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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:36 PM
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Halliburton employee home from Iraq says money wasted
Quite interesting, from the Lone Star Iconclast:
http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/22news01.htm

Inside KBR
Halliburton Division’s
‘Questionable Priorities’
Former Texas Employee Home From Iraq Says Money Wasted

(...)

MOSELEY: I don’t know what you hear about what’s going on in Iraq, but I can pretty much imagine that what you hear is not entirely accurate.

ICONOCLAST: Like what?

MOSELEY: Well, let me give you an example. When we were first told we were going over there for weapons of mass destruction, it evolved into we’re freeing the Iraqi people. You know, I can tell you right now that the 100,000-plus Iraqi people who died would argue that point. And that’s why they have the insurgency right now. I do still have contacts, and I still talk to them over in Baqubah. Nationals. The one thing that I’ve always maintained even before I left here is that, you know, I bet there wouldn’t be an insurgency if the United States had packed up a few truck loads of money and started spreading it around. I was telling this to a friend of mine there. His name is Ibraham. He said, you know, if they had packed a few truck loads of apples, they would have voted to be the 51st state in the United States. But they’ve done nothing, absolutely nothing to show that they are there for them. That’s the fact. All they’ve done is showed destruction. That’s it. “We’re stronger than you, so we must be right.”

ICONOCLAST: Is the contractor KBR/Halliburton basically just helping out the people of Iraq directly?


MOSELEY: KBR and Halliburton is the same thing. KBR does nothing for the people. KBR does nothing for the Nationals. Absolutely nothing. That’s the end of that story there. If the military does something for them, that’s completely invisible. I can tell you this with absolute fact. KBR does nothing for the local Nationals. What they do do is what they call the services. They construct things on the camps where the military camps. And some really strange things, too.

(...)

ICONOCLAST: Any other contact you’ve had will Iraqi nationals? What’s their point of view? What do they want to see happen?

MOSELEY: They want to see a gesture on United States’ part. They have not seen one. A gesture being like the truck load of apples or truck loads of medicine, of things they can actually use. They’re tired. They’re very tired of seeing truckloads of troops kicking in doors looking for insurgents. The insurgents would melt away if they would just do something positive for the masses, and they won’t.

ICONOCLAST: But Iraq has a new government, right? Aren’t they in control of their country now? Hasn’t the U.S. military had stepped aside for the most part?

MOSELEY: The Iraqis are not stupid people any more than the Americans are. They absolutely know where Saddam Hussein came from and that’s exactly what they see in this new government. It came from the same place, and why should they think it’s going to be any different? That’s their concept. Nothing’s changed. If anything, it got worse. As a matter of fact, the arguement can be made that it is far worse with Saddam not being there.

(...)

ICONOCLAST: What about al-Queda? Is that a factor?

MOSELEY: Yeah, it’s a factor. It’s a great factor for the Republicans. As long as they can make that connection, war is a good thing. There’s no connection. There was never any connection before until this Abu Musab al-Zarqawi ran out of money so he pledged homage to Bin Ladin.
Now there is a school of thought — I can’t calibrate it one way or the other — that there is no Musab al-Zarqawi. He’s a fictitious character. No one has ever seen him. No one!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:41 PM
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1. Brilliant. Maybe someone will listen to this person.
We can only hope.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:29 PM
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18. What? Listen to a treasonous whistleblower? No way!!! (sarc off) n/t
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:41 PM
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2. But what about....
The schools that are being built?
The hospitals that are being built?

The liberal media does not tell you about the things that are going on over there!!!!!!

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:06 PM
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11. Or what about
the soliders giving the kids toys?!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:15 PM
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15. Repair Work Is Not Good News
I know you're kidding, but that gets under my skin. Even the Pentagon admits that more than 2 out of every 3 schools, hospitals and stores built since the war are merely replacements for the ones we BLEW UP! When MORE people have access to schools, health care, fresh water, sufficient electrical power, etc. than had it before we started dropping bombs, THEN we can call it progress.

In the meantime, this isn't good news. It's just damage control to keep the bad news a little less bad.
The Professor
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:42 PM
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3. the iconoclast is as iconoclastic as ever. Wonder if they are in the
black or red these days.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:47 PM
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4. According to freeper idiots, this guy is a commie pinko
liar. What does he know, he has only been there.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:51 PM
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5. Wow.
I wouldn't mind having a conversation with Mosely myself. He sounds like he has a lot of good information.

So it was a rocket and not a suicide bomber in that mess tent eh?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:52 PM
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6. The Nationals have been laughing over Zarqawi
for quite some time now.

Does he exist? I don't know. It is interesting how he's become the new face of evil.

For Bush etal, Saddam personally killed 100's of thousands of his own people and raped like he was on intraveous Viagra. But Abu Graib was just a few bad apples and reports of torture are "absurd".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:08 PM
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12. What I think with Zarqawi
is he's like how BinLaden is. They just use him as a boogeyman but he's really nothing. In Moore's F911 they show the Bandar guy on Larry King and he told King he met BinLaden back in the early 90's or so and he wasn't impressed with him at all. Like he was nothing to be afraid of and all that. That's what I think with Zarqawi. He's probably a CIA operative too for them to use.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:20 PM
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17. Ghost
He is just a ghost. And if somehow he gets tangled up in the real world, another ghost will be found to replace him.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:57 PM
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7. A fictional character wounded: how quaint
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:05 PM
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9. I say since Osama bin Forgotten, now Zarqawi is Goldstein.
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 02:11 PM by JohnyCanuck
From mdmprsn's GD thread: How US Fuelled Myth of Zarqawi The Mastermind

this guy who has like one eye, one leg and shrapnel all through his body can continually "just barely" get away from elite US special forces with total command of the immediate ground, total command of the air and with the support of our iraqi allies...this guy is truly superhuman.

thanks to fellow DU'ers who help me put this together to counter some neo-con co-workers..thought i'd post it here.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3754613

The BBC: premier propagandist for the imperium

by William Bowles • 10 February 2005

I have written about the mythological Abu Musab al-Zarqawi several times before as have other writers. The question we need to ask is why does the state and hence its servant, the corporate media have need of such a ‘person’? Walker’s article opened with the quote above, a very revealing statement but one that I made here some time last year but for very different reasons. Walker goes on

"This poisonous Jordanian terrorist has done the world a service. Almost at a stroke he has eased away the accumulated grievances between Washington and Paris, between America and Europe, by couching the struggle in Iraq in terms that force even the French onto the side of President Bush."

<snip>


The unquestioning acceptance by the Western media of Zarqawi’s existence is all the more amazing when you consider that before Colin Powell’s embarrassing speech at the UN that sought to justify the invasion of Iraq with an outrageous litany of lies and fabrications, nobody had heard of the man, who is now, we are told “Osama’s right-hand man” or sometimes as his “disciple”. A man who was widely reported as having been killed when the US bombed his ‘poison factory’ in Northern Iraq in 2003. The ‘factory’, yet another fabrication of Western propaganda, most likely the CIA, figured highly in Powell’s UN speech.

One would think that with such an obvious coincidence of ‘press releases’ that ‘coincide' so fortuitously with events like elections, eyebrows would be raised, or at the very least, questions asked about the timing and the content. A search of the BBC’s Website revealed 299 articles that mentioned Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Searching through them we find not a single article that raises any questions about his existence or the timing of statements allegedly made by him. Every article accepts without question the utterances of the US goverment.

http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0307.html

Edited to add another link:

Despite fighting in the CIA-backed war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, (al-Zarqawi) does not adhere to the ideology of al-Qaeda, a view shared by the CIA. Indeed, his name does not figure on its list of the 22 most wanted Islamic terrorists and he has never been mentioned in the list of senior al-Qaeda men in bin Laden's entourage in Afghanistan. (Guardian - 2/2/03)

A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq was killed some time ago in U.S. bombing and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a statement allegedly from an insurgent group west of the capital said.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq “during the American bombing there,” according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the “Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen.”

The statement did not say when al-Zarqawi was supposedly killed, but U.S. jets bombed strongholds of the extremist Ansar al-Islam in the north last April as Saddam Hussein’s regime was collapsing.

It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg. (MSNBC 3/4/04)


http://whatreallyhappened.com/zarqawi_woodenleg.html
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:10 PM
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13. The timing is very giveawayable I think
They seem to have him out in the media at just the right time's. Where's the last place they mentioned he was at? I wouldn't be surprised if they bring him up soon since it is now June.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:42 PM
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20. Shit, that first link is already archived!
For goddess' sake, RESSURRECT AND ADD!!! This is comic book material and would that all our lives not hang in the balance, FARKIN' HYSTERICAL.

Z-A-R-Q V-A-D-E-R

<insert Mopaul's portrait here>
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:05 PM
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8. There was a program on Booknotes about this this past weekend.
The stories were mind boggling! The book "Iraq, Inc: A Profitable Occupation" by Pratop Chatterjee

The biggest scam is multi layer purchasing. He used the following as one example!

Paul Bremmer hired Blackwater off NC, who hired Regent, who hired ESX, who finally provided products to Halliburton. $$ is made at each level!!! It's call the Cost Plus system.

Aparently this same thing is done for everything over there, and ends up adding 5 or more time the actual cost to everything that's done.

I tried to find a transcript on cspan, but didn't get lucky.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:11 PM
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14. Oh wow
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 02:12 PM by FreedomAngel82
Of course they will all lead back to Cheney with all these companies. That's why Halliburton "won" contracts to rebuild Iraqi oil fields. Why not Exon or some other company? Why Halliburton? It leads back to the Bush family.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 04:16 PM
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19. CBC program Unauthorized biography of Dick Cheney
Check out the CBC news program Fifth Estate on Cheney war profiteering and sanction busting.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/dickcheney/

Click here to view the program in Quick Time or Windows Media Player:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/video_player.html?cheney
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:06 PM
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10. He tells it all like it is
He knows how Saddam got there and the Iraqi people know. And it should be fairly obvious if Al-Zarqawi keeps getting the same leg hurt. :crazy: Don't they think about that? Couldn't they make it his arm or something? If you haven't go to http://www.gregpalast.com and watch his segment on Iraqi oil. It shows that's the whole reason for being in Iraq and how the Bush administration already had someone in mind (my guess is Allawi) but other people encouraged the "elections." Have they announced a "president"?
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:18 PM
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16. Didn't Sy Hersh say
that Zarqawi is a "composite" character.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 07:11 PM
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21. I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!
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