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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:01 AM
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They TOLD YOU SO, bush.
Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary:

If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists?

How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072479

President GHW Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

Republican Rep. Ron Paul

Questions that Won't be Asked about Iraq
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002.htm

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Republican Dissent on Iraq
Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:


"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

Republicans Who Voted Against Iraq Resolution Tell Why
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

TOP REPUBLICANS BREAK WITH BUSH ON IRAQ STRATEGY

Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Growing GOP Dissent On Iraq
Republican Party ranks are beginning to break and the White House is worried. Longtime GOP critics on Iraq are growing progressively more vocal in their condemnation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/07/politics/main610787.shtml
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:03 AM
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1. You write this as if Bush made (makes) any policy decisions. He doesn't.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:03 AM
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3. correct...the ma is a puppet and will take the fall for the "elite"
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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5. If they don't cut his strings first...

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:23 AM
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13. it's dubya doody time
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:10 AM
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6. But Herr Busch is the leader of this pack of wolves, regardless of....
...the distinction you've drawn.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:27 AM
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25. Herr Busch & Herr V.P Cheney Are Accountable, Regardless.
The rest will tumble down. Liars of the worse kind. They've disgraced our nation, causing turmoil amid our communites to boot - and the blood on their hands all in the name of profits.

Wondering how the BS MSN (term used very lightly) and Corporate America feels now that the "Secret" is out?

America, We've Been Horrible Duped.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:03 AM
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2. yeah, i hate to say it, but...
excellent list, bookmarking it. this is evidence.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:04 AM
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4. Rec for Greatest #2
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:11 AM
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7. #4 here
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:13 AM
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8. Karen Kwiatkowski [ret. col.}:"Unleashing the Resistance"
Karen Kwiatkowski I would follow this soldier into combat!!

SMOKING!!!

"http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski113.h...
Unleashing the Resistance
by Karen Kwiatkowski

The Downing Street Memo explains in brisk understated English what I didn’t fully understand when I worked for Secretary Rumsfeld and Dough Feith in the Pentagon in 2002 and early 2003.
Like a morning cup of tea in a friendly chair with nothing to do but gaze out a window at birds around a feeder, the memo is pleasantly comforting.I saw accurately what was happening.

Yet, as Robert Shetterly and others have pointed out, accountability for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of the war gamers is not likely. At this time, impeachment for Bush and Cheney is politically impossible. A successful impeachment, or any accountability for the executive branch requires a certain balance of political power. Optimistically envisioned by the Founders, this balance was tenuous even in the early years of the Republic. George W. Bush said it best after the 2004 elections with " accountability moment has passed."

All are qualified to resist. None are excluded.
French-born composer and musician Nadia Boulanger, a major influence on American music in the 20th century, once said:
Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it.

"Liberty" is also a concept George W. Bush favors. He said "liberty" fifteen times in his 2005 inaugural speech, second only to his 25 mentions of "freedom." Bush didn’t specifically advocate the murder, or even the restraint, of the state. On the other hand, perhaps he did.The way ahead is clear. We should promote our Great Leader’s love of liberty and resist, resist, resist!"



dbeach

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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:21 AM
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12. Karen Kwiatkowski should be required reading
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:46 AM
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18. "required reading" thats a keeper!!
LOL

King George Bush the second = KGB II
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:54 AM
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19. yep
Subject: "required reading" thats a keeper!!
Message:
LOL

King George Bush the second = KGB II

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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:13 AM
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9. Great info...great post! n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:16 AM
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10. Nominated!
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:17 AM
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11. Nominated! n/t
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:25 AM
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14. Thank you for putting all this information together
in one easily accessible place. My fundie Republican (but otherwise intelligent) father is beginning to ask me questions about the "wrongness" of the war. You've provided an impressive selection of dissenting opinions from Republicans - I believe my dad will come closer to listening to me if I can give him some negative views of the war that come from some of the movers and shakers on the Repug side. Do you mind if DUers forward these links on to non-DUers? This stuff will certainly make my dad sit up and take notice.

Thanks again for doing this.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:58 PM
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29. You're welcome, tenshi,
and no problem forwarding the info to anyone; the more who realize the experts even on the Republican side we're saying "hell no this is stupid" the better.

:)
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:28 AM
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15. They're all LIARS!
Here's a snip about Cheney from the PA Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/11914548.htm

<snip>One memo states, "There is no greater threat now that will use weapons of mass destruction than there has been in recent years." Another states, "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and Al is so far frankly unconvincing" - even though, four months earlier, Vice President Cheney told NBC that such a link was "pretty well confirmed."

LIARS! LIARS! LIARS! All of them.

btw - great post. You did a lot of work Lyn
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:29 AM
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16. As usual, Lynn, more great info-
you are a digger for truth and I thank you!:yourock:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:44 AM
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17. You are priceless. You know that, right?
:hug:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:03 AM
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34. Oh no, I have a price...CHOCOLATE!
Heh. :D

Thanks, Pacifist! :hug:
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:56 AM
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20. Super job! Kicked & nominated!
:toast:
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:57 AM
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21. Excellent post!
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LuPeRcALiO Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:09 AM
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22. So they did.
But some evil genius also told him that war presidents get reelected, and he was right.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:11 AM
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:23 AM
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24. "A Billion Bitter Enemies HAS Risen From This War of OIL & LIES!"
Shew... excellent work on this post. Thank you.

I especially liked this one:

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:47 AM
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26. Count this among the reasons given to not make this war.
The Zinni quote, "We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started." pertains to this thread posted by pirate smile:

By Steve Fainaru and Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, June 15, 2005; Page A01

KIRKUK, Iraq -- Police and security units, forces led by Kurdish political parties and backed by the U.S. military, have abducted hundreds of minority Arabs and Turkmens in this intensely volatile city and spirited them to prisons in Kurdish-held northern Iraq, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials, government documents and families of the victims.

Seized off the streets of Kirkuk or in joint U.S.-Iraqi raids, the men have been transferred secretly and in violation of Iraqi law to prisons in the Kurdish cities of Irbil and Sulaymaniyah, sometimes with the knowledge of U.S. forces. The detainees, including merchants, members of tribal families and soldiers, have often remained missing for months; some have been tortured, according to released prisoners and the Kirkuk police chief.

...

If you could see our house on any day, you'd see that we're having funerals without the corpses," Ramadan said. "Children are looking for their fathers, wives don't know the fate of their husbands, and mothers are dying 40 times a day."

Ramadan said he had "anger in his heart."

"Tomorrow, I could recruit the entire tribe," he said. "I could block the street in Kirkuk and kidnap 40 Kurds. When you lose patience, you can do anything."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/14/AR2005061401828.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1549416


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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:02 PM
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27. those people are all pessimist naysayers
and they're emboldening the enemy and they're demoralizing the troops and they just hate Bush anyway.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:06 AM
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37. LOL!
:D
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:20 PM
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28. Great post- Kudos to you
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 03:34 PM
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30. Five star information
I nominate this info to be presented to junior and the boys ASAP.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:33 PM
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31. But, nobody.... nobody, who could do anything to stop it, did. Not one.
:cry:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:36 PM
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32. Another great post by LynnTheDem.
Thanks!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:05 AM
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36. Thanks, Kurovski.
:hug:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:38 PM
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33. Well Done Lyn
Thanks for putting this all together. It proves everything we have known all along....
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:04 AM
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35. Thanks, dogday.
:hug:
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