*TODAY* Senate to vote on energy clause that will injure Dolphins & Whales

[G_j]

http://usactions.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=53

I have worked for Greenpeace for 14 years, and I've fought against many efforts to exploit the environment during that time. But today, I'm outraged by a proposal in Congress to allow seismic testing along our entire coastline to explore for oil and gas. Seismic blasts have a decibel level of 260 - that's more than twice as loud as an ambulance siren! Whales, dolphins and other marine mammals rely on their sense of hearing to navigate, to locate food and to communicate with each other. Exposure to this level of sound can cause deafening disorientation and can lead to permanent damage, brain hemorrhaging and even cause entire pods of whales and dolphins to beach.

The Senate will vote on this dangerous clause TODAY, so your help is urgently needed.

TAKE ACTION! Protect our Marine Mammals.

http://usactions.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=53
I'm asking you to help me win this fight to protect our marine mammals and our sensitive coastlines. It's urgent that your senators get an earful from you about the dangers of seismic testing for whales and dolphins.

Thank you,

Lisa Finaldi
Campaigns Director

P.S. This issue is serious, and we need all the support we can get. Once you've taken action, please, send this alert to your friends and family too.

[leftchick]

1. Thank you G j

I missed this alert somehow.

[G_j]

7. the email just arrived in my box

a few minutes ago :-) :hi:

[cry baby]

2. done and sent to friends...

it's too bad we didn't know about this earlier. Is it too late to stop it now?

[G_j]

5. hope not..

I guess they are voting on it today sometime. The energy bill itself will still be up for a vote at some point. The whole bill is unacceptable and must be rejected.

what an outrage, more free license for gas and oil interests

[AllyCat]

3. Done. Sent to friends. n/t

[peacebuzzard]

4. Thank for the link. I sent email and signed up for membership info.

I wish this issue had more support and interest. I love the ocean and marine life.

[proud patriot]

6. glad to help

:hi:

[The Stranger]

8. Kick.

[Double T]

9. Done!!! Our Elected Officials Have No Regard For The Living.....

breathing creatures of this planet and will always bow to the oil companies for another buck in their campaign coffers.

[ailsagirl]

11. You can say that again... (DONE and sent to friends)

[SlightlyWorried]

10. It's efforts like this that help send us to Iraq,Good Job.

The association of the Democrats with this kind of non-sense issue is exactly why some people vote Republican.

Thanks for helping to send us to Iraq.

I'm sure that you think that animals are more important than humans. That is a pity and that helps elect the other side. Kudos.

[G_j]

13. but perhaps they are more important

than SUVs, ya think? blame the war on dolphins, thats the ticket!

enjoy your hopefully short stay....... :hi:

[SlightlyWorried]

15. Oh I don't blame the dolphins, I blame you

and other people of your ilk who have extreme views and place yourself in the public eye.

Yes it would be very difficult for the democrats to win even without you tied around their neck since the other side controls the media but you don't help.

And if you think that SUV's are bad then try to rally public support against them. Don't say that the energy needs of humans are less important than the possibility of damage to some unknown number of mammals.

Don't attempt to make the argument that some unknown number of mammals being hurt is more important than billions of dollars of human economic activity. That is a losing argument and it helps lose votes.

[G_j]

17. guess what

you are wasting your time, people here are not stupid enough to believe such RW idiocy. Go share it with the Morans, they might buy it.
:hi:

[MisterP]

36. accidental frontal lobotomy is such a tragedy, don't you agree ,G_j?

[Pow_Wow]

18. protecting dolphins is an extreme view?

:wtf:

[kwolf68]

26. Yes it is

Didn’t Einstein explain it to you.

If you are trying to protect what little bit of nature we have left then you want to kill the economy, foster in socialism, and lose votes. If you care about nature then the “good minded” ‘Mericans won’t vote for you because that is a code word for “job loss”.

Funny how Clinton created 22 million jobs without shit-sacking the environment and now the Boy-King hasn’t done shit for the environment yet somehow someway the economy continues to shit-fester.

The facts don’t add up. Protect environment seems to work hand in hand with a strong economy. The only people a wrecked environment helps are the corporations looking to cost-externalize in the name of “freedom”.

This poster is a wise-use crank. I don’t trust him no matter how many Clinton avatars he sticks up there.

[FrannyD]

33. Agreed

RW extremists love to use "ILK"

[BrightKnight]

38. It's called good government.

Perhaps we should try it again. As long as all decisions are principally about special interest pandering this country will be in the toilet.

There has not been an honest cost benefit Analysis of anything since the Bush administration took power.

[Solon]

19. Don't you mean Americans instead of Humans...

Each individual American, on average, uses 10 times more energy, mostly oil based, per day, than anyone else on the planet. This plan is nothing more than a subsidy for big oil that will devastate the enviroment, and accomplish NOTHING. We don't NEED oil, we use it for convience, and now are practically addicted to it, we NEED to be weaned off the oil teat if we are to prosper as a species, its a limited resource, and we will hit a wall someday, best to put brakes on that runaway train before its too late.

[kwolf68]

22. stop it

Quit making sense.
Actually, as bad as we are I read a study that if the entire world consumed at the same rate of LONDON, England (not near as fanatical as us) we would need 1.5 more planets than our own fully stocked just to keep up with demand.

The arrogance and ignorance surrounding energy is appalling. Had John Kerry spoke to this issue more, instead of trying to out-war the war President, we wouldn’t be looking at the assault of the Aristocracy on every acre of earth that can be purged for profit.

[SlightlyWorried]

28. Americans use more oil due to higher GDP/capita

It's really that simple. The way how our economic system works is that we use oil for everything so the more economic activity there is the more energy that is used.

Someday we will no longer use oil. And that will probably be a good thing. But that is how it works today.

Running on a plan of reducing GDP is not going to win votes. People happen to like prosperity.

I have no problem with some of the sensible initiatives of the greens. Reducing greenhouses gases is a laudable goal. However a rational cost benefit analysis must always be taken wrt. how the policy is implemented. Instead, many greens commonly state that the sky is falling and that we should be willing to shoulder any cost.

A good example of this non-analytic approach to policy is the topic at hand. What actual damage would be done? Is there a cost? What is the proposed benefit? None of this is addressed. As usually for Greenpeace they yell at the top of their collective lungs that the "planet is dying" whatever this means and that no cost is too great to avert this "tragedy."

True enough the right has their own non-rational policy initiatives. Many of them. But the right controls the media and the left does not. Thus the left has to craft their message far more carefully and this does not help.

[kwolf68]

29. LMAO

I have a little economic and ecological knowledge.

You say GDP relates to prosperity. Nice try, but try telling the entire story.

GDP is nothing more than a measurement of turning resources into garbage. You know what improves the GDP? Bad Health, Crime, War, Pollution, Corruption, Unsustainable resource extraction.

I would wager that the aforementioned outcomes DON’T lend themselves to prosperity one iota yet improve the GDP. Nice try, but save it for someone else.

Again, the problem with your entire premise is the fact you claim we lose votes when we go green. This is such an ill-founded concept I can’t see how you’d utter it.

Republicans themselves have been trying to hide the Bush environmental agenda. Polls after Polls after Polls clearly show the Democrats are winning this battle. This isn’t even an issue we need to “discuss” such as some others.

This is a hands-down winner. It’s a feel-good issue as well. People want to know they are protecting nature, they are conserving and saving for future generations.

Even my staunch Republican friends and family have problems with the Republican environmental agenda. They all want to conserve, they all want to protect the environment. They simply go Repub due to other issues.

The only problem with the environmental issue is its very few people’s “hot button” issue, so we have MANY MANY MANY people who don’t vote with us who otherwise agree on the environment. That is the facts and is proven by every poll. So whatever your agenda is here should fall on deaf ears because its fallacious.

The idea you have that one can’t have economic progress (sustainable) in conjunction with environmental protections is fool-hearty. Ecotourism is even a thriving business. 300 million people visit National Parks each year NOT to drill or cut trees down, but simply to experience the splendor of nature.

[SlightlyWorried]

32. How sensational, how trite.

"GDP is nothing more than a measurement of turning resources into garbage."

LOL how sensational. How untrue. GDP is a decent indicator. Yes, yes, it has problems like counting work that produces no gain. But it is a decent indicator. And further, we have vast infrastructure for obtaining readings as to it's movement unlike more esoteric indicators.

[kwolf68]

21. Extreme views?

13 posts and this shit?

Newsflash jackass...BUSH sent us to Iraq, not the goddamn environmental movement.


and other people of your ilk who have extreme views and place yourself in the public eye.

No one places these people in the public eye. The policies do that. Why is it extreme to protect nature? This isn’t a “jobs or environment” idea.

Yes it would be very difficult for the democrats to win even without you tied around their neck since the other side controls the media but you don't help.

Bullshit. In POLL after POLL after POLL the people agree with the Democrats on the environment and NOT the Republicans. There are issues we are getting beaten to death on, but the environment isn’t one of them.

Your lack of knowledge of the FACTS and your desire to just bitch about this person trying to protect nature is breathtaking.
To suggest the Democrats stand on the environment and protecting “God’s work” and preserving it for future generations, protecting that without voice and power is HURTING the party is brilliantly stupid.

And if you think that SUV's are bad then try to rally public support against them.

Cigarettes are bad. But people use the product. Big Macs are bad, but people use them. How about an SUV that gets better than 15 miles to the gallon? Give us a goddamn choice. In your narrow-minded viewpoint we either have SUVs that pollute the earth and consume resources at a breakneck speed or we ride around on trolley cars and take long walks to work.

More bullshit. Democrats would like to see corporate America give us a choice. Put two SUVs side by side…one getting 30 miles to the gallon and the other getting 15 miles to the gallon and we won’t need any fucking “support against them.”

Don't say that the energy needs of humans are less important than the possibility of damage to some unknown number of mammals.

Is the world so fucked up we can’t supply the energy needs of humans without killing shit? What about pollution in our backyard? What about asthma? What about genetic defects? What about dead rivers? You can kill kill kill kill kill in the name of your sanctimonious “human energy needs”, but at the end of the day we are still SHORT on supply and everything is just as dead as when we first put derrick to ground.

Don't attempt to make the argument that some unknown number of mammals being hurt is more important than billions of dollars of human economic activity. That is a losing argument and it helps lose votes.

Jobs or whales? A nice pathetic, right-wing trick. Go look at the goddamn polls. Show me where our environmental stands are losing us votes. Maybe in freaking Sugarland, Texas (home of Tom DeLay), but sure as hell nowhere else. The rest of the entire freaking world is trying their damnest to lower greenhouse gases, Kyoto is moving on without us, POLLS prove the Americans want tough environmental protections.

I know in your feeble minded eye that if getting what we need/want entails killing every living species on earth (except us of course) then so be it.

You call someone concerned about whales and dolphins extreme, yet it is YOU who are the extremist. You make ad hoc attacks and then suggest we are losing votes because we give a shit about nature. Of course, those polls DON’T EXIST that prove your point.
If YOU are the future of the Democratic Party I and a shit load of other people will resign immediately. Part of the Democratic Party message, and a damn good one, is strong environmental protections and a healthy respect for nature.

There is a place where people with absolutely no regard for the environment exist: The Republican Party.

[G_j]

30. nice post

thanks for the taking the time, hope wasn't it wasn't in vain.

[leftchick]

31. of course it was in vain...

but it is fun to read isn't it? I love a great smackdown!

;)

[i miss america]

24. Na na na na. Na na na na. Hey hey hey. Goodbye!

[BrightKnight]

12. 200 million sonic blasts with decibel level of 260

"The total cost of such a survey would approach $50 billion" ..."a huge subsidy for big oil"

"These airguns have been implicated in causing permanent damage to the hearing of fish and mammals."

"Alaska, which would require 176 million blasts alone."

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/big-oil-pushes-to-blast-coasts

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Sonic Impact: A Precautionary Assessment of Noise Pollution from Ocean Seismic Surveys

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press/reports/sonic-impact-a-precautionary

[Helga Scow Stern]

14. Thanks for posting. We can't keep condoning genocide. n/t

[SlightlyWorried]

16. Oh and 260 dB is a little more than x2 a siren

It's more like 1,000,000 times louder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

assuming that a siren is 120 dB.

[madeline_con]

20. I'm SO over these fundies

who want ot believe some twisted idea that we're living in the "End Times" and we can just destroy the earth if we want to.

There has to be something in the Bible about respecting the environment, saomething besides "having dominion" over the fish and fowl, etc. that can be spread to these freaks' sites, so they see the error of their "sinful ways".

Can I get an "AMEN"?

:wtf:

[BrightKnight]

39. Theocratic Dominionists ignore the responsibility part.

They deliberately misread the scripture. Genesis 1:26

[Beaverhausen]

23. Done and thanks

[Hun Joro]

25. Done

:kick:

[kwolf68]

27. Done

And I added a personalized part as well as that gets more impact I hear.

[SoCalDem]

34. Whales & dolphins are stingy with their campaign donations

and they don't vote.. Republicans have no use for them..(unless whale-oil lamps come back into vogue) :cry:

[evolvenow]

35. Thanks Gj for your great work! Dolphins and Whales are Sentient, beautiful

beings that cause no harm to humans and yet humans have been decimating them for so many years. It is criminal the way these murderers continue to rape the planet.

Anyone that does not understand the damaging, deadly effects of seismic testing under the ocean floor, the effects of illegal wars run by War Criminal Orgs, does not understand that we MUST find alternatives to OIL, and we must reduce as best we can until such time.

I cannot wait until free energy is the norm, and murder, oil and the insanity of these individuals is over.


Dolphins and Whales are compassionate, highly intelligent and take care of one another, we have plenty to learn from them, and must protect them in every way.


kick

[Ladyhawk]

37. Damn, I missed it. :( :( :(

That pic of the common dolphin makes me feel ill. I love our oceans. I love to watch dolphins and whales and now we're going to kill a bunch of them, looks like. :( :( :( :(