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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:08 PM
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Palast OIL docs should be included in memo file
The clincher should be documents on OIL.

Greg Palast has found these on the plans to privatize and steal Iraq’s oil, and elections were initially put off so they had time to do it “legally” because no elected government, even a puppet one, could get away with rubber stamping that.

First Palast story with interviews with author of plan, Grover Norquist and General Jay Garner, first American ruler of Iraq:
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=3 83&row=1

Follow up story with oil execs on differences with Bush admin:
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=4 17&row=2

The Bushies seem to be taking this seriously–they’re suing Palast.

None of the memos so far touch on the real motivation for the war--probably because all parties don't want to let go of that oil spigot.

I'm sending this to John Conyers. campaign@johnconyers.com

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:13 PM
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:26 PM
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3. that's a great one
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:28 PM
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4. I'm going to post on the coulter board on yahoo.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:26 PM
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2. Agree!
Also, don't forget about Palast's BBC report "SECRET U.S. PLANS FOR IRAQI OIL."

http://www.gregpalast.com/opeconthemarch.html
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:11 PM
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7. did you give greg any money for the lawsuit?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:30 PM
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5. Definitley send to Conyers
I saw that segment that he did with Iraqi oil. So disgusting. They didn't even want elections but Bush was pressured into doing them anyways. They already had someone in mind to put in. My guess is Allawi. When the "election counting" began Allwai had 4% and then a few days later the Bush team was crying "fraud!" and shortly after Allawi had 14%. Hmm. I hope Conyers can get Palast at the hearings.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:12 PM
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8. did
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:02 PM
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14. love the Fascart site...specially this animated gif
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:58 PM
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21. Thanks. It keeps me from pounding holes in the walls.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:40 PM
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6. Interesting
From the website of Greg Palast
Dated October 27, 2004

Adventure Capitalism - The Hidden 2001 Plan to Carve-up Iraq
By Greg Palast

And then there's the oil. Iraq-born Falah Aljibury was in on the drafting of administration blueprints for the post-Saddam Iraq. According to Aljibury, the administration began coveting its Mideast neighbor's oil within weeks of the Bush-Cheney inauguration, when the White House convened a closed committee under the direction of the State Department's Pam Quanrud. The group included banking and chemical industry men, and the range of topics over what to do with a post-conquest Iraq was wide. In short order, said Aljibury, "It became an oil group."

Could these be the maps rumored to have been pulled out by Cheney at his secret meetings with corporate executives to draw up the junta's energy policy?

Up to now, there's been little reason to suppose that this tidbit was anything but speculation. Perhaps there is something more to it.

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:31 PM
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18. In light of the latest revelations
from the Downing Street minutes and assorted documents, could Cheney be asked again to produce those papers?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:13 PM
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20. One could always ask
And he will always refuse.

However, this is looking more interesting than before.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:24 PM
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9. Did you post the wrong links?
I hit on them and neither are what you say they are. The first is dated 4/23/2000 and the second is dated 12/10/2000.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:27 PM
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10. My links got messed up. here's fixed ones:
First Palast story with interviews with author of plan, Grover Norquist and General Jay Garner, first American ruler of Iraq:
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=383&row=1

Follow up story with oil execs on differences with Bush admin:
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=417&row=2


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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:14 PM
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16. Thank you.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:56 PM
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23.  assistant says yes



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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:46 PM
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11. Yep, this is definitely a piece to the puzzle...
possibly the main reason the cabal was pushing so hard to take over Iraq. Think of the influence the U.S. would have over the region and the world with control over a large part of the world's energy resources.

Make no mistake, this war had nothing to do with terrorism, WMDs, freedom for Iraqis, spreading of democracy, etc.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:51 PM
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12. a couple of players have mentioned them:
Karen Kitowolski (sp?)
mentioned a couple:

oil
being a position to control or intimidate other other countries in the region.
Saddam's switch to Euro

Jay Garner confirmed at least one of these to Greg Palast.

He said Iraq was going to be a "coaling station" for the military the way the Philippines was in the 20th century.

That fits the PNAC idea of having hegemony in the region and even Zbignew Brizensky said we needed to control the Eurasia landmass.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 05:45 PM
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13. Kick
. . . for the people don't want to talk about Jacko.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:03 PM
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15. Why did it take so long?
n/t My heart is broken.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:15 PM
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17. hmmmm....
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BushSpeak Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:00 PM
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19. Check out Naomi Klein's articles
Two excellent articles by Canadian journalist, Naomi Klein, give a complementary view of the Neo-liberal selloff of the Iraqui economy to the multi-national corporations, better known as the "showcase of democracy and free market economics for all the Middle East".

In short, Bremer passed around a hundred "orders" allowing for the neo-liberal takeover of the Iraqui companies. But there were few takers - why?

Because a UN resolution states that an occupying country cannot change the laws of a country it occupies. The multi-nationals were afraid to loose the case in an international court, should there be a regime change in Iraq.

Thus, "full sovereignty" was invented as a transitional phase that would allow the Allawi regime to do the dirty work. JP Morgan got the banking concession. I didn't follow it close enough to get all the juicy details.

Democracy also meant an Inspector General was placed over each Ministry with absolute power for a five period and nearly impossible to replace. And a couple hundred American advisors were brought in to watch over the normal functioning of these Ministeries.

See: Baghdad Year Zero by Naomi Klein
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0924-13.htm

Also check out:

The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20050502&s=klein
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:08 AM
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22. Palast spent an hour with Bob McChesney -- link to audio archive
Interview aired on Sunday.

http://www.will.uiuc.edu/am/mediamatters/default.htm

This week on Media Matters

June 12, 2005 This week our guest is Greg Palast, the investigative reporter whose work has appeared on the BBC,  and in The Washington Post, Harper's, and The Nation. Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy,” a book Michael Moore has called “courageous reporting.” He has uncovered fraud and corruption in the highest seats of power. Much of his reportage is available on his website http://gregpalast.com/.

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