Frontline: Karl Rove, the Architect. Video

[madfloridian]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view/

I missed this, and it looks excellent. How did I miss it?

And when did it air? Must have been last year.

[me b zola]

1. It has only been a few months

It was well after the election

[jillan]

2. OOOH thanks for reminding me!

I have it recorded on my DVR.

Definitely time to watch it again, this time with different eyes :eyes:

[madfloridian]

5. I don't know how I missed it. Watching it now.

He is one scary guy.

[notadmblnd]

3. I didn't know that Karl Rove had a program

that connected directly to the polls. thats how he did it.. when they found out they were losing, he changed the votes himself. someone needs to get ahold of Rovers laptop.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Of course

Ken Blackwell also had one available in his office. Maybe what happened is they connected their computers to each other. You can do that on programs like MSN messenger. I had problems once and had someone connect to my computer to help me out and I watched them and could end the conversation anytime I wanted if they did something I didn't like etc. That could be how it was done perhaps? According to what I've read of the 2004 election Blackwell was bragging about having the computers in his office. Has David Cobb, Cliff Arnebeck and the others doing the 2004 election seen this video?

[notadmblnd]

7. I couldn't tell you

but I posted the link in the election forum.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. This is very telling

I'm watching the first part and on election day. According to the person telling the story from the Washington Post he said they had the feeling they were losing. Laura was gripping his hand like she never had before and the girls looked like they were at a funeral and everybody around them. He said he thought it was going to be him winning and that it would be good for the country if it ended that night so he could continue to lead (always about you isn't it Georgie??). Some were quite nervous on the Bush team on if he could pull it off. The Kerry people were very confident and optimstic. Rove knew it would be close and began to lighten the mood. "Republican areas turned out all over the country." Rove recieved bad news on Air Force One. Kerry was winning by a big margin (57% Kerry and Bush 43%). They were losing Florida and Ohio and Pennsylvania and South Carolina. They were looking at the same exit polls and still solid Kerry and Ohio and Florida are going his way.
The Kerry staff called Kerry "Mr. President." Kerry was sent to clean up and shave for his acceptance speech. They were crunching up numbers at the White House. If the base was turning out to vote the polls were wrong. They weren't that wrong (republicans did vote for Kerry like my mother and my grandparents by the way). They all put a face up to Bush that everything was fine. Rove had a system to key in systems for real time results. He set up a whole "war room" at the campaign and getting tracking polling and their OWN system and returns. The campaign headquarters contracted the exit polls. Did this group ask democrats or people in general or just their base? That's what I want to know. It went 9-11 it went to a celebration. The next morning Kerry conceded and Bush was re-elected and Rove was giving a new title "The Architect". His hand was in all of it. For hours, exit polls were indicating that John F. Kerry was the likely new president. But Karl Rove knew otherwise. He had his own numbers, and they dramatically contradicted the exit polls.

[notadmblnd]

10. I know earlier on after the election there was specualtion about

who and how the numbers were changed. I understood at that time that it was said he could check results, but I didn't realise that he was able to log directly into the polls. Was he logging into individual voting machines and changing the numbers or was he logging into the central tabulator? Supposedly, these machines are not plugged into a network.

I don't know or understand enough about it, but yes I think it might be a good thing if the election forum people took a look at this stuff.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. I think so too

It could help them prove they stole it. It's very strange how they thought they were going to lose and Rove trying to keep the spirits alive and all that nonsense and they were putting up a fake act around Bush of optomistic. They knew they were going to lose to John Kerry. And I believe they did. I don't know about polls either and how that type of system works. I hope that someone with BradBlog or Arnebeck or Cobb or just anybody else who knows about this.

[jillan]

17. to me that was the most disturbing part of the program

How Kerry was ready to go up and take a shower and get ready for his acceptance speech (I could cry all over again!) and all of the sudden things started changing.

Just like in 2000 when * said to Gore - Not so fast.

I hope KKKarl ends up in jail because he definitely deserves it.

He can't keep going thru life getting away with one crime after another:grr:

[CityZen-X]

4. The Last So Called Architect......

worked for a schmuck named Adolf, who had the words "God is with us" inscripted on his soldiers belt buckles.

[Bossy Monkey]

9. Funny, when they started promoting this was when CPB got a new evil

overlord. Coincidence? I don't know. (It was 4 maybe 6 months ago.)

[Touchdown]

12. Saw it already. It's a whitewash, a video blowjob.

They bow down and worship Rove like no other Frontline I've ever seen.:puke:

It was on a couple of months ago.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. It helps you to understand him though

And how he works. That's important I think. To know thy enemy. So if Karl Rove is put to jail for the outing of Mrs. Wilson the whole party could tumble down the drain for a long time until another Karl Rove comes around or he himself gets out of jail. It also shows how close Karl and George are and you can not have Karl without George. This video also shows the disgustingness and the smearing of McCain.

[thecrow]

14. "Karl Rove now wants to go for the history books..."

CREEPY

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Not what he's hoping for though

He's going to go down as a traitor to the country.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. I also noticed from this video

they attacked McCain the SAME way they attacked John Kerry. They used a Vietnam veteran who claimed John McCain didn't care about vetrans and smeared his service. Sounds familiar? They had whisper and phone campaigns and Email campaigns on McCain. I'm thinking now it was these people who attacked McCain in 2000 who also helped with getting the John Kerry SBVT campaign and they also did the rumors of the Bible and gun nonsense in the south. McCain wanted to build the party into the party of Ronald Reagan and Theodore Roosevelt and McCain was doing very well and then they did in South Carolina like they did to Ann Richards in Texas and the gay issue. They put out flyers that showed a photo of McCain shaking hands with the log cabin republicans (gay republicans). This is a political dnyomite in South Carolina. One guy of the Bush campaign in 2000 is saying they didn't do it. But we all know damn well it was Karl Rove because it was the SAME tactics he used in the Texas race. Karl uses the same tactics over and over again and others will use them as well. It shows when they got into the White House in 2000 Rove started working on 2004. It shows how they manipulated things with Kerry. Rove attacked the strength of Kerry. In this doc it shows that's how it does it. They show how the SBVT group is run out of DC and has CLOSE ties to the Bush organization over the YEARS. One of the people who was a principle was the political chief in the 2000 campaign who was running much of the direct mail. Rove publicially denounced the 527's but he took the opportunity to spread the message anyways. In the end they always turn to the gay issue. When Bush was running in 2000 he supported gays. There's one gay guy talking and he has himself and another guy of this group (the Austin 12 I think?) with George and Laura. He stopped raising money for the amendment and he shut it down and he felt betrayl. It's a hypocraciy. Many of the republicans who are doing this attack are themselves gay and openly gays in the party and elected officials and who are gay. As long as they are second glass and are silent you're fine. Gays don't challenge Karl Rove who are in the republican party. It shows that in 2004 when it appears as though John Kerry was winning the exit polls they had evangelicals who were working on the campaign in the key states to report back to the war room at the White House and they show the picture of Rove at his laptop. That's how Rove knew his base was turning out. He said he won his last campaign. Rove has enough money now. Bush thought that he "won" 2004 that he had the public's interest and he was going to go on Social Security and he has wanted to do this for a long time (side note: he first started doing this in 1978).