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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:22 AM
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I can picture the RW smearing if/when a Dem wins in 2004
A Dem President will have to spend so much time unfucking the damage Shrubbie did, the RW will label him as ineffective.

If we win in 2004, the fight will just be beginning to keep him from getting smeared into one-termsville.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:27 AM
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1. I hear your concern, but I don't agree...
After this economic trend, ANY improvement should be (I believe) enough to get a second term. 8 years is enough (just) to start a real economic trend. We need a win in 2004. 2008 should be a given after that.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:34 AM
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2. I share your concern to a point
Let me see...

Joe average...

They went after Clinton, I had a 401 K,and a job.

He lied over a BJ

Junior,

The economy is in the crapper

My 401 K is a 101K, and I have been unemployed until this new guy showed around.

I think Joe Average will make teh connection, I hope
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:36 AM
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3. If Clinton is any indication it will get nasty
And whatever the VWRC is good at it is smearing. And whatever they do to the next Dem president will probably make what Clinton went through look like paradise.
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:39 AM
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4. When the RW lose, they get mad
When they get mad, they fight dirty.

I fully expect the next Dem President to be raked over the coals to a previously unheard of level.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:43 AM
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5. As I said
It will make what Clinton went through look like a pleasent stroll through town on a Sunday afternoon.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:45 AM
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10. Yes, I really worry about the enviroment of the next Dem prez
It will be beyond nasty and I have a feeling that no one will really care.
If the President doesn't wash his hands after using the bathroom, the RWers are probably going to use that against him..:eyes:
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:17 AM
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6. If a Dem is elected the world will be relieved
I don't agree. There will be so much relief in the World Politic that he/she will be given a lot of slack at home. Besides, we all know that just the election of a Dem president will instill confidence into the markets just as it did in the 90's.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:19 AM
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7. You are so right.......
but THIS TIME.......I am not going to mince words with the shits -- even if one of them happens to be my boss.

These freeps are truly the greatest obstacle to world peace and decency.

We are REALLY going to have stand behind our candidate 110%.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:22 AM
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8. Do NOT let Republicans set the terminology.
Whatever they say, take it back and restate or rephrase.

And stop cowering in a corner like a baby because the bully hurls a few insults. A person would think you didn't go to public school.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:36 AM
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9. Oh, they'll try

But I think there's a plan in the works to strongarm and counterattack them to the extent necessary. But the basic fact is that Bush's people are going to leave so much scandal-laden material behind that it's not going to be very competitive. And there will be all the Clinton people around to see that the next Administration gets a faster start than they did.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:47 AM
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11. we have to take Bushco down so hard....
....that it destroys the GOP for supporting him.

That's our task.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 04:48 PM
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12. I still shudder when I think of what they did to Clinton...
I'm not looking forward to a repeat with the next Dem president but I expect one. They will pick him or her to pieces. Actually, as much as I hate Bush, I agree with some here who have said we should back off on some of the nitpicking about him because payback is a bitch.

Believe me they will pick apart every thing he or she does and the little things that we've been saying here which don't go anywhere will be echoed a trillion times as Hannity and Bimbaugh repeat every little syllable of every thing they can find.

This has to stop somewhere. I'm not saying that we should back off Bush's lies by any means but some of the stuff (like the God told him) I might take a pass on.

Only my humble opinion.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 05:20 PM
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13. With a Democratic president in the WH January 2005...
The fight is only beginning. The RW is not going to go away. They will hit back, hard and often, and with everything they've got.
Remember the relentless persecution that Clinton faced on a daily basis: The gays in the military backlash, the national health insurance backlash, the Gingrich "Contract With America," the incessant scrutiny of every bit of the president's personal life, on and on.

The RW has some powerful players, and it effectively controls the media and the radio airwaves.

We liberals/progressives will have to develop a stomach for this constant partisan battle, and we'll have a knack for it. We know about the RW's sense of "fair play," so we must keep our eyes and ears open, and we cannot shrink from the fight.
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