AP Story: Rove's Emailed a Security Officer re: Cooper/Plame Leak

[writes2000]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050715/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_rove_11;_ylt=ApdABQZkFgyNSVafv1IueKVZJ_wA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

What does this mean?

[democracyindanger]

1. Might have something to with rules about security clearances

Part of the security clearance agreement is that if you hear information that you think might be classified from a source that doesn't have security clearance, you have to talk to a security officer--but you're still not supposed to confirm that it's classified to the un-cleared source.

[writes2000]

7. I think Rove's side released to show his "intent"

But I wonder if this won't get him into more trouble. Why is he talking to a security officer about this unless there was something more than just political going on?

[Catrina]

18. True, but that's exactly

what he didn't do. He was letting Hadley know that he had stopped Cooper from writing an article that would have been damaging to Bush about Wilson's op/ed!

[democracyindanger]

19. You're right

Just kinda put 2 and 2 together--so the OP may be right that in an attempt to defend himself, he's just making things worse.

I'd better get to Costco and buy more popcorn.

[FormerRepublican]

2. Well...

...it means Rove's too stupid to give the NSA a heads-up that the press is about to publically out an important CIA officer working on WMD. It means the NSA, who should know Wilson's wife is CIA, is too stupid to put a stop to it when he gets Rove's email. It means Rove STILL outed Plame by both confirming her CIA status to Novak AND being the happy first person to break national security with Time and inform Cooper that Plame was CIA.

In short, it means NO ONE in the White House gives a flying leap about national security.

If I were CIA, I'd quit.

If I were Fitzgerald, I'd clean house and put a boatload of people in jail to send a message to political clowns aspiring to a White House job that national security is IMPORTANT and American lives are at stake!!

:grr:

[writes2000]

10. Well, you summed it right up, LOL. And I agree.

[Jawja]

17. It's been obvious to some of us

for awhile that this White House doesn't give a damn about national security. After all, September 11 was on THEIR watch and they were warned repeatedly.

After, they still cozy up to the Saudis, who supplied and funded terrorists.

Perhaps this story will wake the sleeping sheeple that they are NOT safer with these thugs in power.

[txindy]

26. That's a great way to sum it all up.

I hope Fitzgerald does exactly as you've suggested. They certainly deserve it.

[understandinglife]

28. Totally accurate. And, selectively releasing this email is ultra-dumb ...

... for several reasons, among them being the equivalent of poking a stick at a rattle-snake - in this case poking a stick at Fitzgerald.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[ewagner]

3. Another leak favorable to Rove

which means the WH spin machine is operating at full tilt...

the memo to Hadley apparently backs up Rove's assertions about his conversations with Time Magazine....it also shows that he was leary of the reporters questions and tried to discredit Wilson.

this won't help him in the long run if Fitzgerald indicts him.

[lancdem]

14. I think this is a preemptive strike

to set up Rove's defense in case of indictment, which must be a real fear.

[Jack Rabbit]

4. It means the Hadley knew that Rove told Cooper something

It does not make it clear what he told Hadley about the person Rove knew to be both in the CIA and Wilson's wife.

[Dems Will Win]

5. Hadley is the "Vulcan" neo-con

who lied about the whole 16 words on Niger and the CIA, taking the fall for it and then being promoted to NSA Chief when Rice went to State.

By not calling the reporters back immediately and asking them not to reveal the name before publication, both men violated the Classified Information Non-Disclosure Agreement that all must sign with security clearance.

By the way there is a specific clause that states CONFIRMING classified information is the same as actually revealing it!!

[imenja]

6. Hadley may be part of the cover up

Tonight on the NewsHour, Mark Shields said Fitzgerald is focusing on the cover up that followed the leak. That tells me various Bush officials may very well have perjured themselves to protect Rove. It's possible Hadley was part of that cover up.

[writes2000]

8. Interesting. I don't know Shields. Is he a good source?

[imenja]

12. yes, here is a link to the report

Here is a link. At the bottom of the page you'll find a link to the audio file. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/

Shields is a syndicated columnist and longtime contributer to the PBS NewsHour.

[ClintonTyree]

9. To me it means......

more disinformation that means nothing in the context of the prosecutor's investigation.

What we have seen today is mass leaking of facts that have bo bearing on the prosecutor's investigation, but are all well stated to imply that KKKarl Rove is just an innocent pawn caught in a web of reporters' deceit. :eyes:

Has anyone else noticed the massive influx of information today intended to paint KKKarl as the victim here? They're shooting their wad here, using everything they have in their arsenal of bullshit to protect Rove. At least they want to sway the court of public opinion and get the heat off Rove and the White House, at least temporarily, IMO.

[writes2000]

11. And if I were Fitzgerald I'd be pissed off

The same methods of misinformation and manipulation are what got them in the trouble in the first place.

And Rove's lawyers are working awfully hard here. They are definitely scared.

[lancdem]

24. Agreed

[RagAss]

13. Your Right

But this only buys them a temporary stay.

[FormerRepublican]

16. Yes...

...and all they're really doing is proving that he really is guilty - not only of outing Plame, but of totally STUPID handling of national security information.

They're digging his grave.

Since Bush is more than happy to ignore this mishandling of classified information (since we know he knows NOW, even if he didn't know THEN), then Bush himself is violating national security by not revoking their clearances and launching an immediate investigation into the leaks in his administration. Bush is violating HIS OWN CLEARANCE by doing nothing.

:grr: :nuke:

[lancdem]

21. Yes, and it all came out after Cooper testified on Wednesday

I think Rove may have just been informed he's a target of the investigation, which means indictment is coming. This is an effort to set up a defense in advance, and try to convince the public he's not guilty.

[writes2000]

23. Ahhh, that makes alot of sense.

[lancdem]

27. I posted on this earlier

In an AP story today, Rove's attorney Luskin is quoted as saying Rove was informed when he last testified in October 2004 that he wasn't a target; until a few days ago, Luskin had been saying Rove was not CURRENTLY a target. Why the change? I also doubt they'd be dumping this stuff in the public domain unless they thought Fitzgerald was ready to move.

[Catrina]

15. Looks like

he emailed Hadley to tell him that he had successfully squashed a story that Time/Cooper was about to write, which would have said that Wilson's op/ed was very damaging to Bush. Sounds like he was delighted with himself, and wanted to let Hadley know.

Odd, isn't it, that he never tried to stop Novak from outing an undervcover agent, though?

It's easy to see where this man's priorities are. He has a chance to stop a lead from getting into the paper, but makes no attempt to do so. He is far more worried about keeping damaging information to his boss out of the paper.

According to Henry Waxman, there is a statute that could mean Rove did commit a crime by participating, even in a passive way, in outing an agent. I do not have a link, but I read it today somewhere. However, you would think that the minute Novak told him what he was about to do, if he cared about his country, he would have told him not to.

These people are guilty as hell!! Every action they took was against this country ~ the more you learn about it, the more obvious it becomes!!

[peacetalksforall]

20. This all proves that their entire whouse was in on this. n/t

[MGKrebs]

22. "After mentioning a CIA operative to a reporter..."

That's the first sentence and that's all we need to know.

[w13rd0]

25. If he talked to a security officer...

...he frickin KNEW she was covert. And someone in the administration KNOWINGLY outted a covert agent, and Rove confirmed, and assisted in the cover-up, and is assisting to this day in attempting to cover-up and befuddle the issues, and slander those that are investigating and questioning.

[Catrina]

29. Yes, and the OP

says that he emailed Hadley to let him know he 'did not bite' when Cooper asked if Wilson's op/ed was harmful to Bush. He has tried to twist his conversation with Cooper to make it look like he was trying to stop him from writing a story that was not accurate!

That means that Hadley knew he intended to do that. To put that much effort into stopping an article that would harm Bush, although it would have informed the public that false information was given to the public. He obstructed justice by doing that. The public had a right to know.

I agree with you that he knew she was covert ~ and I think the 'someone in the WH' who outed her is either Cheney himself (who has been MIA since this all came out, btw) or Scooter Libbey, or maybe even Bush himself, who probably would have to be told by Cheney since he doesn't read.

It seems to me they are all in trouble. That email doesn't help Rove ~ it shows that when he wants to, he makes an effort to squash harmful stories. But it raises the question 'did he do that when Novak let him know he was about to out an undercover agent?' ~ a way more harmful story ~