A guest named Paul Williams was featured on two RW am shows

[whistle]

....Michael Savage where I caught only the last four minutes tonight in Orlando at 9:56 pm and the George Nory Show, Coast to Coast which is a one day delayed broadcast into our market and runs from 9:00pm to 10:am. So this is the same guest being simultaneously broadcast but in reality was on two sequential nights.

This Paul Williams claims that Osama Bin Laden has in fact already planted 20 suitcase nuclear devices in major U.S. cities and is only waiting for the right opportunity and time to detonate these. That's what I heard at the tail end of the real time broadcast of the Michael Savage show tonight at 10:00pm.

Then I switch over to the Coast to Coast Show, George Nory, has the same guest on, but I'm getting this show in delayed broadcast from last evening and the same guest Paul Williams is on and it's the call-in portion so I missed what he had to report, but I got a flavor from Nory's comments and the callers who were anywhere from total skepticism to outrage to panic. Then as Williams ends his interview at roughly 11:00pm he says that Warren Buffet the multi-billionaire claims that a nuclear attack on the U.S. by terrorists is a certainty and it's only a matter of when.

This guy has no web site, no book in print supporting this, but has been brought on the make his research public. My questions are these: 1) Do we have here in this person of Paul Williams, an unknown so-called expert real factual information that the public and the government must act on immediately; 2) Is this an Ultra right wing propaganda ploy to instill even more fear and panic into the public so that the Bush government can exert even greater control by removing more constitutional freedoms from the general population; or 3) Is this guy a total hoax, another Jeff Gannon type if you will, who duped two conservative talk shows into believing they have scooped everyone?

P.S. This is NOT the Paul Williams composer and Planet of the Apes and Muppet's fame.

[BattyDem]

1. If he knows ...

that Bin Laden has planted 20 suitcase nuclear devices in major U.S. cities, then I believe the FBI or Homeland Security should pick him up. How could he possibly know that if he doesn't have terrorist connections?

If he doesn't have connections, but he got a tip from someone in our government, then that would mean BushCo knows about the bombs and is doing nothing to find them and/or protect this country.

Either way, Mr. Williams should be considered a "person of interest" by US law enforcement.

[whistle]

3. That came up in the Q&As on Nory's show and he claims that he has assemble

...all these conclusions, from publicly available intelligence from Israel, Russia, UK and other sources. I about fell off my chair! Nory never even challenged the guy. I translate that as meaning newspapers, blogs and probably internet chat sites.

[seabeyond]

2. then bushie boy really isnt doing his job, once again

or does he get credit for obl having 20 suitcases sittin in major cities waiting to go off. no one told bush not to go after the terrorists

[whistle]

4. That exactly what George Nory's guset was saying...

[WillyT]

5. Have You Seen These ???

Is The top article the guy you reference???

Link: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=paul+williams+nuclear&btnG=Search+News

:shrug:

[WillyT]

7. And More...

Link: http://images.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paul+Williams%2C+former+FBI+consultant+&btnG=Google+Search

:hi:

[whistle]

11. I'm seeing that these are calling Williams a former CIA agent...

...and FBI consultant which I did not hear reference to on either show because I tuned in late to both. But, what does that imply, former agent to the top U.S. intelligence body and federal law enforcement bureau, but that he, Williams , is formerly associate with both and is now free lance author using declassified intelligence as material for a book to be published in September? I don't know about this.

[whistle]

8. That most definitely sounds like the guy, unfortunately I....

...tuned into both shows late and missed the introductions, Thanks that's worth posting in total:

<snip>
AL-QAEDA'S AMERICAN HIROSHIMA PLAN
by MNA PRESS

WorldNetDaily Editor Joseph Farah has written a chilling article about al Qaeda’s “American Hiroshima” plan to use nuclear weapons to kill a minimum of four million Americans living in and near the cities of Washington, D.C., New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and Las Vegas. Farah’s sources, a former FBI consultant and various others involved in immigration and security, claim al Qaeda wishes to target children, killing at least two million of them, in order to permanently bring down “The Great Satan” and avenge America’s crimes against the Arab and Muslim world.

Farah bases his article largely on Paul Williams, former FBI consultant and author of an upcoming book, "The al-Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse." Farah quotes William’s book revealing in great detail the al Qaeda credentials to launch such a plan. According to captured al-Qaeda leaders and documents, the plan involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

The article claims Al-Qaeda has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, it says documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market. These weapons were obtained with the assistance of former Soviet special operations agents paid by Osama bin Laden and Russian and Pakistani scientists are reportedly helping bin Laden further develop them. The alarming news is that many of these weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.

President George W. Bush is aware of these findings and has taken action against them, but he has yet to take control of the U.S.-Mexican border, where both terrorists and weapons are entering the U.S. This is very serious, very serious. God told His people in 2 Chronicles 7:14, “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” If you are one of God’s people and a patriot, you need to pray. You need to act. We are not called by a spirit of fear, but one of boldness in Jesus Christ. We must now deploy “our” weapon—the Spirit of Truth, the Word of God.

<end snip>

[bobbieinok]

21. isn't World Net Daily a RW 'news' source?????

[whistle]

26. Quite possibly, I'm not advocating for any RW propaganda.....

....media, I am attempting only to establish if any of this is credible or not.

[whistle]

6. I should add that this Paul Williams claims that of the 20 locations

...where these suitcase nuclear devices (he avoided saying bombs), the most likely cities that the devices have already been planted in are (in order as he mentioned):

Boston
New York City
Washington DC
Miami FL
Las Vegas
Los Angeles

These he claims are locations where there is a high certainty. He added that a number of our U.S. cities are possibilities but did not name any by name.

[seabeyond]

19. talking this with husband to see if hit in major city around us

what it would do to us. and nothing. plus thinking further with him, 20 suitcases, what town would we hit. going off this list i started adding seattle, denver.............

he says, i would hit hoover dam, mount rushmore, yellowstone, the places that mean something to us that no one would be able to go back to, plus the major places like dc and ny

i hadnt thought about that, but good points

[whistle]

27. Those national monuments would certainly enrage many...

...Americans, but the destruction of life seems to be the main objective of terrorists. But, I am not convinced that foreign terrorists are necessarily behind this. It could be domestic terrorists like those behind the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing. These people would be much more likely to find and move weapons of mass destruction and not be suspects under this administration's mind set on terrorists.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

9. Link at Steve Quayle's Site

There was a link about this at Steve Quayle's site a few days ago.

Suitcase and Other Nukes

WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida Nukes Already in U.S.

WorldNetDaily got the story from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin

[whistle]

15. Yes, these sound like what the theme of the discussions were...

...so there is stuff on the web about it and this guy Paul Williams has been connected to those features as a source and reference. Given that at least 20 such devices are here in the U.S. right now, why are we in Iraq? Why did we ever go to Iraq when it was known back in 2001 right after 9-11 that al Quaida already had at least two of these devices here? What has BushCo done to stop these devices from entering the U.S. or really how effective have the measures been by BushCo inn stopping these from coming into the U.S.? Apparently not effective at all since there are now twenty with over a dozen major cities threatened.

On the other hand this could be totally bogus, Williams being a CIA/FBI misinformation plant. Who knows?

[madeline_con]

17. From the mouths of babes...

I clicked on Farah's link, and as I was looking at the site, my 10 year old came into the room.

He looked at the page, and asked, "Is this stuff like, fake?"


:think:

[Must_B_Free]

10. Paul Williams - the short blonde singer?

[whistle]

12. I just knew it could not be that Paul Williams

[Must_B_Free]

13. I love him on the Odd Couple

He was that cuddly little 70's guy

[madeline_con]

14. "Paul Williams - the short blonde singer?"

That's who immediately came to mind when I saw this thread.

:rofl:

[whistle]

16. Could be right, if the guy is jerking these RW show hosts around

...he might adopt such a popular entertainer's name, just like Deep Throat did.

[madeline_con]

18. "... adopt such a popular entertainer's name ...

... just like Deep Throat did."

Deep Throat wasa very popular "entertainer". :rofl:

[whistle]

23. No, not an entertainer but a well know porno movie of the time....

...poor choice of words on my part :shrug:

[Oversea Visitor]

20. Dont Laugh at this

This is not question of wheather they will....
IT IS MORE OF DO THEY HAVE IT?

Stop it.

I pray that this is not true.
But as long as the US people allow all this evil to continue in Iraq
this is a reality the people in US has to face.

Mr Bush you say "Bring it on " What if they really do? What are you going to tell the American people? Which country are you going to Nuke back? How many are you going to kill? What will the World do?

IS ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD GOING TO SAVE YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS?

Iraq war is illegal. Your conquest and your imagine greatest is creating a reality of an Haroshima ending. You dug a pit of evil so deep and you have drag the world into this madness.

Our Goverments cant stop Bush. The UN cant stop Bush. People around the world cant stop Bush. Who wants a World War?

Only the Americans People can stop BUSH.

Where will this end?
When will this end?
What need to happen to end this?
It is too late?

Mr Bush how do you end this War on Terror you created?
Tell me how are you going to fight this Terror.... 20 NUKES in 20 US cities if this is TRUE? Do you have a plan?Or it is just another
OSAMA INTENT TO ATTACK US CITIES and you still on MY PET ROVE

[whistle]

24. I'm not laughing, I agree that the administration under Bush's....

...non-leadership is allowing a dangerous situation to again go well beyond any control. Their color alert system has no effect in preventing terrorism, only acts to create more fear and paralyze the country as well as the agencies designed to protect from getting to the real root of the problem.

Bush appears to be willing to allow 20 possible suitcase nuclear devices to go off in the United States killing millions of innocent people, people he has been elected to protect to further his own ambition and the neo-conservative political agenda. That is a travesty!

[Emit]

22. Funny you should mention this...

Two days ago, I woke up to my daughter's radio blaring her favorite radio program. It's usually these three DJ's playing grab ass, but that morning, they were discussing these following articles regarding nukes already in the US, planted by Muslim terrorists. I listened and it didn't take long for me to be outraged. They were reading various parts of these articles and then talking hypotheticals, and saying things like, "if this happens, we will nuke the Middle East until it glows, blah, blah, blah..."

They ranted and raved about this for over an hour, and used it as a way to spread hate and prejudice against all Muslims and Middle-Easterners. People were calling in saying things like, "Yeah, I've been telling everyone for years that they own all the 7-11's and wonder what they keep in the back of their stores...." or "If they set off a nuke and kill a million of us, we will take revenge by rounding up all olive-skinned people who are not Mexican or African...blah, blah, blah." I tried to call in, to get the name of the report they were reading from, to ask if this report is credible, to ask what their point was, whether it was to merely rile the American public to hate Middle Easterners.

I found their website, and they have links to these four articles they were "discussing":

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-11-poll-americans-terror_x.htm
Americans expect attack, poll finds
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45194
Monday, July 11, 2005
HOMELAND INSECURITY
Intel analyst: Attack
on U.S. imminent
Former Israeli agent says
government not preparing citizens
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Terrorists will try to carry out an attack on the United States within the next 90 days, a former Israeli counterterrorism intelligence officer predicts.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/21/wmd.threat/index.html
'High risk' of WMD attack in decade
U.S. survey finds more nations will acquire nuclear weapons
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.
Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters
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Here's a little background on Joseph Farah. This site, ConWebWatch, has been following him and others (Internet-based conservative "news" organizations NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, CNSNews.com., and conservative media "watchdogs" Media Research Center and Accuracy in Media) and debunking their articles:

From ConWebWatch:
<<snip>>
The Internet has spawned a plethora of "alternative" news sources. Some of them -- with substantial backing from political conservatives -- claim to offer some version of the “real truth,” the stories you suppposedly don’t get from “mainstream” media.

In reality, these sites are no less slanted or arrogant than they accuse the "mainstream" media of being. They demonstrate time and again that, despite promoting themselves with words like "fairness," "responsibility," "accuracy" and "balance," their real goal is to attack and discredit anyone who doesn’t agree with them, as well as to promote their own political views -- the same exact thing they accuse the "liberal" media of doing.

<<snip>>

Millions of dollars have been poured into the creation and promotion of these conservative web sites, with money coming from such sources as Richard Mellon Scaife and the usual armada of conservative foundations. Additionally, conservative talk radio hosts often use these conservative news sites as sources of topics to discuss on their shows, giving the slanted, distorted and, on occasion, just plain inaccurate stories that appear on these sites an even greater audience.

The goal of ConWebWatch is to document the distortions, excesses and hypocrisy of these conservative media sites. Using their own words, ConWebWatch hoists the conservative media on the petard of hypocrisy, accuracy and objectivity.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/about.html
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If you go to that site, and search Joseph Farah, you'll find a great deal of his articles and this site's responses to his articles:

Farah is founder, editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2002/wndown.html
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Media Matters follows him, too:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200409160002

WorldNetDaily.com (WND) founder, editor, and CEO Joseph Farah denied that WorldNetDaily is "conservative." On the September 14 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, host and former Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL) introduced Farah as "the founder and editor of WorldNetDaily.com, a conservative website." Farah responded, "WorldNetDaily is not a conservative news site. We have never described ourselves that way. ...

<<snip>>

Farah appeared on Scarborough Country to discuss whether "conservative Internet bloggers" could "bring down CBS News' Dan Rather" over the controversial memos exposed by CBS's 60 Minutes.

<<snip>>

Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented conservative misinformation being propagated by WorldNetDaily.com:
* WND columnist and author Bob Kohn fabricated evidence that Senator John Kerry was having an affair with a New York Times reporter.
* WorldNetDaily.com columnist and White House correspondent Les Kinsolving distorted a 1973 statement by Senator John McCain (R-AZ) to smear Kerry.
* WorldNetDaily.com news reports have repeated discredited charges against Kerry's Vietnam war record; distorted a speech by progressive financier and philanthropist George Soros; and claimed that weapons of mass destruction were discovered in Iraq.

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He's an Arab-American Christian Reconstructionist and wrote a book called Taking Back America:

http://www.exilemm.com/e-sub-newwave.shtml
<<snip>>
Taking America Back does not advocate separatism or secession, although its author, Joseph Farah, says it may be time to "reconsider" the issue. What Farah does advocate is cultural revolution, in which Christians and Jews would take back America using the "long march through the institutions" approach conceived by Marxist Antonio Gramsci. This means reclaiming State and local governments, schools, media and the arts from the atheist left.


http://afajournal.org/2003/may/503_farrah_dw.html
<<snip>>
And how to go about doing that? First and foremost, Farah says Americans must repent and humbly seek God’s help. In addition, he urges a “second American Revolution,” through which the “people must once again take control of their government – not beginning with their elected representatives in Washington, but right in their own backyards” (through involvement on town councils, county commissions, etc.).

He also advocates, among a long list of actions, withdrawing from the United Nations, the World Trade Organization and other “globalist traps;” eliminating all foreign aid; privatizing all federal lands; and abolishing the income tax and the IRS.

For fighting back and restoring liberty to America, Farah suggests twelve steps that include home-schooling children, using local power to resist federal intrusion and mandates, and insulating children from the effects of the popular culture.

On the moral front, Farah says it is imperative that the church come out of its protective shell and become involved once again in civic activities and politics. He acknowledges that the government discourages civic involvement by pastors, priests and rabbis.
<<snip>>
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Farah writes and pushes pure propaganda for the neocons and the fanatical Christian Reconstructionists, the latter of which who want to turn our nation into a Christian nation in preparation for the return of Christ (It calls for Christian dominion over government and the enforcement of the general principles of Old Testament moral law, see, for example:
http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Christian_Reconstructionism )

Edited for spelling

[whistle]

25. Thanks for the post and the list of links....

...these are fanatical elements in our country who see this kind of event as an opportunity for a Right Wing takeover of power and the abolishment of all civil liberties in this country and establish a single theocratic political party.