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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:16 AM
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Maj. Gen.:"99.9 per cent" of those captured fighting the U.S. were Iraqis!
Edited on Sat Jun-25-05 07:40 AM by leftchick
NOT Foreign fighters or "terrists"!

It started last week. I noticed all three networks had "exclusives" about the foreign fighters entering into Iraq. Then every criminal from this administration has repeated it ad - naseum all week on TV. It is their new reason we are in Iraq. The "fight them there so we don't fight them here" proof!! And it is Horse SHIT!

The Majority of the rebels fighting the US troops are Homegrown Iraqis with a purpose. They want the USA the fuck out of their country. PERIOD!

Of course the ameriKans will buy the WH LIES repeated over and over with help from a complicit RW Media machine.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm


Two years after President George W. Bush proclaimed "mission accomplished" in Iraq, some thoughtful officers are beginning to question who the insurgents actually are. In a recent interview the head of the US 42nd Infantry Division which covers key trouble spots, including Baquba and Samarra Major General Joseph Taluto said he could understand why some ordinary Iraqis would take up arms against U.S. forces because "they're offended by our presence." Taluto added, "If a good, honest person feels having all these Humvees driving on the road, having us moving people out of the way, having us patrol the streets, having car bombs going off, you can understand how they could (want to fight us). There is a sense of a good resistance, or an accepted resistance. They say 'okay, if you shoot a coalition soldier, that's okay, it's not a bad thing but you shouldn't kill other Iraqis.'" Taluto insisted however that the other foreign forces would not be driven out of Iraq by violence, observing, "If the goal is to have the coalition leave, attacking them isn't the way," he said. "The way to make it happen is to enter the political process cooperate and the coalition will be less aggressive and less visible and eventually it'll go away." Taluto's comments are sure to raise hackles at the Pentagon, which insist that all insurgents are either Baathists or al-Qaida. Taluto observed that "99.9 per cent" of those captured fighting the U.S. were Iraqis.


American officials have changed their minds apparently on the biggest obstacles in the insurgency....

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_insurgency.htm

~snip~

A picture of the composition of the insurgency, though in constant flux, has come into somewhat greater focus. London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates roughly 1,000 foreign Islamic jihadists have joined the insurgency. And there is no doubt many of these have had a dramatic effect on perceptions of the insurgency through high-profile video-taped kidnappings and beheadings. However, American officials believe that the greatest obstacles to stability are the native insurgents that predominate in the Sunni triangle. Significantly, many secular Sunni leaders were being surpassed in influence by Sunni militants. This development mirrors the rise of militant Shia cleric and militia leader Moqtada al-Sadr vis-à-vis the more moderate Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani.

Still, the New York Times article also references military data suggesting roughly 80 percent of violent attacks in Iraq were simply criminal in nature –e.g., ransom kidnappings and hijacking convoys- and without political motivation. This figure lends credence to those who cited the CPA’s disbanding of the Iraqi army as an error likely to create a pool of unemployed and discontented young males ripe for absorption into the insurgency. Further, this statistic highlights the importance of reconstruction, and the revitalization of an economy in Iraq that can provide traditional employment opportunities. Of the remaining 20 percent of violent attacks –those with political motivation- four-fifths are believed attributable to native insurgents as opposed to foreigners.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:19 AM
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1. Hey
You not suppose to know this
Damn a leak in the Media Curtain here go Rove rushing to repair it
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:24 AM
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2. while we are busy trying to correct the damage from the old lies
they are busy creating and disseminating reams of new lies and disinformation. They attack and move on, never stopping to defend their last outrage. We are running around putting out fire after fire never making any headway against the torrent of bullshit. When one of ours finally speaks up and says the obvious, we analyze and deconstruct every phrase looking for something to criticize. The few who dare speak the truth are routinely forced to retract what they have said.

Sometimes it just seems hopeless.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:24 AM
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3. Did Taluto stop drinking his kool-aid ration?
That's not going to help his military career goals.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:29 AM
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4. The rationalizations for failure will last for generations
What this really shows is that the leadership element is totally incompetent. They don't have a clue.

Nothing fails like military failure.

WE KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS BEGINNING WITH THE FIRST IRAQ WAR. WE USED EVERY DEADLY MACHIAVELLIAN TRICK WE KNOW. SUPRISE, SUPRISE, SUPRISE - THEY WANT TO KILL US.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:38 AM
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8. thank you teryang
you said that much better than I.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:36 PM
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14. It's like the joke about justice in Texas
..."In Texas(Iraq), we kill you back!"

(raucous laughter)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:30 AM
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5. So that means that only .1% are INSURGENTS
The term insurgents would make one think they are fighter coming from another nation.

We should refer to them as "Freedom Fighters" the are fighting for the freedom of Iraq from the great oppressor - George W. bu$h!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:34 AM
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7. Don't read too much--it's one guy's stray comment
It's not like he's done polling or anything.

Don't get me wrong--it's a useful perspective to counter the idiotic "Weer fattin' 'em ovah THEY so we don havtuh fattim ovah HEAH" crap we hear. But don't take that 99.9 "stat" to the bank.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:39 AM
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9. I would go with 95%
cuz there sure as hell are a LOT more pissed off Iraqis every day the USA is there.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:43 AM
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10. Still my point is that the majority of them are not INSURGENTS from another
land.
And those who are may be there to help their Muslim brothers in a fight for freedom much as France helped America in the Revolutionary War.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:57 AM
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11. I agree with your point...
only morans and freepers can't see it.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 08:01 AM
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13. And the Maj. Gen.'s remarks support this well. (eom)
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:33 AM
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6. On the Maj. Gen. being quoted: Freepers dissing him
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1419974/posts

If you scroll down the thread you'll find it's all Hitlery and the Clenis' fault, of course!

(I wasn't aware of this, but I guess whenever a military guy wanders off the reservation, the Freeperific take is that some RealMurkin had been retired to allow a BleedinHeart Clinton guy to take over. Interesting.)
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:57 AM
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12. IF MEXICO was fighting off an occupation by BRAZIL, would YOU go fight for
them, just .. "BECAUSE???"

Of course not.

So why would anyone from another impoverished nation go TO iraq to die fighting the US troops FOR iraq?

They wouldn't. It's the nuttiest pack of lies, ever! It's just not happening.
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