The Smirking Chimp.

I hope this plays out for a long time. It has the potential of taking the * administration off message and off balance and certainly in a defensive circle-the-wagons stance. We must not forget this is really about getting us into a war under false pretenses. This was not very smart.

[On the Road]

7. That's Why This Scandal is Not Like the Others

In fact, the more covering up there is, the greater the chance of obstuction.

[Stirk]

8. It's hilarious, isn't it? The great pretenders are trying to

pretend their way out of reality.

You don't have to live in the "reality-based community", but if you don't, it eventually catches up to.

[proud patriot]

10. I totally agree

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