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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:03 PM
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American Trauma: are we starting to wake up?
Collectively, we were pulverized and energized by the events of 9/11. Most of us could only pull ourselves together to say, "hey, we're Americans, we were attacked, we are going to pull together as a country and make anyone who did this regret it."

I think that's how I felt. Now I feel like a post traumatic rape victim. It's all cloudy, I only remember bits and pieces, but I feel VIOLATED. Who did this to me? I thought I knew . . . but did I?

One piece of the puzzle seems wrong, does, not fit, has never fit. My President, upon being informed that we were at war, had been ATTACKED, chose to sit in an elementary school for seven additional minutes and then chose to hang around for photo-ops.

Now that we have distance and calm to view this behavior- does it seem RIGHT? Does it seem normal that this is how the President of our country would behave after being notified that we, the United States of America, are under attack by an unknown entity?

I know this question has been raised before. But ask the question today. Now that the emotion of the event has somewhat faded - ask yourself if this is the reasonable response of an American President who has just been informed of an attack upon this country and its citizens.


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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:05 PM
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1. There are certainly a great many that seem to be breaking loose
of the brainwashing... I hope it happens in a tide - otherwise we may have another 'event' to keep us 'in line'.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:16 PM
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6. For those waking up from the fog...Does it seem normal that a President
is not notified in a case of RED ALERT in the Nation's capitol? There are a lot of strange instances related to the War on Terra.

There is the Patriot Act that places American Citizens under surveillance, Real ID. Track each American's movements...sort of like spyware on a computer. 270 million citizens are not all Terrorist network, why do they need to track ordinary citizens...Your Papers in order? You better hope so, and that no one slips on the keyboard and screws up your file.

It is about time to wake up America, before what is left of your rights are gone forever. Wake up and find out what is being done in your name, what you are paying for with your tax dollars...wake up before you become a slave to Corporate America.

WAKE UP!!
:nuke:
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:08 PM
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2. "they" were able to manipulate through fear
"we" are no longer "conspiracy theorists"
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:10 PM
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3. Not a normal response
which is why it was done in realtime in Fahrenheit 911. But there have been so many pathologies on a grand scale since, it's no wonder you feel like you've got PTSD. I think lots of us have it. :( Best wishes for a happier future.

Gyre

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:10 PM
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4. NO-ONE can say for sure how they would have REACTED in his shoes...
we just all know that we DID...


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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:59 PM
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19. The thing that really got me
was his whole day I read about. Just google for Bush's day on 9/11. You'll find it. I thought it was strange how he talked about watching a video of the first plane being hit on tv. There was no such video for a long while. Certainly not then. Then after the plane's hit the towers and he was leaving he took his little rinky-dink time! He didn't rush out or anything! After that he flew around on air force one for about two hours and then went to various military bases! He didn't go straight to the White House or anything like that. I just thought it was so weird and bizarre the whole ordeal.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:11 PM
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5. Absolutely NOT a reasonable response
By any stretch of the imagination. And any doubts I had about the news media's complete capitulation to this administration were removed when I realized that I wasn't even aware that he sat there looking like a stunned idiot while America was under attack until I saw the footage in F/911.

Can you imagine if it were President Gore sitting in that classroom, continuing to be read to by children? They would not have even waited for the bodies to be pulled from the rubble before that was splashed all over every conceivable media outlet.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:24 PM
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7. Even that scenario is a lie
The stupid little shit was informed BEFORE the second plane hit. He was told of the first one prior to leaving the hotel or just as he was leaving. Why did the Secret Service not wisk him away? Also the Flight Attendent Betty Ong was able to communicate to American Airlines, FAA and ATC that they had been hijacked and who what seats the hijackers were in, in addition she desribed the death of the first person on that first flight. Go to the 911 timeline and you can see these facts from the MSM but they have refused to question the WH version. The f*&^%$# idiot was either kept in the dark or he knew it was going to happen and he and his despicable brother would be ok. My guess is the stupid fool was kept in the dark, probably because he would be so stupid as to talk about it when he was drinking.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 08:54 PM
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15. Did he not say he "saw it"? n/t
And I agree on your loose drunken/stoned tongue analogy!

:evilgrin: :toast:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:06 PM
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21. You're right
Edited on Fri May-27-05 11:08 PM by FreedomAngel82
I think they knew it would happen. Bush's brother, Marvin, was at security on 9/11. His contract ended on that day. Coincidence? I don't think so. If you visit the September 11th group look for my post about building seven. Very interesting stuff there. It all leads back to the Bush family. According to various site's I've seen dealing with 9/11 when Bush arrived at the elementary school a reporter asked him if he knew what was going on. He calmly said "oh yeah" and continued on to his photo-op not caring about it. He had the whole "deer in headlights" look planned I believe. He had to so he could blame it on the Saudi's. Why else did they know so fast that they were Saudi's when they were dead? Or supposed to be dead. Another guy was also seen in a Moroco airport who was supposed to be a dead hijacker. I also remember reading that in California a college student had his papers stolen from him. He told the local police but they never got them back. He's someone who is suspected to be a terrorist. Also on September 10th, 2001 the then governor was warned not to fly to New York on 9/11. A few hours before building seven was pulled Guiliani was told and he got out too. In building seven was Guiliani's headquarters, FBI and CIA as well. I also remember reading in the basement of one of the towers there was some gold that was perfectly fine. I think it was stolen but I'm not sure. Silversteen only owned building seven but a few months before 9/11 happened he bought the whole thing. After 9/11 happened he went to an insurance company and got 6.5 billion dollars. He tried to get seven billion. Originally the building's were only worth 2.5 million.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:31 PM
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8. I'm glad that you're starting to see it. I still see too many who are
willing to give him a pass on EVERYTHING, lies about Iraq included.

I remember that on 9/11 I was in my garage sanding a piece of furniture preparing to paint it. My spouse called before noon to tell me that TVA had changed their alert level and asked me to go pick up our kids from school which I did (we live fairly close to a nuclear plant). I spent the rest of the day trying to be a calming influence to them, continued with their normal routine, etc., and after putting them to bed I went back into the garage with my spouse to continue to work on the piece of furniture. We had a radio on and I knew when I heard a pundit on the radio gleefully exclaiming that 'now Bush** will get everything that he wants as far as dramatically increasing military spending. The military will want for nothing. They'll have everything that they need.' This guy was gleeful and gushing about increased military spending on a day that was horrendous!! I was stunned and disgusted and I immediately knew that was much more to this.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:09 PM
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22. How horrible!
That's so disgusting! Oh and you work at TVA? Cool, my dad does too! :hi: What do you do? My dad is a civil engineer and has been for a lil over fifteen years now.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:39 PM
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9. I woke up, and boy am I pissed..................
:mad: My family consists of nothing but Republicans, and they are pissed too. I saw the light, and turned, they are turning too. Loyalty is a big deal to these folks. They feel betrayed, and embarassed that they stood up for this guy, only to be made fools of.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:49 PM
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10. It's true convert...
This criminal crowd used every patriotic impulse and the innate love of country of everyone who was hurt by 9/11 (and that means all of us) and he rammed through every radical fascist wet dream since the Bundt marched on Long Island.

I hope your family is letting their (Real) Republican friends in on the betrayal. They are the ones who must rescue us from this nightmare.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 08:42 PM
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14. I hope you're being honest. And I hope it's a trend. My Dad woke up, too.
If he can vote for Kerry, the repubs have really screwed up.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:28 PM
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16. It's true........
I am from a really "red" area. My Dad was a diehard Republican. I voted for Kerry, and begged him to do the same. He didn't, he voted for Bush, and now he really regrets it. He and my mother get to travel alot and they are looking into buying a home in Australia. He is very embarassed about supporting and voting for Bush. He's every bit as outspoken about Bush, as I am. So, I guess he's trying to make up for it.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:08 PM
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11. brain damage
I really don't think the chimp can make a decision on his own. He relies on advisors for his every move. He relies on speechwriters for his every word (except when he screws up his speeches). If he is allowed to ad lib an answer he says something like in the "propaganda" quote recently. He relies on Scott McClellan to tell people what he means to say. He has some intelligence, but it sure isn't related to language or the ability to analyze a situation and react. It's more in the area of people/political skills, and lying--he's pretty good at that. They didn't even tell him about the Cessna while he was on his bike ride--why bother, he'd do nothing but ask someone else what to do.

What is amazing is how the American people have gradually become used to this situation and stopped even looking to this guy for leadership. What a shock (and welcome relief) it would have been to get a president who could think and act--but that will have to wait for next time.

Maybe the fog of lies that the American people were covered with during the campaign are starting to wear off now. Without constant propaganda and lies, they do start to wake up from their slumbers. The jolt of high gas prices might be helping, as well as the continued bad news from Iraq.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:11 PM
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12. Your president? Oh I see...
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:15 PM
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13. Don't forget how he became George "WW" Bush when he finally
left that schoolroom ("WW" = "Where's Waldo")!

Commander Bunnypants disappeared until late in the evening, criss-crossing the country, running from hidey-hole to deeper hidey-hole. Finally, after sundown, Dubya's stage-mother Karen Hughes made an announcement designed to calm the nation. But by then the stock market had fallen hundreds of points, and air transportation was ruined for years thereafter by unchecked public panic. When the President of the US runs for cover, what's John Q. Public supposed to do?

Just imaging how differently Bill Clinton would have reacted. He'd have been on TV for a calming five-minute update every hour on the hour. He'd have explained how what had happened never could happen again, because no airline passenger ever would assume again that a safe landing in Cuba was on the itinerary after a hijacking.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:37 PM
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17. Lately, I've noticed a sort of forced avoidance.
Apparently, this administration's actions have branched out sufficiently to have a real impact upon everyone. People are tasting rational fear rather the faux fear imposed by the leadership. It's shaking them up. They are engaging in the avoidance necessarily preceding acceptance.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:53 PM
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18. You're right: we were pulvarized
You're supposed to be able to trust your president and feel protected. I remember in 2000 I was disappointed that Gore didn't win and Bush took office. After a while I was starting to sorta like him. I know, I know. But I didn't know what I do now. Then Moore's F911 film came out and I saw it and started doing more of my own research and seeing other docs and talking to people on boards like this. You do feel raped. Like you trusted a boyfriend (or girlfriend of course) and they just cheated on you and you were just starting to trust them. Now I'm pissed off and want some answers on why they cheated and did what they did. Hopefully John Conyers can be our thearpist. ;)
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:04 PM
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20. Things are changing.. the curtain has been pulled back on the wizard n/t
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