Media dolts: The point isn't that GWB made up his mind; it's that he LIED!

[BurtWorm]

Idiots! Like Al Kamen of the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/16/AR2005061601413_pf.html



Who Knew What -- and When

The liberal blogomania over the media's cover-up of the "Downing Street memo" -- the British intelligence notes of meetings indicating, among other things, that the administration's decision to invade Iraq was made long before anyone else knew about it -- continues unabated.

The fuss reminds us of a front-page story by colleague Glenn Kessler , written in January 2003, two months before the invasion, parsing President Bus h 's decision-making process on Iraq.

The article includes this anecdote: "Only later did it become clear that the president already had made up his mind. In July <2002, about the time of the Downing Street memo>, the State Department's director of policy planning, Richard N. Haass , held a regular meeting with <then-national security adviser Condoleezza > Rice and asked whether they should talk about the pros and cons of confronting Iraq.

"Don't bother, Rice replied: The president has made a decision."

Well, it's still good to know the Brits had also figured this out.

[indie_voter]

1. To congress no less. n/t

[BurtWorm]

2. And the UN. And the American people.

And the world. And the Iraqis.

Lying bastard!

[indie_voter]

22. Absolutely! But the impeachable offense is lying to congress

The case was clearly made yesterday at the DSM hearing, Bush lied to congress to get them to approve this war. This is not only a felony but a high crime.

The rebublicans shouted "RULE OF LAW" because Clinton lied to a grand jury (which is a felony but not a high crime against the republic).

Where are these same loud mouths? They are all trying to now say the ends justify the means.

What end? Untold lives still to be lost.

Disgusting!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Doy

Yep. He lied to the public, to the senate and congress. That's illegal. Why else were they able to get Clinton?

[Demrock6]

4. WAKE UP! PEOPLE! Read the memo!

[Karenina]

26. Read the MINUTES OF THE MEETING.

DOWNING STREET MINUTES - OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MINUTES OF AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MEETING - distributed to U.K. EYES ONLY in the form of a memorandum...

[cry baby]

5. pure spin...

and if someone that is from our side doesn't get out there and say that it's about the "fixing" of the facts around the policy, then this opportunity is lost.

[politicaholic]

6. Iraq was a threat to the US...

even though they had never even threatened America. Iraq wasn't a threat in the eighties when the US was selling biological and chemical weapons to them.

The only reason the Bush was convinced they had WMD is because Rummy presented a list of what he sold to them and some items on the list were unaccounted for.

Dumb shits the lot of them.

[burythehatchet]

7. Thank you. The obvious has to be stated so the debate remains

properly framed. btw, hope you caught Dana Milbank's column today

[BurtWorm]

10. No, I didn't.

It's not on-line, is it?

[burythehatchet]

14. it will infuriate you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1862000

[BurtWorm]

20. Oh it did that, all right.

:nuke:

[Brotherjohn]

12. Yes, which article? And if it's NOT online, what was the gist of it? NT

[burythehatchet]

13. here yar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1862000

[BurtWorm]

16. "One of the obstacles... as they try to convince America DSM is important"

As Conyers and his hearty band of playmates know, subpoena power and other perks of a real committee are but a fantasy unless Democrats can regain the majority in the House. But that's only one of the obstacles they're up against as they try to convince America that the "Downing Street Memo" is important.


Dana Milbank is another one. Al Kamen another. Dana Priest another...

[BurtWorm]

18. Dana Milbank sweats the details!

"A search of the congressional record yesterday found that of the 535 members of Congress, only one -- Conyers -- had mentioned the memo on the floor of either chamber. House Democratic leaders did not join in Conyers's session, and Senate Democrats, who have the power to hold such events in real committee rooms, have not troubled themselves."


Dana, why don't you fucking sweat looking into how duped you and your brothers and sisters in the media were. Freakin' idiot!

[BurtWorm]

21. Dana's article takes an awkward turn...

as he smears the hearing with a tacit charge of anti-Semitism.

The session took an awkward turn when witness Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst, declared that the United States went to war in Iraq for oil, Israel and military bases craved by administration "neocons" so "the United States and Israel could dominate that part of the world." He said that Israel should not be considered an ally and that Bush was doing the bidding of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"Israel is not allowed to be brought up in polite conversation," McGovern said. "The last time I did this, the previous director of Central Intelligence called me anti-Semitic."

Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.), who prompted the question by wondering whether the true war motive was Iraq's threat to Israel, thanked McGovern for his "candid answer."

At Democratic headquarters, where an overflow crowd watched the hearing on television, activists handed out documents repeating two accusations -- that an Israeli company had warning of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and that there was an "insider trading scam" on 9/11 -- that previously has been used to suggest Israel was behind the attacks.

[burythehatchet]

23. sometimes you wonder if they realize this

isn't like a board game. They don't seem to realize its real. But then I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by assuming they have the moral compass to be able to choose.

[BurtWorm]

24. Yes, we're probably too kind to the slimetrails.

There aren't words offensive enough to get at what useless *********** they are.

[Tommymac]

27. Give them all a ticket...

to Iraq. Give them a uniform, an M-16 and put 'em on the point of a patrol. Then we'll see if they still think it's a game.

[Brotherjohn]

8. EXACTLY! And not just that he lied about deciding to go to war...

... (bad enough), but lying to the Congress and the American people about the need for that war (i.e. fixing the facts and intelligence")... telling us there was "no doubt" that Iraq HAD WMDs and was an imminent threat to the U.S.

They KNEW that this was not true, i.e. THEY LIED!

[BurtWorm]

11. Furthermore, he LIED to the MEDIA dolts themselves!

Why aren't they pissed about that? Because they're not proud about being played like a violin as they usually are?

[Brotherjohn]

15. Well, they screwed up, royally. It's embarrassing to them.

They are as responsible as Bush. They didn't hold his feet to the fire 2-3 years ago when there were OBVIOUS questions to be asked.

Questions like:
"But Mr. Bush, you keep insisting he has acquired aluminum tubes for uranium enrichment, yet the IAEA has inspected these tubes and has concluded that they are NOT. A number of other independent experts, including our own best experts in the DOE, agree with them. How can you keep saying this is what they are for? Furthermore, how can your National Security Adviser say that this is their 'only' use?"
(I'm pretty sure the NIE was released before the war showing the DOE's dissenting conclusion)

Mr. Bush, after months of the documents being witheld from them by the CIA, the IAEA has upon receiving them concluded within hours that the documents citing Iraq's alleged uranium deal with Niger to be unequivocal forgeries. How could you, having access to these documents for months, have made the claim you made in the State of the Union address? Were you lying or was it simply incompetence?"

"Mr. Bush, both your Vice President and your Secretary of State have cited Saddam's son-in-law (Hussein Kamel) as saying that Iraq has stockpiles of WMDs. Yet in that very same testimony, he stated that all of these stockpiles were destroyed in 1991. How can they use part of his testimony to allege that Iraq has WMDs, while ignoring another part of the very same testimony that says these weapons are now destroyed? Isn't that 'fixing the facts and intelligence' to support your case for war?"

[GreenArrow]

25. "he LIED to the MEDIA dolts themselves"

Not exactly; he lied "through" them.

[sundancekid]

9. it's the COVER UP, stupid! should become our new mantra ...

find those surgical strikes about a lying coverup of a blowjob and
shove them all up the busheviks' a$$ on the war pretext LYING COVERUP...

let's learn from watergate history, that this is indeed WORSE than watergate, and it's all about cover up lies!!!!

[janx]

17. They know that. But the fact is, the media backed and promoted

the whole thing from the start. They worked with the Pentagon from day one--embedded reporters, etc.

They showed us video and constant photos of the lastest military gear, machines, and toys. We watched breathlessly as the tanks flew over the sands into Baghdad. It was all we saw for months on end.

Remember?

They're doing it again, because a huge operation, Operation Spear, is now going on on the Syrian border. Most people are unaware of it, but when MSNBC mentioned it, they showed simulataneous pics of the kinds of jets that were flying the missions, with stat charts included.

[Tommymac]

19. They have as much blood on their hands as * does...

The press is just as responsible for the illegal war in Iraq as the neocon thugs in the administration due to their willingness to be led by their corporate noses .

They are going to try and deflect this for that reason alone.