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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:43 AM
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Cut through the b.s. - here is the real headline to Plamegate
"U.S. National Security Against WMD and Terrorism Destroyed"

Great summation from contributor to Buzzflash:


http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/07/con05237.html

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There has been much speculation in recent days about the involvement of Karl Rove and others in the disclosure of the identity of a covert CIA operative. The chatter back and forth from opposing political perspectives raises some very debatable points as well as a lot of useless noise. Unfortunately most of this obscures the real issue at the heart of the matter, the national security of the United States and the safety of the American public.

Whether or not the legal definition of section 421, title 50, of the United States Code covers Mr. Rove's actions will be debated in the months or years to come. However, this discussion obscures the debate we should be having in this country, how have these actions undermined our national security and our ability to protect our citizens. Where covert cover is never perfect, having it spread all over the front page surely cannot help our cause.

Whether these actions are legally treasonous or not is a question for the U.S. judiciary system. The fact that these actions severely damage our ability to protect the citizens of this nation is the central fact, and one that deserves every American's immediate attention.

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A priority of this administration is the global war on terror; this should include the defense of this nation from attack, especially from WMD. That being said, how can we trust an administration that would defend personnel and actions that have undermined that very function? Whether this action was perpetrated through spite or stupidity, how can we leave those that made theses decisions in charge of our national security? This is only one more incident to highlight in the litany of irresponsible actions of this administration. It would seem that none in Washington have any idea whatsoever on how to win this war we find ourselves in.

This leaves the only question to be asked, "Are we to wait for the smoking gun of their incompetence to be a mushroom cloud over a U.S. city, or are we going to protect our nation from those who abdicate their responsibility to do so?"


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:57 AM
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1. DU's ahead of the curve.
Not to drop any names, and there are certainly many others, but check out these threads started by DUers Sailin, Elementary Penguin and Will Pitt from 2003:

Holy shit! White House commits felony to get back at Wilson!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=52719


Hellooooooo.... am I alone - but isn't the REAL plame story being missed?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=423452


The Most Insidious of Traitors (my Plame story, HELP)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=430986

Where's the national press corpse been for two years? Sleeping? Monica? Michael? Your country needs you.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:57 PM
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22. I don't think revenge was the motive...
My idea is here.

-Hoot
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:00 PM
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2. How true.
I digress based on your post.

If the Bush administration is so keen on national security, why have they developed such amicable relationships with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: After all, Pakistanis were behind the British bombs. Saudi Arabians were behind 9/11. Neither country has a democratic government. Neither country is free. Pakistan has been a primary proliferator of WMDs. The role of Saudi Arabia in WMD proliferation is unclear. Yet we apologize for, defend, cooperate, even conspire with those both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Is the whole Iraq war a pro-Saudi operation? It seems to me that question is worth examining. What is going on?

It appears that by leaking Plame's identity, the Bush administration was able to set our WMD intelligence operations back many years. Who would want or benefit from that set-back? Certainly not anyone in the US.

We know that the Saudis provided seed money and invested in a company that Bush ran. In what other companies are they invested? How many of those companies donate to the Republican party? to the Democratic party? How much do they donate? Is there a link between Saudi interests and Bush policies? I don't know the answers to these questions, but your post causes me to ask them in this forum.

The DSMs snd the Plame outing converge and are related. We need to understand the underlying power structures that link them. How much does Saudi Arabia influence Bush thinking and policy? And why are we so tolerant of the Pakistani government? Sign me, Puzzled.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:02 PM
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3. Who benefits from outing Plame?
The military industrial intelligence complex and their owners.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:08 PM
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5. The investigation into who funded 0/11 was stooped. Want to guess who
funded 9/11? Betcha was Bu$hco
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:14 PM
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19. Right on, Vincardog. The buck stops and starts with Bushco.
... and whoever plays whoever's side, Bushco wins.

Which is what happens when they play off each side off the other, by arming both.

They did it in World War I.

They didi it in World War II.

They did it in the Cold War.

They did it in Vietnam.

They did it in Iraq.

They're doing it again.

In most of those examples, the people the BFEE represent -- the military industrial intel complex and its shareholders -- profited in terms of money and power.

Remember how Bush never "connected the dots"? There was a reason for it:



Bin Laden’s Brother-in-law Had Close Ties to Bush

Wednesday, 28 August 2002, 10:18 pm
Article: www.UnansweredQuestions.org

EXCERPT...

A BATH ALWAYS COMES IN HANDY


Does George W. Bush Have Something To Hide?

Mahfouz’s past also includes business dealings with George W. Bush, having invested $50,000 in the younger Bush’s first company, Arbusto Energy, through his U.S. representative James R. Bath, an aircraft broker and friend of Mr. Bush from their days together in the Texas Air National Guard. (Wall Street Journal (WSJ), “Vetting the Frontrunners: From Oil to Baseball to the Governor’s Mansion,” 9-28-1999)

Legal papers regarding Bath's contested divorce listed one of his assets as a $50,000 investment in Arbusto Oil -- Bush's first company. Moreover, Bath's business partner said he had no substantial money of his own at the time he made the Arbusto investment, implying that Bath received the money from someone else: "Most of Bath's investments....were really fronts for Mahfouz and other Saudis connected with the Bank of Credit and Commerce (BCCI)." (The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride Into the Secret Heart of BCCI, Random House, Beaty & Gwynne, 1993, page 229.)

Award-winning author and journalist at the Houston Chronicle and “The Economist,” Peter Brewton, consulted James R. Bath’s resume and wrote that in early summer 1976 Bath received a huge business break:

“Bath was named a trustee for Sheikh Salem bin Laden of Saudi Arabia , a member of the family that owns the largest construction company in the Middle East. Bath’s job was to handle all of bin Laden’s North American investments and operations.” ( The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush, Shapolsky Book Pub., 1992) {Simon & Schuster had first signed Brewton, then decided not to publish his book}

Shortly thereafter, Bath also began working for billionaire Sheikh Mahfouz, NCB banker for Saudi billionaire financier Abdullah Bakhsh. Meanwhile, George Junior’s failing Arbusto company was renamed Bush Exploration -- hoping to trade on his father‘s increasing importance; however, it was soon merged with Spectrum 7 Energy, as oil prices were collapsing.

While hard times continued for Spectrum, in 1988 Harken Energy Corporation absorbed the company, according to WSJ. And in return for adding the famous Bush name as a corporate asset, Texas-based Harken in effect bailed out the future president’s failing fortunes with generous stock options, a salaried seat on Harken’s board of directors, low-interest loans, and other helpful perks.

The astute Saudi billionaires sought to develop intimate financial relationships with the upwardly mobile political Bushes, even using their Arkansas connections to pull off some deals.

CONTINUED...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00148.htm

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:50 PM
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21. Octafish is starts with Grand Pappy Bush being Hitler's Banker
continues through the whole 20'th century with the Capitol interests pushing the Fascist agenda. It culminates at the end of the 20'th century with the Radical Right seizing control of the elections with the Selection of aWol in 2000, followed by the fascist coup and the fraudulent elections in 02 and 04. The fascist thugs are looting the treasury while they are fomenting a state of perpetual war. The war is cover to divert the public from their illegal immoral illegitimate acts. I firmly believe that unless the American Public wakes the fuck up and throws the Corporate Interests out of our government all is lost.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:50 PM
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17. But who owns and funds them?
Lots of people of course, but who are the really controlling stockholders? I'm really asking. I don't know, but I suspect it isn't American unions.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:22 PM
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20. They always blame the unions.
Great call, JDPriestly!

Aren't most of the stocks, bonds, patents, real estate, and, of course, hard currency owned by a small elite, many of whom are in the United States, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Coast nations, as well as a certain few wealthy corporations, organizations, families and individuals on six of the world's continents.

From the days before Bush, we read:



Wealth Distribution

One of the key indicators of the financial health of individual Americans is the distribution of wealth (i.e.: who owns what share of the personal wealth pie). Back in the 1970s, before we had 100 million computers and readily available software to do the calculations effortlessly, the government had no problem presenting a wealth of detailed statistics. These included reports about the income distributions over thirteen levels, yearly family personal income by quintiles and top 5 percent, percent share of personal income received by the top 1 percent and the 5 percent of population, and portion of personal wealth share of top 1 percent and top ½ percent of wealthholders. This information was published by the US Department of Commerce in its annual publication, Statistical Abstract of the United States. Evidently, some in government decided that to have such information readily available to an increasingly sophisticated electorate was not in the best interest of . . . well, we’ll just have to see who has benefited from the complacency of the American electorate. For whatever reason, the consistency and detail of information on wealth and income dropped off dramatically after 1976. Table 15 speaks volumes about what is not readily available. As you can see, 1976 is the last year that clear information on the total wealth and proportion of total wealth held by the top 1 percent and top ½ percent of Americans is available. The other wealth share figures were extracted from the data in the article "Personal Wealth, 1992-1995," by Barry W. Johnson. The tone of Johnson’s article made it clear that the government still keeps careful figures on such data. They simply choose not to share these figures with the American people in readily available sources like the Statistical Abstract of the United States.

In his report Johnson acknowledges, "Some estimates indicate that the share of wealth held by the top 1 percent of the population increased during the 1980’s, making the distribution of wealth in the United States more unequal than in much of Europe . . . An increase in the inequality of wealth in the United States raises important concerns for policy planners and tax experts."16 (emphasis added) Rather than explore the twenty year trend of wealth migration, Johnson limited his analysis of wealth held by the top 1 percent and top ½ percent to the figures available for 1989 and 1992, plus preliminary figures for 1995. Within this narrow time period by using the preliminary 1995 figures, Johnson was able to predict a slight drop in the net worth of these top wealthholders from their 1992 highs. Based upon the slim decline, Johnson assured us that, “ . . . the rich did not get "richer" at the expense of those on the lower rungs of the wealth distribution."17  Thank goodness we can all now breathe easier.

Based upon other sources, it is obvious that the preliminary 1995 figures probably were overly optimistic. Yet in the several years since the report was generated, no update to the Johnson report has been presented. Even if by some miracle there was actually a slight decline from 1992 to 1995, that doesn’t address the most disturbing fact. Using those preliminary figures, between 1976 and 1995 the richest 1 percent of the population increased their share of wealth by at least an additional 12%. The remaining 99 percent of us have less to divide among ourselves. Most of that 12% gain actually went to the top ½ percent. This is an ominous sign for the health of our democracy.

In lieu of putting out the concise percentile information for wealth distribution that the government used to publish in the Statistical Abstract, they now occasionally publish net worth information on what they call ‘Top Wealthholders’ which comprise approximately the top 3 percent of the population. Whether intended for the purpose or not, this method of reporting better hides the migration of wealth than earlier reports showing the top 1 percent and top ½ percent wealth shares. To add to the confusion, they always cast the top wealthholder data in current dollars stratified across only six or seven categories. This makes it nearly impossible to compare the data over a number of years. Table 16 is as close as I could come with the published data. 1982, 1986, and 1989 were extracted from the Statistical Abstract. The government hadn’t even bothered to publish the 1992 and 1995 data in the Statistical Abstract. Even using these primitive tables we can see that the net worth of these top wealthholders has more than doubled during the period from 1982 to 1995. In order to get a closer approximation of the top 1 percent from the top wealthholders data, I extracted the group with a net worth of over $5 million dollars (Table 17) and the group with a net worth between $1,000,000 and $4,999,999 (Table 18). The $5 million and over group have seen its assets increase by more than a trillion dollars in the period from 1982 to 1995. The fact that the per person increase was greater during the 1982-1995 period than the 1982-1992 period, increases my suspicion that the rate of wealth migration to the top 1 percent is even greater than Johnson’s optimistic report would have us believe. If the 1992 figures are any indication, the migration of wealth to the top ½ percent from 1976-1992 exceeded 22%. If we analyze these figures carefully we see that the second ½ percent of the wealthholders only saw a 2% increase in their share of the wealth pie. Granted that means they fared better than the rest of us, but we see that the person who, with frugality and perseverance, is able to amass a one or two million-dollar estate during the course of his lifetime is not the problem. Statistical demarcations such as top wealthholders, top 5 percent, and top quintile are simply acting as a beard to hide the accelerating migration of wealth to the top ½ percent. Table 17 and 18 help confirm this. During that period the percentage of the total assets of the top wealthholder group, which were owned by the $5 million plus club, increased 287.7%. Even more alarming is the fact that while the share of the total assets of the richest 1 percent rose 12%, the portion of those assets held by the richest 0.1 percent (those with a net worth over $5,000,000 increased by 85%. During the same period, the average wealth for all members of the over $1,000,000 but less than $5,000,000 group actually dropped slightly while the share of the top 0.1 percent increased over 30%.

Why has nearly all gain gone to the richest few among us? The politicians have given the bulk of the tax cuts to these privileged few. While the richest in the top one percent income group averaged a 42% tax cut, the majority of Americans only got about a 3% in tax relief that same year. 1997 alone, this meant an average $637,000 savings for each one of the top group of 144,000 multimillionaires over what they would have paid under the 1976 rules. The staggering 92 billion dollars worth of tax cuts bestowed upon this privileged one-eighth of one percent was many times the amount everyone else received.

CONTINUED...

http://www.inplainsight.info/Topics/Tax%20Reform/wealth.htm


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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:35 PM
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13. Punt
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:06 PM
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4. what would terrorists have done to get the info rove gave them willingly?
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:19 PM
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6. Recommended
:kick:
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:56 PM
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7. Kicked and Recommended.
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 01:56 PM by Tommymac
:kick:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:57 PM
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8. Totally the truth
Recommended
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:01 PM
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9. Great closing statement.
I would change the headline to "U.S. National Security Against WMD and Terrorism Compromised."

Gads, we don't want total panic in the streets, do we, else we're looking at the possibility of martial law. The dominos won't fall where the neocons think they will, and we, the public, pay the price.


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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:02 PM
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10. The Author Here Makes An Excellent Piint, Sir
This action fundamentally undermined national security in a time of war.

It was done to shield the liars who deceived the people into supporting war.

It is clear these reptiles place a far greater value on their political skins than on the security and success of the country and its people.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:32 PM
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12. It could be...
...The outing of Plame was just the setup to end her investigation of WMD, an investigation that would have lead right back to the White House.

The White House knew they were breaking a law letting the Plame information out, but it was really just a minor violation and they figured they'd get away with it and not be caught destroying the CIA front about to expose even bigger crimes.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:14 PM
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14. Cheney protected nuke technology sales to Pakistan...
History, it's really something. The Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) used petrodollars throughout the 1980s to help finance the Pakistani bomb, developed by Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan's org. So, today's White House Iraq Group (WHIG) worked to kill two birds with one outing.

Jason Leopold's article does a good job of listing a few of the big names and dates, including that of Richard Barlow...



Cheney helped cover-up Pakistani nuclear proliferation in '89 so US could sell country fighter jets

Tuesday, March 16 2004 @ 09:04 PM Central Standard Time
Jason Leopold

When Pakistan's clandestine program involving its top nuclear scientist selling rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, blueprints for building an atomic bomb was uncovered last month, the world's leaders waited, with baited breath to see what type of punishment George W. Bush would inflict upon Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff. Bush has, after all, spent his entire term in office talking tough about countries and dictators that conceal weapons of mass destruction and even tougher on individuals who supply rogue nations and terrorists with the means to build WMD. For all intents and purposes, Pakistan and Musharraf fit that description.

Remember, Bush accused Iraq of harboring a cache of WMD, which was the primary reason he gave for the United States launching a preemptive strike on that country a year ago, and also claimed that Iraq may have given its WMD to al-Qaeda terrorists and/or Syria, weapons that, Bush said, could be used to attack the U.S. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khan's proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act. In fact, it was actually a coverup designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.

Like the terrorist attacks on 9-11, the Bush administration had mountains of evidence on Pakistan's sales of nuclear technology and equipment to nations vilified by the U.S.?nations that are considered much more of a threat than Iraq?but turned a blind eye to the threat and allowed it to happen. In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then secretary of defense under the Bush I administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the U.S. said was sponsoring terrorism. But Barlow's findings, as reported in a January 2002 story in Mother Jones magazine, were "politically inconvenient."

"A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad," Mother Jones reported. Ironically, Pakistan, critics say, was let off the hook last month so the U.S. could use its borders to hunt for al-Qaeda leader and alleged 9-11 mastermind Osama bin Laden. Cheney dismissed Barlow's report because he desperately wanted to sell Pakistan the F-16 fighter planes. Several months later, a Pentagon official was told by Cheney to downplay Pakistan's nuclear capabilities when he testified on the threat before Congress. Barlow complained to his bosses at the Pentagon and was fired.

"Three years later, in 1992, a high-ranking Pakistani official admitted that the country had developed the ability to assemble a nuclear weapon by 1987," Mother Jones reported. "In 1998, Islamabad detonated its first bomb." During the time that Barlow prepared his report on Pakistan, Bryan Siebert an Energy Department analyst, was looking into Saddam Hussein's nuclear program in Iraq. Siebert concluded that "Iraq has a major effort under way to produce nuclear weapons," and said that the National Security Council should investigate his findings. But the Bush administration?which had been supporting Iraq as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran?ignored the report, the magazine reported. "This was not a failure of intelligence," Barlow told Mother Jones. "The intelligence was in the system."

CONTINUED...

http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php?story=2004031621042158

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:33 PM
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15. "The intelligence was in the system"
It should be obvious to anyone that Cheney did not want to be exposed in the nuclear proliferation that he is involved in, what better way to end an investigation into his dealings than cripple it by exposing an organization that was about to nail him?

Or did I say that already? lol

(Octafish.... read your JFK thread last night... forgot to post this message to it: I approve of this entire thread.)

Thanks for your continued Truth-seeking.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:18 PM
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16. Wonder if the guy's in a safe house?
If he's not already there, Fitzgerald should put Barlow in the witness protection program. What he talked about in 1989 ties straight on through to today, meaning 9-11.



Political Intelligence

News: What happens when U.S. spies get the goods-- and the government won't listen?


By Ken Silverstein & David Isenberg
January/February 2002 Issue

In 1989, an intelligence analyst working for then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney issued a startling report. After reviewing classified information from field agents, he had determined that Pakistan, despite official denials, had built a nuclear bomb. "I was not out there alone," the analyst, Richard Barlow, recalls. "This was the same conclusion that had been reached by many people in the intelligence community."

But Barlow's conclusion was politically inconvenient. A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad.

Barlow's report was dismissed as alarmist. A few months later, a Pentagon official downplayed Pakistan's nuclear capabilities in testimony to Congress. When Barlow protested to his superiors, he was fired.

SNIP…

Barlow's case points to an issue that has largely been overlooked in the post-September 11 debate about how to "fix" the nation's spy networks: Sometimes, the problem with intelligence is not a lack of information, but a failure to use it.

In the early days of the Vietnam War, a CIA analyst named Sam Adams discovered that the United States was seriously underestimating the strength of the Vietcong. The agency squelched his findings and he left in frustration. During the Reagan years, Melvin Goodman, then a top Soviet analyst at the agency, reported that the "Evil Empire" was undergoing a severe economic and military decline. Goodman was pressured to revise his findings--because, he says, then-CIA director William Casey wanted to portray a Soviet Union "that was 10 feet tall" in order to justify bigger military budgets. (Reagan's Secretary of State, George Shultz, put it more delicately in his memoirs: Reports from Casey's CIA, he wrote, were "distorted by strong views about policy.")

At about the same time Barlow issued his warnings about Pakistan, an Energy Department analyst named Bryan Siebert was investigating Saddam Hussein's nuclear program. His report concluded that "Iraq has a major effort under way to produce nuclear weapons," and recommended that the National Security Council look into the matter. But the Bush administration--which had been supporting Iraq as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran--ignored the report. It was only in 1990, after Saddam invaded Kuwait, that clear-eyed intelligence reporting on Iraq came into fashion.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2002/01/political_intel.html



PS: Thanks for the kind words, BeFree. As you've been putting up the good fight a long time, they are much appreciated.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:52 PM
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18. Thank you.
Very interesting.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:00 PM
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23. It is worth reading
what Bush said in his infamous State of the Union address. First he went through a series of biological & related WMD programs that his advisors were sure Saddam had, because they sold them to him through the 1980s. Then, as we recall from watching the film of the speech, he tries to be dramatic, by lowering his voice and emphasizing each of the "16 words" .... which were used to "prove" that Saddam was working on the mother of all WMDs.

The yellow cake lie was central to the administration's justification for invading. The UN was slowly but surely peeling away the other lies, errors, and misrepresentations. If the work that Plame was doing was not "derailed," the administration would have been fully exposed.

The Plame, yellow cake forgeries, and neocon spy scandals are all part of one large scandal. It is a mixture of Watergate and Iran-Contra .... and it could not be otherwise, considering the cast of criminal characters involved.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:10 PM
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11. They defrauded the American people. They sacrificed our security,...
,...for purposes of profiteering and power-mongering. They placed themselves in a position of acting as domestic enemies to this country.

They are traitors. They are guilty of treason.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:02 PM
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24. Here is a great time line of events
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:16 PM
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25. I don't think it will fly.
Bush Team Accused of Leaking State Secrets

The other spins its wheels a little too fast to get traction, IMO.
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