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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:09 PM
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Could you forgive Bush* or Rove or Condi if they did a 180?
I hate what these people are trying to do and the motives they have for doing it but I do not hate the people. If Bush* saw the light and devoted his life to actually helping people and ending corruption I could forgive him. I forgave David Brock and Arriana Huffington because they have shown conclusivly by their words and deeds that they are now benefitting mankind instead of the opposite. Could the same happen for Rove and Bush*? As long as they work towards the betterment of mankind and real opportunity for all mankind I could praise them and feel good about them but I will never forgive the actions that have hurt so many with their wars for profit and their plundering of American Treasure. I will continue to speak out about such actions and motives and continue to hate those actions with all the intensity I can muster but the people can be habilitated. I can and will forgive them if they deserve such.
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:09 PM
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1. Nope ...
their damage is done .
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Lumily Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:10 PM
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2. No.
:grr:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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33. Hi Lumily!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:10 PM
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3. If he truly admitted his mistakes and apologized I could forgive him.
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM by spooked911
It is the Christian thing to do after all. :)

But I don't think he ever will.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:10 PM
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4. Yes. After they confess, resign, and serve time. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:10 PM
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5. oooooooooops dupe.
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM by BrklynLiberal
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM
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6. Not in a gajillion years.
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM by BrklynLiberal
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM
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7. Fuck no.
They have already done too much damage. Unless they personally saved refugees in darfur, or hand fed an amputee soldiers, or adopted an orphan from Iraq that was a victim of Bush's war.... and that wouldn't be enough.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM
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8. They're forgiven as soon as the survivors of the Iraqis they
killed have a shot at them.

:nopity:
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:12 PM
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9. Sorry, I won't turn the other cheek
I may miss the knife going for my jugular.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:12 PM
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10. No. The damage they have done is permanent.
Just ask the Iraqis, or our dead GIs. I could never forgive them for this, and I am, by nature, a pretty forgiving person.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:14 PM
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11. Is this a trick question?
nt
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:14 PM
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12. No No No
No amount of contrition or amending of ways will return the lives destroyed or the priceless treasures of human civilization lost; nor the incalculable suffering that will proceed from this genocide for generations.

No.

F* the whole steaming pile of lying criminal murderers, profiteers and pirates.

I want them all behind bars.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:15 PM
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13. no. never.


the damage they have done is permanent. the dead would still be dead.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:16 PM
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14. Could you forgive a rabid dog
if it became a dozen roses?
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:16 PM
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15. Sure. But they have to wear sackcloth & ashes and walk around
ringing a bell to warn people that they're approaching. That and work at a social services center for minimum wage until they retire at age 75, at which time they are made to live on the private account savings they've managed to put aside from their minimum wage job. I could be very magnanimous!
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:16 PM
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16. No. To much damage done. To many lies. To many died.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:16 PM
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17. No
and I won't type what I would want them to do to better mankind.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:17 PM
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18. If? We'll never know...it will never happen. These are Aristocrats.
They will never grovel with the lower class minions. They are above law.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:17 PM
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19. I would assume it was just another effort
to manipulate the American people. I'm not sure I could ever believe it if they changed.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:18 PM
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20. no n/t
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:18 PM
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21. Yes, but only because I knew it was really
Kevin Kline with a LOT of makeup...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:19 PM
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22. Who forgave Bill Clinton?
Not a GOPer in Washington and even a few democrats across the isle never forgave Clinton, even though over 60% of Americans forgave him. How many Americans are still cheering for Bush? The answer is nowhere near 60%!
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:20 PM
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23. Forgive maybe, trust doubtful
I might forgive you for stealing my TV but don't expect me to ask you to house-sit again.

I actually would question the sincerity of a 180 from any of those guys.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:21 PM
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24. It's not even a reasonable hypothetical...
... because it's just not in them.

I might feel a bit differently if they told the absolute and complete truth, brought down their own corrupt government, exposed everyone involved, then stepped down and left politics and fundraising forever.

But, that's not in them. They fuckin' think they're saving the world. If, on the million to one chance these people are exposed, they'll have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, out of office. And they'll spend the rest of their lives schmoozing with the rich and powerful, being kingmakers behind the scenes.

Nope, don't expect any grace saving them. They're utterly corrupt.



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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:21 PM
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25. Sure
If they could raise the dead, heal the crippled, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, and dance naked on the head of a pin!!!!!!

Then, I might think about it, but I wouldn't count on it.

And if you think that's bad, well that's between me and my God.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:21 PM
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26. Hell no !!!
and I hope for their sake there is a hell and they roast in it until the end of time. They are Evil incarnate.


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:21 PM
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27. Speaking as one who can and has forgiven many slights in my life
Absolutely not.
Their damage is irreparable and how can I ever forgive someone who has damaged the country that my children and grandchildren will someday inherit and have to pay their debts?
He has ruined it so completely...environmentally, financially, and ruined our global reputation.
He has single-handedly destroyed the country that great men along the lines of Roosevelt, JFK, MLK dedicated--and some lost-- their lives to make great.
He has single-handedly destroyed the financial solvency that Clinton created.
Every social program that he has laid his dirty, crooked filthy hands on has been cut to the bone.
He has prostituted our military for oil using our kids--in essence our future--as nothing but cannon fodder.
By the time he has completely the dismantling of this country, every average American will be affected. But then it will be too late.
People will be dying in the streets.
Welcome to the United States of BushAmerica. Your new Third World superpower.:sarcasm:
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:22 PM
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28. I wouldn't like it, but I would forgive. -nt-
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:23 PM
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29. HELL NO...
n/t
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:37 PM
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30. Doubtful
I do believe in forgiveness, but they would have to do so much and I don't think they're capable of atoning adequately for what they've done.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:39 PM
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31. nah.
they have committed crimes against humanity and worked tirelessly to destroy our country.

Justice must be served.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:40 PM
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32. OH, sure, why not? I'd say 'I forgive you, but you still ...
have to be tried for war crimes.'
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:49 PM
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34. If they pay their debt to society FIRST, I'd be open to that.
Of course, we're talking several thousand life sentences, without parole.

They would also have to cooperate in the conviction and sentencing of neoCONs and corporacrats and advocate the death penalty for each and every one of them.

I am a foregiving person.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:50 PM
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35. It's not about forgiveness, it's about accountability and responsibility
They need to fix what they've done to the world and return the cash. Personally.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:52 PM
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36. Ask the parents who lost their loved ones to this war
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:53 PM
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37. Not today. Ask me again tomorrow. eom
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:53 PM
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38. In a word...NO!!! n/t
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