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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:57 PM
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The truth requires no spin: Amb. Wilson vindicated by the ISG
We know the President lied to our fellow citizens and the Congress.

We know Ambassador Wilson told the truth.

We need look no further than the following for the facts:

Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD, 30 September 2004

Foreign Pursuits

ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material—activities that we believe would have constituted an Iraqi effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program.

Regarding specific allegations of uranium pursuits from Niger, Ja’far claims that after 1998 Iraq had only two contacts with Niamey—neither of which involved uranium.

So far, ISG has found only one offer of uranium to Baghdad since 1991
an approach Iraq appears to have turned down.

Indigenous Production Capabilities

As a result of Desert Storm and IAEA inspection efforts, Iraq’s indigenous yellowcake production capability appears to have been eliminated.

Aluminum Tube Investigation

Baghdad’s interest in high-strength, high-specification aluminum tubes—dual-use items controlled under Annex 3 of the Ongoing Monitoring and Verification Plan as possible centrifuge rotors — is best explained by its efforts to produce 81-mm rockets.

Although ISG also uncovered inconsistencies that raise questions about whether high-specification aluminum tubes were really needed for such a rocket program, these discrepancies are not sufficient to show a nuclear end use was planned for the tubes.

Comprehensive Report, 30 September 2004
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html#sect4


The traitors in the White House deceived America into an illegal war of aggression.

The traitors in the White House destroyed a CIA NOC and associated infrastructure in July 2003.

The traitors in the White House have continued to lie to American citizens and the Congress both about their illegal war on Iraq and on their actions regarding Ms Joseph Wilson (aka Ms Valerie Plame) and the CIA.

Numerous members of Congress have supported the White House in these treasonous endeavors - all documented in the Congressional Record.

The media and other organizations and individuals within America have conspired and cooperated with the White House in their treasonous and extensive illegal endeavors.

Those are the facts.

Ambassador Wilson reported the truth to the White House and he reported the truth to America. His wife, the CIA and our National Security paid the price for the truth.

Congressman Conyers and his colleagues are striving to save our Constitution and protect our National Security. Let us all do everything we can, every moment of every day to ensure their success - our success - America's success.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:02 PM
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1. Amen!
Great and true post!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:12 PM
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2. Now tell me Colin you didn't chat with Karl and George on AF1....
State Dept. Memo Gets Scrutiny in Leak Inquiry on C.I.A. Officer

by RICHARD STEVENSON


This article was reported by Douglas Jehl, David Johnston and Richard W. Stevenson and was written by Mr. Stevenson.

July 16, 2005

The memo was sent to Colin L. Powell, then the secretary of state, just before or as he traveled with President Bush and other senior officials to Africa starting on July 7, 2003, when the White House was scrambling to defend itself from a blast of criticism a few days earlier from the former diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson IV, current and former government officials said.

Mr. Powell was seen walking around Air Force One during the trip with the memo in hand, said a person involved in the case who also requested anonymity because of the prosecutor's admonitions about talking about the investigation.

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The memo was dated June 10, 2003, nearly four weeks before Mr. Wilson wrote an Op-Ed article for The New York Times in which he recounted his mission and accused the administration of twisting intelligence to exaggerate the threat from Iraq. The memo was written for Marc Grossman, then the under secretary of state for political affairs, and it referred explicitly to Valerie Wilson as Mr. Wilson's wife, according to a government official who reread the memo on Friday.

When Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article appeared on July 6, 2003, a Sunday, Richard L. Armitage, then deputy secretary of state, called Carl W. Ford Jr., the assistant secretary for intelligence and research, at home, a former State Department official said. Mr. Armitage asked Mr. Ford to send a copy of the memo to Mr. Powell, who was preparing to leave for Africa with Mr. Bush, the former official said. Mr. Ford sent the memo to the White House for transmission to Mr. Powell.

More at the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/politics/16memo.html?ei=5094&en=73e6600ab118b6c9&hp=&ex=1121486400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print


We can all be sure that he didn't share the memo with Rove and Bu$h - if you believe that, I've got a nifty bridge I'd like to sell you.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us


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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:46 PM
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4. You can bet Powell won't take a fall for any of these bastards.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:10 PM
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8. You think Bush "Pioneers" can't come up with enough $$$ to get Powell
to say anything they want to hear? Never forget the old "joke": "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"
..."Sure I would"

..."How about for twenty bucks?"

..."What do you think I am, buddy?"

..."We've already established that, we're just haggling over the price now"

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 05:58 PM
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25. Ya' never know,...ya' just NEVER know.
The man is financially secure and retired. He may very well surprise everyone.

Ya' just NEVER know.

I'm pretty damn sure he understands that he was USED as window dressing,...as a means to an end that HURT his people, his nation.

If he has not yet arrived at that conclusion,...God help him. He sold not only his soul but also his own country to these bastards. I couldn't stand dying with that legacy left behind. But, I am a person with a conscience and a true love and commitment to the best interests of this nation, my beloved America who has been gagged, bound and thrown into the dark cellar of neoCONism.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:14 PM
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34. kick
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:21 PM
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28. I read that Powell was conveniently out of the country nt
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:38 AM
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32. Oh, I think he will
He will defend these bastards until the end.

...unfortunately
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:44 PM
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3. This Report is amazing!
Indigenous Production Capabilities

As a result of Desert Storm and IAEA inspection efforts, Iraq’s indigenous yellowcake production capability appears to have been eliminated. ISG has uncovered no indicator Iraq had reconstituted production processes to refine uranium or produce yellowcake on a scale needed for a weapons program.


snip--

In May 2003, coalition forces visited the former yellowcake extraction plant at Al-Qaim and discovered 16 drums of yellowcake and radioactive waste—materials we believe were associated with the pre-1991 nuclear weapons program. These drums were transferred in late June 2003 to the yellowcake storage facility located at Tuwaitha. There is no evidence that this material had been produced after Desert Storm


ISG also investigated the Ibn-Sina’ Facility—which in 1991 was part of Iraq’s EMIS uranium enrichment program—but found no indicators that the chemical processes being developed there had produced more than a few kilograms of uranium-bearing wastes as a byproduct of phosphoric acid purification. ISG believes that the Ibn-Sina’—which concentrated much of the chemical engineering staff from the former PC-3 nuclear weapons program—would most likely have been involved in an effort to reestablish a uranium recovery capability, had such an effort been under way.


snip---
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html#sect4

Friday, July 15th, 2005
Sidney Blumenthal vs. Norman Solomon on Karl Rove, the Democrats and Iraq

Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President Clinton, takes on Norman Solomon of the Institute for Public Accuracy and author of "War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death" on Iraq, the Democrats, the invasion of Iraq and much more.

Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President Clinton and author of "The Clinton Wars." His latest article is "Rove's War" on Salon.com.
Norman Solomon, executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy in San Francisco and the co-founder of Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR). He latest book, just published, is "War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death."
snip---
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/15/1340214
Watch, listen or download this very interesting Debate on DemocracyNow!
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/15/1340214

It was quite good.
Hiley
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:05 PM
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6. Kick for later. nt
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:58 PM
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5. Truth is our most powerful weapon. Time to take our country back!
Peace.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:06 PM
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7. Profile: Joseph Wilson
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 11:39 PM by hiley

"I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons programme was twisted."

Joseph Wilson

Profile: Joseph Wilson

Ambassador Joseph Wilson had already earned a footnote in history before his wife was revealed as a CIA agent, prompting a furious political storm in Washington.
As acting ambassador to Iraq in the run-up to the first Gulf War, he was the last US diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein, in 1991.
He very publicly defied the Iraqi strongman by giving refuge to more than 100 US citizens at the embassy and in the homes of US diplomats - at a time when Saddam Hussein was threatening to execute anyone who harboured foreigners.
He then addressed journalists wearing a hangman's noose instead of a necktie.
He later told the Washington Post newspaper that the message to Saddam Hussein was: "If you want to execute me, I'll bring my own rope."

Africa mission
He returned to the headlines 12 years later, when he revealed this summer that he was the envoy sent to Africa to investigate reports that the Iraqi president had tried to buy nuclear material there.

I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons programme was twisted Joseph Wilson
snip----

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3156166.stm
Always has been a good guy.
Hiley

Edit to add:

In the last analysis we must be judged by what we do and not by what we believe.

We are as we behave - with a very small margin of credit for
our unmanifested vision of how we might behave if we could take the
trouble.

~Geoffrey L. Rudd,
The British Vegetarian, September/October
1962
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:15 PM
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9. Message to Saddam Hussein
This is the best part and it shows what kind of a man,

true citizen of the world
and outstanding human being that

Ambassador Joseph Wilson is ...

He later told the Washington Post newspaper that the message to

Saddam Hussein was:

"If you want to execute me, I'll bring my own rope."



It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them:

Alfred Adler



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:58 PM
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11. Thank you for contributing these pertinent items. Much appreciated.
Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 05:58 AM
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19. UL, a dream woke me up...
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 06:37 AM by hiley
THis sounds silly however, it is something I had been trying to remember to post about House Democrats and Karl Rove.
I saw this on CSPAN and wanted to share here at DU but was side tracked and then could not remember what it was I was wanting to post about Rove and the Dems..
___________________________________________________________________


The first President Bush called it a traitorous act to reveal the names of those involved in intelligence collection. The current President Bush said two years ago that he wanted to get to the bottom of this and that anyone who leaked the identity of the CIA agent would no longer be part of his Administration. If he were sincere, this would have already happened.



It has become clear that Karl Rove was involved in the disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity as an agent of the CIA. The outing of Ms. Plame occurred shortly after her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, questioned the Bush Administration's claims about the sale of uranium yellowcake by Niger to Iraq. You do not have to be a detective to connect the dots. Rove's attorney insists that his client did not identify Ms. Plame "by name." But Rove did identify her as the spouse of former Ambassador Wilson, which would seem to be a distinction without a difference. The new disclosures raise questions about whether Rove acted alone or whether there was a conspiracy with other White House staff to use classified information for the political purpose of discrediting Ambassador Wilson.



Republicans in the House of Representatives have not held the Bush Administration accountable in any way on any subject, be it the budget, our national security, the war in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, the list goes on. The Administration has gotten off scot-free without any oversight from Republicans in Congress. The American people deserve better and House Democrats are committed to fulfilling our duties of Congressional oversight.



Become a Citizen Co-Sponsor of Send Karl Roving and join House Democrats in calling for:



A Congressional hearing in which Karl Rove testifies under oath so the public can learn the truth about this disgraceful incident.


The suspension of any and all of Karl Rove's security clearances.


The President to act swiftly and keep his word. No one is above the law, not even the President's right hand man.
snip----
sign and send comments form..

http://www.housedemocrats.gov/news/librarydetail.cfm?library_content_id=464

The two Congressman one being Congressman Kenrick Meek
that I was listening to on CSPAN2 were also speaking of email address to write to them at, still can not remember it though..
I hope someone will post the email address if they know it. Going back to bed now.
UL thank you,
Hiley
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:26 AM
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20. Maybe, this address is right.
Well I tried two different email addresses and both sent back then went with this one and so far it is still sent...I hope this is correct and I will check after sleeping a while.

30housedems@housedems.gov
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:44 PM
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22. address is correct please
write them and tell them what you think of the smear on Joseph Wilson and what should be done with
Karl Rove, please.
Would not hurt to also let them know we should leave Iraq now.
hiley
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:06 PM
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33. Corrected email address, Apologies for incorrect ones above..
After almost one day recieved notification address invalid.
Today i recieved this in an email ...
snip---
Lead by co-chairs Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) and Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL), the 30Something working group is dedicated to engaging the next generation of Americans further in government and the political process. To visit the 30Something working group's website click here: http://democraticleader.house.gov/30something/index.htm. You can also email them at the address listed below:

30SomethingDems@mail.house.gov.

snip--
thanks
hiley

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:06 PM
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27. The Republican party are screwing their own dominance,...
,...by failing to protect "the people's" interests. Let them proceed to be the party that protects a horrendous exploitation of the American people,...the party that actively engaged in covering-up a betrayal of historic proportions.

The GOP has proven to be morally bankrupt and has spread its DISEASE called "power and profit at any cost" across this nation. That's sociopathic.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:16 AM
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31. Just Me
Could not agree more. It is sociopathic, your post is very moving and true..
Hiley

A Look in the Mirror for America

by Derrick Z. Jackson

07/08/05 "Boston Globe" - - In his initial reaction yesterday to the London transit bombings, President Bush decried ''people killing innocent people." He said: ''The contrast couldn't be clearer between the intentions and the hearts of those of us who care deeply about human rights and human liberty and those who kill -- those who have got such evil in their heart that they will take the lives of innocent folks."

This came a week and a half after Bush invoked the innocent in his Fort Bragg, N.C., speech in an attempt to shore up sagging American support for his invasion and occupation of Iraq. Doggedly tying 9/11 to Saddam Hussein even though no tie existed, Bush said of global terrorists: ''There is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who exploded car bombs along a busy shopping street in Baghdad, including one outside a mosque. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who sent a suicide bomber to a teaching hospital in Mosul. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who behead civilian hostages and broadcast their atrocities for the world to see."

Bush also said the enemy will fail. ''The terrorists can kill the innocent, but they cannot stop the advance of freedom," he said. Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair said the ''slaughter of innocent people" will fail to cower the British people, and Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin called the attack an ''unspeakable attack on the innocent."

snip---

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9425.htm

It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them:
Alfred Adler

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:39 PM
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10. kick
:kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:02 AM
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12. Amb. Wilson: "148 of them would have been heads of intelligence sections"
Relevant link regarding 'the truth' in the Bu$h neoconster conspiracy to discredit Ambassador Wilson at the expense of destroying significant National Security CIA infrastructure:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4110404


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:09 AM
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13. Larry Johnson: THE REAL OUTRAGE IN THE ROVE PLAME AFFAIR
THE REAL OUTRAGE IN THE ROVE PLAME AFFAIR

by Larry Johnson


July 15, 2005

The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.

For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

Much more at the link:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/07/the_real_outrag.html


I am grateful to Larry Johnson for emailing me with a heads-up on this excellent essay.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:18 AM
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15. "the legacy .. allowing political operatives to out clandistine officers."
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 12:46 AM by understandinglife
The Intelligence Challenge: Can We Trust Our President?

By Brent Cavan, Jim Marcinkowski, Larry Johnson, and Jane Doe


July 15, 2005

We trained and worked at the CIA with Valerie Plame. We presented the following statement at a hearing on Capitol Hill in October 2003. In light of the latest White House sanctioned assault on Valerie Plame and her character, our testimony remains relevant and accurate. All of us were undercover. Brent Cavan and Larry Johnson worked as analysts in the Directorate of Intelligence. Jim Marcinkowski and Jane Doe were case officers and served overseas. Jane Doe's real name is not being used because she was involved in counter terrorism operations and could be at risk if her identity were divulged. We've got each other's back.

We slogged through the same swamps on patrols, passed clandestine messages to each other, survived a simulated terrorist kidnapping and interrogation, kicked pallets from cargo planes, completed parachute jumps, and literally helped picked ticks off each other after weeks in the woods at a CIA training facility. We knew each other’s secrets. We shared our fears, failures, and successes.

<clip>

Beyond supporting Mrs. Wilson with our moral support and prayers we want to send a clear message to the political operatives responsible for this. You are a traitor and you are our enemy. You should lose your job and probably should go to jail for blowing the cover of a clandestine intelligence officer. You have set a sickening precedent.

<clip>

We joined the CIA to fight against foreign tyrants who used the threat of incarceration, torture, and murder to achieve their ends. They followed the rule of force, not the rule of law. We now find ourselves with an administration in the United States where some of its members have chosen to act like foreign tyrants. As loyal Americans and registered Republicans we implore President Bush to move quickly and decisively against those who, if not apprehended, will leave his Administration with the legacy of being the first to allow political operatives to out clandestine officers.

More at the link:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/07/the_intelligenc.html


This was posted by Larry Johnson at "No Quarter" - a blog I urge every DU reader to read regularly.

No Quarter
Tired of Spin in the No Spin Zone? Wanting some Hardball but tired of a host that tosses NERF balls? This blog takes no prisoners and offers no quarter on issues of your security in today's dangerous world. We don't care if you agree or disagree with us. We only care that you think about what we write.


That's clear.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:54 PM
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23. Larry Johnson essay is excellent..
THE REAL OUTRAGE IN THE ROVE PLAME AFFAIR
by

Larry C. Johnson

snip---

They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.
snip--

The decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses and was in response to a request relayed to the division Valerie worked in by the Presidential daily briefer.

At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.
Larry Johnson

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/07/the_real_outrag.html
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:16 AM
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14. Kick!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:24 AM
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16. All we have to do is look to matters of record.
It's not so difficult to start to make out the limiting outlines of criminality on this foggy fascism they've created.

Just keep reminding everyone of their own words. We're not waiting for history to disprove them at this point; current events are doing that work before our eyes.


Thanks, UL.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:33 AM
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17. "... current events are doing that work before our eyes."
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 12:37 AM by understandinglife
Precisely, bleever!

We just need to keep the facts in clear view.

Bu$h and the neoconsters are no match for the truth as long as We The People never waiver in our dedication to it.


Army of One - Watch It; Spread It
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html



Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:09 AM
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18. "Bu$h Knew"; Tenet Quits -- Interesting events on June 3, 2004
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 01:11 AM by understandinglife
Testimony Bush knew about leaks? Is that why Tenet quit?

by kant


July 15, 2005

<clip>

So I was doing some digging to offer any update that I could and I was struck by the proximity of two items...

The first was a report from Capitol Hill Blue on June 3, 2004 that witnesses told a federal grand jury that Bush knew about and took no action to stop the release of Plame's identity.

The second is the announcement of Tenet's resignation ON THE SAME DAY!

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Check it out:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/16/05433/8135


As 'kant' notes:
"Does this look and sound like a man who "wants to know the truth?" Any speculation whether there is a code here to the journalists?"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031007-2.html



Oh Georgie boy, this is not a joke.........


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:16 AM
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21. It's time that Bu$h be asked these questions
if a journalist can be found to ask them:

1) How did a political operative, who has no business knowing the identity of an undercover CIA agent, obtain that information in the first place?;

2) Why was that information used for the overtly political purpose of retribution against a man who publicly disagreed with the Administration?, and;

3) Why has no action been taken against this crime in over two years?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 05:46 PM
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24. As Frank Rich notes: "It is about the president of the United States."
It is about a plot that was hatched at the top of the administration and in which everyone else, Mr. Rove included, are at most secondary players.

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This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit - the big enchilada, to borrow a 1973 John Ehrlichman phrase from the Nixon tapes - is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war, not the unmasking of a C.I.A. operative who posed for Vanity Fair.

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Next to White House courtiers of their rank, Mr. Wilson is at most a Rosencrantz or Guildenstern. The brief against the administration's drumbeat for war would be just as damning if he'd never gone to Africa. But by overreacting in panic to his single Op-Ed piece of two years ago, the White House has opened a Pandora's box it can't slam shut. Seasoned audiences of presidential scandal know that there's only one certainty ahead: the timing of a Karl Rove resignation. As always in this genre, the knight takes the fall at exactly that moment when it's essential to protect the king.

From Follow the Uranium

By FRANK RICH


July 17, 2005

Link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?hp=&pagewanted=print


In this case, I do not think Mr Rove's resignation will matter much to Mr Fitzgerald.

And, whether a reporter ever asks the very appropriate questions you list, I think it certain Mr Fitzgerald will be asking Mr Bu$h those questions, under oath.

The illegal war on Iraq and the illegal ongoing occupation of Iraq are Mr Bu$h's crimes, first and foremost.

If we ever want 'America' to mean anything other than just another imperialistic state, we must prosecute Mr Bu$h, first and foremost. That is our responsibility as citizens of a Nation that has now committed war crimes and other atrocities against humanity. If we do not, we are no different than Bu$h.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us


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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 05:59 PM
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26. "It is about the president of the United States."
Yes and the damnable wars and their excuses to wage war...



The World According to the Neo-Con Sympathisers

By Yamin Zakaria

07/16/05 "ICH" - - Almost everyday I get email responses to my essays, usually containing lots of two word expletives, e.g. “sand nigger”, “rag head”, “towel head”, “eat shit”, “sheep lover”; almost all the emails originate from within the US. Apart from intellectual bankruptcy, the replies also indicate a deep-seated hatred, shaped by a fanatical mindset. Since stereotyping is wrong, I did ask myself the question, are those Americans, exceptional or typical.

Perhaps this is the result of ‘educating’ Americans at one level by people like Thomas Friedman, Charles Krauthammer and Daniel Pipes. At a more basic level, it is the result of getting informed by Hollywood movies, Jerry Springer, Fox-TV and the likes. Fox-TV is where you get to see analytical ‘debates’ between an extreme neo-con and a moderate neo-con! I came to this conclusion after encountering claims like, Afghans are Arabs, Muslims are a race, Muslims are idol or moon worshippers, and Muslims are engaging in forced conversion in the Darfur region, being all Muslims, maybe they are forcing each other to convert from Islam to Islam!

Anyway, I began to think about those two word responses, and thought of the possibility of my being both, wrong and a “sand nigger”. There after, I renounced all my previous writings, written whilst I was clearly misguided and brainwashed by the Arabs and Muslim terrorists. What the neo-cons are saying makes perfect sense, indeed Bush is guided by the Divine. Listed below is my new view of history and the world. So, let us proceed with the issues, fasten your seat belts, sit tight and I will show you the world according to the neo-cons, Zionists, right-wing Republicans, fundamentalist Christians and the KKK.

Muslims are Violent and Terrorists

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9485.htm
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:49 PM
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29. Wow, that would be great -- Bu$h testifying under oath
It's hard to believe though that he'll ever consent to do it without $heney there to help him through it.

But I sure do hope that you're right about that.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:45 PM
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30. If we do our job, it will not be a matter of his consenting to testify...
...he will either testify or be in contempt of court.

Press on.

Bu$h the traitor must stand trial.

Bu$h the war criminal must stand trial.

Bu$h the torturer must stand trial.

The guy has a rap sheet a mile long and growing every day.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us


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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:38 PM
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35. Very well said
:thumbsup:
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