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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:52 PM
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Ready for an irony overload? Want a side of hypocrisy with that?
Edited on Sun Jun-26-05 04:32 PM by nonconformist
*Quotegasm*

From the Republican Party Platform at the 2000 convention:
www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/conventions/republican/features/platform.00/

  • "The arrogance, inconsistency, and unreliability of the administration's diplomacy have undermined American alliances, alienated friends, and emboldened our adversaries."

  • "Nor should the intelligence community be made the scapegoat for political misjudgments. A Republican administration working with the Congress will respect the needs and quiet sacrifices of these public servants as it strengthens America's intelligence and counter-intelligence capabilities and reorients them toward the dangers of the future."

  • "The current administration has casually sent American armed forces on dozens of missions without clear goals, realizable objectives, favorable rules of engagement, or defined exit strategies. Over the past seven years, a shrunken American military has been run ragged by a deployment tempo that has eroded its military readiness. Many units have seen their operational requirements increased four-fold, wearing out both people and equipment."

  • "The rule of law, the very foundation for a free society, has been under assault, not only by criminals from the ground up, but also from the top down. An administration that lives by evasion, coverup, stonewalling, and duplicity has given us a totally discredited Department of Justice."

  • "Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate training, and rapidly declining readiness."





On Clinton's military action in Kosovo:


  • "President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." -- Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

  • "No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it." -- Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

  • "If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." -- Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

  • "I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area." -- Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

  • "You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo." -- Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

  • "Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years" -- Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

  • "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" -- Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

  • "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -- Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

  • "This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem." -- Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)





Tom DeLay. Defender of feeding tubes. Keeper of lobbiest bribes. Master of sanctimony.

    On Kosovo:
  • "American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy." -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

  • "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today" -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

  • "You can support the troops but not the president" -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

  • Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly." -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

    On Bosnia:
  • "The President now needs to show leadership, consistently and with great clarity, from devising an exit strategy to developing favorable rules of engagement, from defining the criteria of success to detailing the timetables of operations. We have learned the hard way in this country that muddled military missions lacking clear leadership hurt our national credibility while putting our troops in harm's way." -- Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


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Doomy Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:57 PM
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1. I am against all wars
even the Kosova thing. It was a muslim siutation too. We should sit down with the muslims and talk it out. Do they have a muslim pope or someone like that? Does anyone know? Talking things out is better than war. Gandi and Dr. King proved that.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:03 PM
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7. The problem there
and in Bosnia is that the Muslims were being slaughtered.

We earned a lot of political good will by going in and protecting the Muslims there, good will that we have totally blown.

So blaming the Muslims for being ethnically cleansed is like blaming the Jews for the holocaust.

BTW, the people being killed in Darfur are predominantly Muslim too.

It's not a Muslim problem, it's a crazy extremist problem.

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Doomy Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:08 PM
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9. I stand corrected
you are right. We built some good will and now it is blown. It wouldn't surprise me if bu$h tried to get that Milsoveik character out of prison.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:16 PM
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14. I bet they're pen pals
I bet bush learned everything he knows about torture from that dude.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:06 PM
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8. Actually it was a Christian thing.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:11 PM
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12. yikes - no Milosevic was the agressor
feeding on the ethnic divisions within the former Yugoslavian republics.... feeding fire of hatred for "others" - needing that ongoing hate to fuel loyalty to him... needing to dehumanize the other in order to aggressively act to take more land and power.

Perhaps brushing up on recent history might not be a bad idea.
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Doomy Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:44 PM
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17. I should
brush up. Everyone here seems so smart. I was not that good a student in school but I have my GED now. I am not totally dumb or anything because I supported Dr. Dean and then voted for Kerry. We need smart guys like that in charge, not the dumbass guys like bu$h.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:01 PM
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20. degrees don't make intelligence...
nor do they demonstrate intelligence. We all start somewhere...

I have read news daily and deeper news periodical for twenty years - thus I have run across a lot of information over the years. This is a good place to start (lbn and editorial - where current items are ofen logged.)

We need wise people who are not blinded by ideology to the point where they stop looking at real facts as a basis for their policies. When they don't - esp if they have an agenda for seeking consolidation of power - then they act like dumb*sses like teambush.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:37 PM
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30. I agree
I was never very wise either and had some trouble in school myself. I've just recently become a political junkie so I read all types of stuff here on DU. It's a nice place to learn. ;)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:53 PM
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43. They sure don't.
Bush has degrees from Yale and Harvard. 'nuff said.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:25 PM
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35. Don't worry about it
we all have areas where our knowledge isn't ship shape. Unfortunately, often here in General Discussion people can be, well, mean, for lack of a better word.

Welcome to DU Doomy. Cute username.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:35 PM
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29. Didn't you know
that peace talks are sooooo old school? :sarcasm:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:44 PM
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42. "Talking things out" isn't good for business.
The very very very rich profit from war--throughout history always have and always will unless we put an end to it.

They profit from right vs left, Jew vs Christian vs Muslim, etc., profit from pitting one nation's interest, one races' interest against another. They are not interested in your interests unless those interests are profitable to them.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:57 PM
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2. Thanks Bookmarked
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Athame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:59 PM
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3. Sickening. These people have no shame, no shame.
:kick: and recommend. Thanks, nonconformist!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:59 PM
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4. Geez
You're right: Irony overload.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:01 PM
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5. Can I have some ketchup for my Failure Fries?
And an antacid, too, because I'm not sure I can keep all that hypocrisy down...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:03 PM
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6. I can't even finish this post at one reading.
The cognitive dissonance alone will make me hysterical.

:rofl:
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:09 PM
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10. My jaw fell off like 5, 6 times just compiling it. nt
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:11 PM
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11. hilarious and astounding
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:14 PM
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13. I think Lugar's quotation is the worst
By the way, the CNN link to the Repug platform doesn't work, at least for me.

But, great post.

b_b

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:27 PM
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15. and when the war turned out to be a success
without a single American death, then Clinton can say that he did it without any help from Lugar or the Republicans.

Same with the economy. Congress passed Clinton's 1993 budget without a single republican vote, and in the face of rhetoric predicting a depression.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:38 PM
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31. Of course
When Clinton didn't have any single military person killed it's called a failure etc. and when Bush has over 1,700 (if that's the number) then it's a success and we're on the path to "victory." Simply disgusting!

:mad: :puke:
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:37 PM
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16. Fixed. DU was truncating the link when formatted
*grumble*

Links are truly the bane of my existence today.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:46 PM
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18. I vote for Karen Hughes and Bush*
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." -- Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -- Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:39 PM
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32. Oh good grief!!!
That Bush one really gets me. Now they're saying we can't have a exit strategy because it'll give away our plans to the "insurgents"! AHHH!!!!!!!! :banghead:
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:09 PM
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36. I don't think I can narrow it down to one
Each one seems to have that special something...
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:54 PM
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19. "*Quotegasm*"
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I love it!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:17 PM
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21. Good Grief! What goes around comes around! n/t
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:21 PM
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22. Dude!!! This is the most excellent and righteous post I've seen
in a long time. Can I copy it and propogate it around the web? Kicking and nominating!
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:27 PM
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23. Absolutely! nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:33 PM
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24. No wonder these people give me a friggin' headache.
I've bookmarked and will print this out.

These particular Republican groupies make me sick!!!!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 11:38 AM
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41. Aren't they just disgusting?
Its really sickening.
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:16 PM
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25. Bumped, nominated and swiped for use .....
on at least one other message board. Much thanks!
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:31 PM
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26. Just sent the link to this thread to my local daily rag.

Rumor has it they're looking for a Pulitzer, and I'll bet if they wrote this one up they'd get it. Wasn't that convention here in San Diego? Woohoo!
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vademocrat Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:33 PM
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27. Great job - Definitely a keeper!
I've been using Delay's "You can support the troops but not the president" for a while but having all of these in one location is wonderful - Thank you!
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:35 PM
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28. Sorry, man....
I'm only the 15th to recommend this.


Great job!

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:51 PM
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33. EXCELLENT!!!
Nominated! :kick:
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:14 PM
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34. The Hannity quote is hilarious!
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" -- Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99


It's funny because we didn't lose a single American life. Fucking morAn.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 05:57 PM
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45. I bet you'd never hear him utter it now that 1742 and counting are dead nt
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:50 PM
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37. Wow...
projection, anyone?
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:19 AM
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38. God, i love it...
I love it when you prove people/pundits wrong, by using their own words against them, its damn priceless....thanks!
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 11:24 AM
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39. Kick!
:kick:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 11:31 AM
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40. A bookmark and a reccomendation
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 03:40 PM
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44.  All I can say is
:wow: :grr:
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