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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:20 PM
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Maybe It's Time To Cancel Subscripts For NYT And WaPo !!!
First... if the DSM is "old news", then maybe we should poll the members of the families of the dead, disabled, and distraught if it's "old news" to them!!!

And second... with headlines like these, who needs the *cough* liberal *cough* press???

Antiwar Group Says Leaked British Memo Shows Bush Misled Public on His War Plans (NYT)

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/politics/17downing.html

Hell... the print media is on the skids anyway, if this is the best they can do... give 'em a final shove off the precipice!!!

:puke:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:24 PM
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1. Good idea!
I canceled cable news after the 2000 election. Why should we support right-wing rags with our consumer dollars? The only way we will get fair media is by walking our dollars away from the right-wing media. If enough of us walk away, the right-wing media will start to pay attention to us. Liberals read a lot and subscribe to newspapers faithfully. The newspapers, more than any other media, rely on our dollars. We can make an impact here.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:30 PM
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2. That's What I'm Thinking, And For The Same Exact Reasons !!!
:yourock:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:32 PM
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3. That's always a GREAT idea. Did it in '98 and stopped Salon yesterday.
I was revolted by the NYT Whitewater lies and the WaPost prurient interest in Clinton's sex life. Stopped paying for any papers, just use online. Salon, being cute, ran a ridiculous article claiming that the National Exit Polls that point so strongly to a Kerry win and fraud on Bush's part were actually flawed...yeah, right. DU evidence is overwhelming that the polls were right, Kerry 51-Bush 48% until they were fixed at 1:00 to show Bush winning.

I'm sick of supposedly "liberal" print or internet media running "false flag" operations against sanity and social justice. The NYT deserves to rot Hell for allowing Judith Miller to lie many Americans into supporting the Iraq War.

Great post!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:41 PM
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4. I cancelled the NYT last year.
Judith Miller and David Brooks
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:28 PM
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20. Same here.
And they were the last to go. I cancelled all the other media-whore subscriptions after the coup in 2000.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:47 PM
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5. they've been bought and sold....
that's why sell-out is such a vulgar term, it means you've been bought. If you've been bought, you are owned. That means someone else can tell you what to say. That's why free press is so important and it's being manipilated into propaganda. You can't get your by-line printed if it doesn't fit the agenda. You can't get near them live, with the press corp, to ask a question, that hasn't been rehearsed. They shoot, the journalists regularly, in Iraq. It's bad. sorry...rant
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:51 PM
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6. Kick !!!
:kick:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:53 PM
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7. Don't read em anymore.
Damn I wish there were a REAL major newspaper in this country!
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:54 PM
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8. I saw an interview with a NYT reporter who said...
that the reason the media wasn't covering the DSM is because everyone already knows that Bush Lied about the war and Hussain's WMDs. Therefor it isn't news if everyone already knows it.

*shrug*
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:06 PM
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9. That's My Point !!!
Have they asked the families of the soldiers if THEY knew it was all based on lies???

It's one thing for folks in the NY and DC media, or even for us here at DU, to know it was all based on bullshit. But for the rest of the country, ESPECIALLY WHEN OVER HALF OF THEM THOUGHT SADDAM WAS INVOLVED IN THE 9-11 ATTACKS, it might have been news!!!

Seems like quite a few more eyes have been opened now!

:shrug:
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:11 PM
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10. They may have known subconciously
They may have suspected it but decided that the situation was easier to deal with if they just believed that their sons and daughters were defending us from a real threat.

I can't imagine the whole topic having never come up. It would seem that most people were at least exposed to dialogue and conversation communicating skepticism about this premise for war.

Don't misunderstand me to be saying that I don't believe the DSM is news. I absolutely do! Just playing devil's advocate.

That thing the NYT guy said really struck a chord with me. How sad is it when in a "democracy" it's "not news" for a leader to lie in order to gain our support for a war?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:49 PM
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11. Then Man... The State Of Denial Is WIDE !!!
Deep too.

Can you imagine fighting over there and seeing all the death and destruction, while all the time in the back of your mind you know it was all for a lie???

The mental illness of the survivors is gonna haunt us all!!!

:argh:
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:33 PM
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13. They didn't have to cover Bush stealing the election either for exactly
the same reason.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:36 PM
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15. Then why did they use so much ink pushing Judy Miller's lies
and NO ink printing that they all KNEW they and the American people were being lied to?

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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:53 PM
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12. They subscribe to the idea that they have to Manufacture Consent
for the policies of the Administration in power. They also see themselves as gatekeepers between the riffraff and the Elite, screening out undesirables from saying anything that might make our rulers uncomfortable.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:33 PM
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14. Yep...Wouldn't Wanna Get Dis-Invited To A Cocktail Party, Would They ???
"Oh Cokie, could you pass a nosh to the Secretary of Defense please?"

:puke:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:38 PM
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16. Well, I certainly would -- if I had one. n/t
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SiouxJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:39 PM
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17. I was thinking it might be time for a boycott of mainstream media
I was just thinking of calling my cable company and telling them to block CNN, MSNBC, and of course Faux. Block all of them until they start doing their job! If enough people do it, they may pay attention.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:54 PM
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18. Subscribe to The Nation, In These Times, Mother Jones
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:25 PM
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19. Kick !!!
:kick:
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