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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:46 AM
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Mehlman lies on Meet The Press
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8062380/

Mehlman quoted on Sunday, talking about gay marriage laws:

"But I think that fundamentally for the president and for millions of Americans, this is an issue of principle. Who should decide on a critical question of how we define marriage in this country? Should it be decided by an activist court or by the people? We believe the people should make this decision...
Bush also believes, separate and apart from that question, that the fundamental question of marriage ought to be defined in the way it's been defined for more than 200 years of our nation's history, which is by the people's representative at the state legislatures."

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Well, Kenny, WHAT ABOUT LOVING VS. VIRGINIA? That was only forty years ago and it redefined marriage. And it wasn't the legislatures, it was a COURT that decided it. Do you and Bush want to overturn that too? Were those "activist" judges who stepped in and struck down 16 state marriage laws which banned interracial marriages?

And Tim Russert, why didn't YOU ASK THIS QUESTION?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:49 AM
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1. Did he lie or is he simply a ignorant lout who doesn't know what
he is talking about. Probably 50-50.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:53 AM
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2. Mehlman is a 1991 graduate of Harvard Law School
Every law school in the country studies Loving vs. Virginia. He knows damn well that when he said that for 200 years only legislatures have decided marriage laws he was lying through his teeth.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:54 AM
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3. WHY is ED even talking about this, He IS a Closeted Homosexual
I hate this type of Hypocrisy. We outed him Months ago!:mad:
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:55 AM
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4. melman lie? No way! russert actually DO HIS JOB? Such foolishness!
:sarcasm:
When Mehlman tells the truth and Russert grows some big, brass ones and grills these idiots, I swear, I'll send chimpy-boy a love letter.

I won't be grabbing my pen and a sweet-smelling bottle of perfume any time soon. :eyes:



SIMPLIFYING FOR THE FREEPERS: It has been suggested Mehlman... well, Mehlman prefers the company of men... {that menas he may be GAY} and old Timmy? Well, he doesn't like to break much of a sweat and actually ask questions of those in power which they may have to answer.


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:02 AM
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5. The Lie Hasn't Set In Enough Yet
Be assured Mehlmann's lying was to solidfy the corporate media position on the lie...with Mr. Russert assisting.

Activist judges? Huh? What the Repugnicans are good at doing here, and I don't see many others who've picked up on it, is they don't differentiate judges. They're all the same...Federal, State, County, Appellate and so on. Thus a corporate hack like a Priscilla Owen gets lumped in with activist judges killing babies and marryin' gays.

What's more incredible is how this party that supposedly "champions" states rights is so anxious to create the first constitutional ammendment against a part of the population...and using the federal, not state, to do their dirty work. Oh well, why should we let all these hypocrisies get in the way of another good Repugnican lie courtesy of Tim Russert and his GE patrons.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:35 AM
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6. The simple answer to the "people v. the courts" is...
That our founding fathers wisely did place the ultimate decision in the hands of the people, not the courts. And it is simply disingenuous to say otherwise.

Those that disagree with court decisions based on interpretations of the Constitution, can always amend the Constitution. All "the people" have to do is push 2/3's of Congress and 3/4 of the State legislatures to adopt the Constitutional Amendment of their choice.

The press should ask those that castigate "the courts", why they don't pursue a new Constitutional Amendment to give the people the decision. The truth, is that they don't think they can get a Constitutional amendment passed on any of their desired reductions of individual rights, based upon their moral judgments. Not on reproduction rights, not on sexual orientation civil rights, and not on creating a theocracy state.

They want to pass laws in Congress by a simple majority, which they believe they can obtain and new laws in the states they control, and not have judges toss out the laws as unconstitutional. They want Conservative activist judges that will place their personal opinions above legal precedent and the correct upholding of our Constitutional rights, to enable their unconstitutional laws of discrimination.

It's about the easiest path of resistance, not about "the people". When will someone in the press call them on this repeated lie?
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:24 AM
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7. The People
supported Jim Crow and Segregation, Lynchings, Japanese Internment Camps, out-of-wack drugs sentencing, three-strike laws and the death penalty against minors.

So far, only the courts have changed any of this.

Vyan
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