Right on cue: PNAC website goes 404

[Liberal Veteran]

Coincidence?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. nope, at least I got some of it into my HD

[Classical_Liberal]

2. There are about 10 Duers who have screen shots so it doesn't matter

. that is a minimal estimate. I personallty downloaded ALL their pdf docs.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. ok techno moron here...what does "goes 404" mean?

:dunce:

[Liberal Veteran]

4. 404 = Page cannot be found error

[Classical_Liberal]

5. That is the error you get on Internet Explorer when

a site is no longer available.

[osaMABUSh]

7. it's not there anymore - they pulled it

The web page was removed from the file server location by the owner/web master of PNAC.

[Classical_Liberal]

9. It has gone down temporarily before, but were that the case

several people have a record of the whole site, or the important bits.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. Agreed, it could be routine....

Just thought I would let people know that it was gone for now in case it decides to stay gone during the current firestorm.

[NYC]

6. It's gone for me, too.

You were trying to get to "http://www.newamericancentury.org"

Examining the problem . . . .
No spelling errors found in the address.

Perhaps this is what you meant?

Looking up site . . . .
Site "http://newamericancentury.org" has address "63.219.143.152".
Web server named "" not found.

Trying to contact site at "63.219.143.152" . . . .
Server contacted!

Still can't reach site from this computer.
Maybe the site is down. Trying another route . . . .
Site found!

Site isn't responding.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. i got in..it's still up for me

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

:shrug:

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Could be a cached page on your drive...try refreshing....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. opps ..maybe NOT..when i click on anything on the opening page

then i get "page not found"...shityou're right!!

[janx]

8. WOW.

I am speechless.

[Old and In the Way]

15. Well, if WMD was a lie...what was the motive?

The arrogant bastards told us what their plans were, shouldn't be a surprise to anyone on this board. Hope someone can re-mirror the entire contents of that site so that new people, wanting to learn more about PNAC, can find it.

[janx]

21. I understand all of that but am amazed at the timing.

.

[Classical_Liberal]

23. I think Elorial might have done that, but their might be Copyright

issues. So I don't know. Several have their pdfs and screen shots.

[caledesi]

10. This is unreal. Gone, kaput....coincidence..I don't think so.

[Cocoa]

11. too bad; all our foreign policy was there

A lot of it can be gotten via Google cache, however.

And the poor-man's PNAC is still up, at www.avot.org.

[bluedem]

14. Worked for me. Just tried at 10:59 p.m. n/t

,

[wtmusic]

18. Bluedem, get some screen shots

It could just be cached at a proxy server and will disappear soon. It seems like noone else has it.

[Old and In the Way]

19. I suspect that your browser still has a copy of the site in your cache.

Try clearing the browser or go back to the site and clinking on some links...

[bluedem]

33. Yep, you're right. Only main page coming up. Hmmmm. n/t

.

[PunkinPi]

22. not working here 11:02 pm nt

[wtmusic]

17. Dang, I was just checking it out on Friday

William Kristol is out to lunch. Maybe they're just taking it underground? Or it was hacked?

[berry]

24. I copied a lot of stuff about 6 mo ago when there was a similar alert

Maybe this time it really is down--because this started Friday night. And if it's still down, hmmm. I gave up trying to copy it all (started but got interrupted and then didn't finish)--but besides the big pdfs and some other Iraq stuff, I copied all the Asia-related stuff (but not the most recent, alas).

Did nobody mirror the site? Or can't that be done without the original site's permission? I did try yesterday to go to the Google mirror (or whatever it's called), and it was impossible.

On reflection, isn't it rather stupid to do something so blatant as to take down the site just now when it will look the most suspicious?

[bicentennial_baby]

35. Fallout from Ron Paul Speech?

"It is no secret—especially after the rash of research and articles written about the neocons since our invasion of Iraq—how they gained influence and what organizations were used to promote their cause. Although for decades, they agitated for their beliefs through publications like The National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, and the New York Post, their views only gained momentum in the 1990s following the first Persian Gulf War—which still has not ended even with removal of Saddam Hussein. They became convinced that a much more militant approach to resolving all the conflicts in the Middle East was an absolute necessity, and they were determined to implement that policy.

In addition to publications, multiple think tanks and projects were created to promote their agenda. A product of the Bradley Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) led the neocon charge, but the real push for war came from the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) another organization helped by the Bradley Foundation. This occurred in 1998 and was chaired by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol. They urged early on for war against Iraq, but were disappointed with the Clinton administration, which never followed through with its periodic bombings. Obviously, these bombings were motivated more by Clinton’s personal and political problems than a belief in the neocon agenda.

The election of 2000 changed all that. The Defense Policy Board, chaired by Richard Perle, played no small role in coordinating the various projects and think tanks, all determined to take us into war against Iraq. It wasn’t too long before the dream of empire was brought closer to reality by the election of 2000 with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld playing key roles in this accomplishment. The plan to promote an “American greatness” imperialistic foreign policy was now a distinct possibility. Iraq offered a great opportunity to prove their long-held theories. This opportunity was a consequence of the 9-11 disaster."

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm

[Dudley_DUright]

25. Can always use the "wayback machine" at archive.org

check out this link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021124054020/http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Nothing ever really disappears on the web! Find the archive at:

http://www.archive.org/

[wtmusic]

28. thanks dudley

great link!!

[janx]

29. It started to work...I got the index page. But when I went

to a defense policy page and clicked on "Iraq," that part was not archived.

[Dudley_DUright]

31. Try the search function at the archived site

Type in Iraq and you will find lots of documents.

on edit: never mind, they just point back to the original site and are all broken. The links on the left do work however. I was able to get lots of documents that way.

[berry]

34. Maybe it doesn't disappear, but it will be hard to figure out

what was there originally. I just tried out your links, and the "What's New" index is over a year out of date. And when I tried to get a pdf, it wasn't archived yet (but it was over a year old). Then when I tried to get some project memos (I skipped the WP editorials--stuff from elsewhere on the web), they say it may be there, but has to be searched for. So, if someone hasn't got this all organized with indices, and up to date, it may be VERY hard to reconstruct. Well, for me, anyway. I'm quite a web neophyte.

I hope I'm wrong. Or maybe we're all wrong, and the site will pop back up tomorrow??

[onecitizen]

26. Go to: www.pnacrevealed.com nt

nt

[gardenista]

27. This is a good sign. They're trying to hide their agenda.

Glad to see they're pulling it. Waiting for it to reappear with a new name.

[Melinda]

30. They are hosted by CAIS.COM --

"Capital Area Internet Service" in DC.

They also own cais.net. I whois'd em last night, then tried a trace and a ping on their servers - no go.

Looks like the entire IP is down, so it follows that PNAC would be 404.

[alfredo]

32. It is cached at google

So if it is down for good, you can get your copy at google.

[hedda_foil]

36. Does anyone have copies on disk of the 2 "post Iraq War" (lol) letters?

I really need them. If you do, please PM me ASAP. I will be seeing Gov. Dean at a small fundraiser for Jan Schakowsky's PAC and want to give him these letters because the head of the DLC's think tank signed both of these letters.

Thanks,

hedda

[Nashyra]

37. If you do a google it's all gone, but

The PNAC. info is there which is a site that EXPOSES the PNAC. Not very flattering

[Gringo]

38. Good info here,

and a link to the backed-up PNAC site.

http://pnac.info/

[Capn Sunshine]

39. HUBRIS and now panic

Remember just months ago The PNAC roadshow fanned out hitting the various news outlets to "reassure" us that they weren't some spooky group, just harmless theoreticians?

Now from the anti PNAC website: n (pnac.info)
(NOTE: The PNAC website is apparently down. You can find a backup copy of "Rebuilding America's defenses" here.)

So it's been saved all over the place. This sure smells like panic to me

[TeeYiYi]

40. Here's a helpful link . . .

http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000506.html

TYY

[deek]

41. captured

http://pnacrevealed.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.newamericancentury.org

on edit: you'll have to copy and paste the above link. for some reason, i can't get the /*/ to be included.

[Atlant]

47. I've submitted a DU Bug Report about that URL mis-parse.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=121&topic_id=535&mesg_id=535&page=

Atlant

[GalleryGod]

42. Co-inky-Dink!?! I think NOT!!!

Whoa,Nelly!:bounce: ENTIRE websites are heading for the Bunkers!:crazy:

[Isome]

43. Coincidence...

I think NOT! A populace hungry for truth, and with unfettered access to the internet, is bound to locate a source that holds their lies. The site had to go!!

[trumad]

44. From my PNACREVEALED website....

I wrote the "Editors Note" several months ago... Here's a snip...

OK, so let's repeat a couple of facts here.

Number one: The plan to take out Saddam Hussein was hatched long before 9/11. If you don't believe that then have fun reading my web site for ample proof.

Number two: A Bush Administration that was heavily influenced by a group of neo-conservatives from think-tanks like the PNAC lied to the American public about why we had to go to war with Iraq.

http://pnacrevealed.com/editors.htm

Ya see...this is what I marvel at with regards to this whole Niger deal.... Little old Trumad, with very little resources, figured out last year that the Bush Admin lied to get us into war with Iraq!

16 words my ASS!

[niceypoo]

45. I just went there and the site is up

It might be a cookie issue

[trumad]

46. It's back up...

but it wan't a cookie issue.... dozens of folks couldn't access it...

[Gin]

48. It works for me this morning

gm