I wish DUers gave fuck about media reform.

[Melodybe]

Everytime someone posts about doing something, protesting etc, DUers totally ignore it.

WTF DU? The media and the voting machines are the biggest threats to our democracy and you would rather talk about what an asshole like Bob Novak said!

Give me break!

here is a link to a post of mine earlier about organizing a millions against the media march on Feb. 1, 2006, in dishonor of the telecommunications act of 1996's 10th anniversary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3742029

This is not about me, this is not about attention for my posts, this is about trying to do something that will help.

[paineinthearse]

1. Yours is not a speculative observation.

See how quickly the media posts in GD or GDP sink. Look at the media forum and see the lack or replies.

Guess Paris Hilton is more interesting.

Chin up, Melodybe, there are a few of us who are with you.

[dbt]

3. Yeah. And some of us have been raving about it so LONG

that we're uncomfortably numb.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

15. Yup.

i love the people here, well at least some, but this place is beginning to suck

No fire, no comittment.

But a lot of posts about silly TV shows. You cannot take that away from it.

[andyhappy]

17. you are so right...

there are so many of us on this board...we need to get organized. We need to get focused. We need a leader to point our numbers in a common direction and kick some ass!

I could give a flying fuck about paris hilton...

DU needs to bone up and FIGHT!

Come on SKINNER! Lets get an action section or some kinda focus for all our energy!

[Guaranteed]

51. Certainly not. I've offered a viable solution twice (links below) but

got very little to no response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1586265

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1774746


I don't see anything else we can do. People just aren't up for it, though.

:shrug:

[Guaranteed]

54. I believe we could effectively shut down the broadcast media

if we both boycotted channels to destroy their ratings and their advertisers on a party-wide level.

This idea just doesn't seem to get traction, though.

[Tigress DEM]

57. What TV?

Thing is then only the bozos with no iq are watching and that is the problem - they determine which shows get watched.

We do need some real protests against the media.

[Guaranteed]

63. No, that's the solution.

Half the viewers. That's not how a TV station makes money. Especially when the people that aren't watching are boycotting their advertisers on top of the channel itself.

[Tux]

2. But

American Idol isn't being aired anymore. We're mourning.

I say fuck them all. If they want a biased media, have at it. The Internet is owned by no one. We'll use this our our new media.

[Tigress DEM]

59. On another thread, some DUer was trying to convince his DEM pol...

to take action on vote fraud, but the DEM pol didn't like the non-MSM sources, didn't know if he could trust them or not to be accurate.

There is a group called Fight Big Media, but here in my town I may have to go out and be the organizer in order to get it moving again.

[Tigress DEM]

60. On another thread, some DUer was trying to convince his DEM pol...

to take action on vote fraud, but the DEM pol didn't like the non-MSM sources, didn't know if he could trust them or not to be accurate.

There is a group called Fight Big Media, but here in my town I may have to go out and be the organizer in order to get it moving again.

[paineinthearse]

4. NPR is losing its independence

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3741099&mesg_id=3741099 (if it's not in the archives by now).

[Tigress DEM]

58. Namby Pamby Radio?

[dogday]

5. Hard to Revolt Against The Machine, When The Machine Is the

source that you need to get your word out and to be heard.

[Melodybe]

9. WE have the internet, we have AAR, we have the Daily Show

All corporate media is losing ratings, they are loosing listeners, and they are loosing subscriptions, if no one is listening who the fuck cares what they say or don't say?

[Mugweed]

13. It's "losing" not loosing NT

[derby378]

6. Hey, I'm with you here

I just wonder how effective marches will actually be. They didn't stop * from invading Iraq.

Left a response on your earlier post.

[H2O Man]

7. I have long wanted

to have a loosely organized group of DUers interested in conducting media experiments. Not that long ago, we had a number of people contact an associate editor of the Binghamton, NY Press & Sun-Bulletin, regarding comments Rep. Hinchey made about Karl Rove. On the next Sunday, there was a great editorial backing Hinchey.

I had worked today on an outline with helpful hints for those looking to impact the media from a grass-roots level, regarding the call for a congressional investigation of the Downing Street memo. I go back and forth on if I should post it on DU. The 8 to 10 people who are usually interested already know what is involved, and the vast majority are not particularly interested.

[Swamp Rat]

41. I look forward to reading your ideas about a media experiement n/t

:kick:

[Finder]

44. Good luck

Seems there are lots of discussions about organizing but no commitments and follow-through.

The only posts that become popular lately are those about conspiracy theories, religion or member bashing.

I know personally, I stay away from partisan issues and search for progressive groups and ideas.

I would like more info on your ideas.

[Blue Belle]

8. Some organization thoughts:

Contact some of the organizations that were represented in John Conyers Forum like Media Matters, Randi Rhodes, Al Franken, etc. for publicity about the event. Start a forum here (at the DU) for the event to exchange ideas with other members. Set a date and time and get a permit to for a peaceful protest... just start doing it.

[SharonRB]

31. In case you don't know

the forum will be televised on C-span at 8 p.m. Eastern on Saturday night. I will definitely have my VCR set in case I'm not home. I didn't get to listen to it on Air American the other day.

Edited to add: Conyers has links to video clips on his site at www.johnconyers.com. Got to the Conyers Blog link in the sidebar.

[Blue Belle]

32. Thanks for posting.

I was hoping that they would air that. I look forward to watching it.

[Mugweed]

10. So have you pulled the permits?

Have you made an agenda? Have you retained legal counsel for the inevitable trampling of the rights? Don't claim to be setting up some "millions" anything without an infrastructure. So far you've suggested an idea.

[MazeRat7]

11. Perhaps something more substantiative than a protest is in order.

I'm just guessing here.. but considering how it "didn't work" with the war, then what possibility do we have of it working for media reform ? No, if you want to achieve change in the media we are going to have to figure out how to inflict significant financial hardship on those corporations when they post/air/write bullshit stories.

I have my own ideas, but unfortunately the forum rules prohibit me from enumerating them in any great detail.

MZr7

[lonestarnot]

37. One fucking war protest isn't gona cut it... they have to be daily!

Continuous 24/7!

[Swamp Rat]

42. Yep. Time to ramp it up.

We need to protest, strike, boycott as much as possible!

[lonestarnot]

49. Ramp ramp ramp, strike, boycott, bellow! Tell them how much they blow!

[Swamp Rat]

67. kicking this thread!!!! n/t

[lonestarnot]

69. Kicking it again!

[DireStrike]

12. I don't know anything about organizing. I need marching orders.

You need momentum for this kind of thing. That requires a clear goal and planning. "Fix the media" might not be enough of a rallying point. Those that know how to organize want to make sure they're not wasting their effort.

Talking about media reform, even talking about protesting, doesn't do anything except form people together.

If you want responses about media reform, you should talk about what precisely needs to be changed. If you want mass responses from everybody who pops in to DU for 20 minutes a day, you need to lay everything out. Where and when to march, what the protest should be about, etc...

I don't mean to sound critical, I'm just trying to explain what's going on.

[ComerPerro]

14. Ok: Here's the thing

You posted this thread in one of the big 4. The busiest forums on the site. I mean, GD??? For something that won't happen for another nine months?

What do you expect?

You know how quickly threads can drop.

[SmokingJacket]

16. I think a lot of us DO care.

It's not an easy subject, though, because we also believe in "freedom of the press" -- that we should let MSM have the freedom to dig their own graves.

Marching against the media -- which many people wrongly believe is liberal -- seems out of whack. The message is confusing.

I mean... I AGREE WITH YOU! The Telecommunications act (and other acts before it) was a travesty, in that it deregulates so much, and for other reasons.

But two reasons media reform is not a bandwagon a lot of people jump on might be:

1. A lot of people believe we make much better media via the internet, and that other stuff is over anyway. Let MSM die a quick death.

2. Marching against a specific piece of legislation is too subtle, and comes off (to a random observer) like you want censorship or something.

Please don't accuse DUers of being shallow morons when our lack of interest in your post might NOT have to do with our obsession with Paris HIlton...

[H2O Man]

18. Marches alone are not news.

There is no evidence that the corporate media has reported accurately on any protest march in the past five years. I think marches are fine, but do not think that they are the most likely method for making even minor changes in the media.

("Street theater" is another topic. Abbie Hoffman made it an art. But it takes a willingness to go half-way between simply marching, and willing to be involved in acts of conscience.)

I suspect that the most important thing that people can do is to learn how to get their message across in the "local" news medias. For example, in your local newspaper. It is possible for one person to do a good job of getting a certain point of view across. If there are three of four people organized to address a specific issue in one "local" newspaper, they can do a heck of a lot of good.

There are specific things a person can include in a letter that are going to increase the amount of attention it gets. These are things that the anti-war veterans worked hard to develop over the decades. It takes the effort of dedicated anti-war activists willing to do work that often appears to offer little results at first.

[Coexist]

19. We do - I followed Conyers forum very closely

I feel like some people are on it. Marches are just really hard for me - especially out of town ones.

[ulysses]

20. hey, try starting a discussion on globalization.

It's easy to get overwhelmed, hard to pull together.

[leyton]

21. I think the biggest problem is the echo chamber,

and following that, the people in Congress and the White House today, who have no regard for the two-party system. So I think we need to focus on matching the right-wing echo chamber and training people in the party not to shy away from being bullies. After that, we need to work our tails off in 2006.

[lala_rawraw]

22. You and I both, only I wish that everyone

Gave up on "reform" and turn to the real fourth estate fully... turn their backs on the "BLOCK". I am frustrated my friend, that is true.

[lala_rawraw]

24. Let me add a few more comments on this...

I don't want to reform something that cannot be reformed. I want to support what is already here... we have the journalists, okay a precious few, but we have them... what we need is a delivery mechanism... I have asked people to do Paper Chase, I have given interviews begging people to support the media. I have even defend the rights of journalists I would not invite to clean my toilet.

What we, the journalists need, is you... the people.

[seg4527]

23. I GIVE A FUCK!

There are lots of things DUers don't give a fuck about. There's just so much to give a fuck about, sometimes it's hard to focus. I'm home from school over the summer, so the movements i'm involved in I can't be involved in. If anybody wants to discuss, organize, or let me in on any group of people that is involved in such media activism, I would be glad to help in any way I could, until the school year starts again and I go back to the movements I'm already involved in.

[leveymg]

25. THIS IS MEDIA - You are a journalist. You have an audience of

70K like-minded people (including a few lurkers and egg-throwers). Write an article about something you know about and post it in the appropriate forum. If it sinks, it sinks. Not every worthwhile idea has to be responded to or applauded. The response you get will likely be a useful feedback - like an editor's blue penciled comments.

If you really think your post is worth spreading more widely, send a short segment and a link in an e-mail to other boards and even to print publications. I've seen my posts picked up and appear in the WashPost and a dozen on-line blogs and publications. Check Google after a few days - you may be pleasantly surprised to see that yes, you really are a journalist.

This is already a great media - one that has 70,000 writers and editors willing to help you!

:hi:

[Tigress DEM]

61. Yeah, but we are preaching to the choir here. We know this stuff is true

because in one way or another we have all done our own digging and found enough evidence to convince us.

CNN says it's media's responsibility to lie during war time.
NPR wants to brain wash it's littlest Republicans when they're young.

STRIB pretends to be fair and balanced, but prints the name and pol affil of any DEM involved in a scandal while it may or may not name the Republicans in the same type of scandal or even in THE SAME Article about the SAME Scandal - painting a picture to the public that the only ones who are guilty of anything are the DEMS.

FAUX and other really biased media outlets allow their rethugs to threaten murder on live TV and radio with no consequences.

Ignoring it isn't enough.

[converted_democrat]

26. I'll help in anyway you need me to, and I mean it.............

Just tell me what to do, I have alot of spare time and I have free long distance on my phone. I can make calls or fax anywhere for free. I don't have much, but I will help you in anyway I can. I mean it. Send me a message or whatever, count me in.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Melodybe, I am nominating this thread and I agree with you fully

Even the supposed big issue, BBV, is, in my mind not as big as the media issue. Imagine if the media were pushing the BBV problems as their feature stories. Every water cooler in America would be dispensing hot soup.

Imagine if the Downing Street Memo got some actual air time and a follow-up.

Everything .... **every**fucking**thing** .... that matters to the populace of this board would be getting a fair hearing by the people. Instead we get American Idol and the Jacko trial.

I agree with you fully.


The Media

Is the

Biggest Issue

WE

Face

With no media, everything we talk about, everything we push for, everything we stand for is just bouncing off the four walls of DU.

Sad, really, that it seems to garner so little support and so little post about it. It isn't a side issue. It is THE issue. Win on that and all else will fall into place.

[converted_democrat]

28. Nominated!!!

[BamaBecky]

29. Some of us are too busy to read all the threads....but I

would love to do something to help you with the media problem
Bama

:applause:

[tnlefty]

30. ? Could something be organized in locations sooner rather than

later? For example, at CNN in Atlanta with enough advance notice this summer while kids are out of school so that parents and teachers have the time to show up? Other locations prior to '06, the anniversary, to start raising some cane? My kids started school in early Aug. this past year and they are already out! Most of the things that I'm interested in trying to do are scheduled after they've already returned to school in Aug. for the upcoming school year.

[donkeyotay]

33. The media is the problem. Without their help we wouldn't be in this pickle

rigth now, I'm exhausted. I agree with another poster - the one conrete thing I can do today is put my money into new media and not supporting tv by watching it.

And, I can hardly focus on next week... next year? Arrrgh!

Having said that, I think it's a good idea, one which I could support.

[porkrind]

34. Way to turn on your fellow DU'ers.

Yeah, other DU'ers just aren't as committed as you are.
:eyes:

[lonestarnot]

35. I'm ready where do we go?

[Clark2008]

36. Yeah, well, I WAS media and people here want to bash

realism.

Look, I'm all for getting it out of the hands of a corporate few.

But, we don't need to turn into the bastion of liberalism. It needs to be about facts that lead to truth.

[Andromeda]

38. We do need to generate more interest...

for this very important issue. I do think, however, that many on DU write a lot of letters to members of the media and make their voices heard in many different ways.

The media still ignore us but they are finding it harder and harder to pretend like we don't exist. The Internet has become very powerful and they can't control the message. They try to minimize DU and other leftie web sites, but blogs are becoming so popular they are popping up all over the place. It's hard to get away from them.

MSNBC frequently quotes the blogs, but unfortunately they pay more attention to the right-wing gossip.

I understand your frustration but just be patient. It takes a while to organize something as big as that so just keep plugging away. :)

[LSdemocrat]

39. A march alone never changed a thing

Marches don't change peoples' minds unless there is some utterly ridiculous establishment response to the march (like the use of pit bulls and police violence against civil rights marchers) otherwise marches just end up being large-scale ego trips to make activists think that they are actually doing something worthwhile without actually doing anything.

The best way to protest the corporate media is to ignore it. Don't watch. Encourage others not to watch. Frequent non-corporate forms of media. Create your own media.

[Melodybe]

40. Fox news is down 58% since Nov. CNN only gets a few hundred thousand

people a day. All of the newspaper circulations are down.

People are tuning out, people are turning off the MSM, but the MSM is not changing their tune. That is the point, they don't care if we boycott them. Protesting them in particular is the only way I can think of to let them know that we are on to them and their Bushc agenda.

I need someone in NY, DC, Atlanta, and SF to help wih permits and the more organizations involved the better.

I personally want to talk to someone in Georgia, I want to talk to someone that can help me organize a huge protest that I can actually attend. I suggest those elsewhere do the same.

We must take to the streets about this, while some here may not think that protests are the best answer, I must humbly disagree.

How else will the media, the rest of the country, the rest of the world, know we are on to them, if not in the form of millions marching?

[SolarAxi]

Protests and Marches

"How else will the media, the rest of the country, the rest of the world, know we are on to them, if not in the form of millions marching?"

My question then is, how much media coverage has been given to any of the previous large demos?

One suggestion, (for folks that have the means to travel/gather etc.) is that we have some kind of convention with booths, workshops, speakers, networking and stream it live via the net. Maybe a combo anti-war take back the media kind of thing.

How much money is spent on these huge demos where so much of the time and energy is devoted to marching or standing in "free-speech zones?', not to mention the court costs for folks who get nabbed and the lost wages for taking time off from work? Can't we do this in a way that will be more beneficial to the cause?

PS- If you let it be known that the Mainstream media is NOT invited - they will break their necks trying to cover it.

[Demit]

48. How? By articulating to them exactly what you think is wrong. In words.

Media outlets need readers and viewers--not for the subscription money, but because that's how they set their advertising rates, which is the real money they depend on to survive. They must show their advertisers how big an audience they have (reach) and how desirable it is in terms of income & what it tends to buy.

I feel that demonstrations & marches are too unfocused a tactic, to achieve what you want, what we want. Media outlets are already aware that their readership is dropping. They are having seminars and retreats all over the place to figure out what to do about it. Now is the time to point them in the right direction, by giving them specifics, outlining in detail why you have stopped watching or stopped reading.

If enough people do this, media outlets might begin to see what direction they must go in to get their audiences back; they will have something to point to, empirical evidence, to back it up.

Media outlets set their ad rates through demonstrable statistics; they hire research firms to give them the certified numbers they need to show advertisers. Maybe we at DU can find some way to gather the data of who we are (level of education, annual income, desirable zip codes)--maybe a questionnaire thing devised by Skinner--maybe that would be one way to act in concert. One question could be "Have you cancelled a subscription to a news publication within the last year and why?" Another could be "What is the most important change you'd like to see in news coverage that might make you resubscribe?"

I just don't think you are going to get much of a groundswell--everyday Americans watching your demonstration and saying Yeah! The media is hurting me & must change!

But a barrage of written opinion aimed at the people who already know something is wrong with their business--a concentrated effort maybe coupled with a few press releases about it--I think that might bear some fruit.

[Swamp Rat]

43. Nominated

:kick:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

45. You want to do something about the media? Figure out a way to pry....

...them loose from their very conservative corporate owners, or start delivering REAL news to the masses through an alternative route.

[RAF]

46. I totally agree

For such a huge collection of people who are concerned about the state of our country I see more threads and discussion on hapless subjects dealing with tv sitcoms or bashing sessions on fellow Democratic representatives.

On the whole, activism I witness around DU is minimal at best. The power is already here all that is needed is better support and organization.

....and please, I'm not trying to attack anyone personally or DU itself. DU is a huge element to the future of our party.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. If we have a 1 million man, woman and child march against the media,

WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO TELEVISE IT??????? NO ONE! It's just like the anti-war protests. There were hundreds of thousands of protesters, but NO ONE knew about it because the RW corporate/government owned TV networks REFUSED to air them. What good does a protest do if no one knows about it? No one would know about it because the government owned networks WON'T AIR IT. Just sayin'....the RW has total control over us, the media, the congress....everything. The ONLY way to take back the media will be by the journalists themselves.

I suggested last week that 100 LIBERAL minded journalists invade, storm, take over a network and go on the air and spill the beans on the republicans...it's the only way. The journalists can tell the sheeple what is happening and the government won't be able to murder 100 journalists for telling the truth. THAT would be too suspicious.

[Vincardog]

50. I have two words for you

Direct Mail
Write up what you the facts that you feel the most people will be really pissed off to hear. Have it mailed to a few hundred thousand people. Ask them to ask their News media why they didn't carry the story.

[cestpaspossible]

52. What I'm doing about media reform:

I don't support corporate media with my money. That seems a lot more effective than whether or not I reply to a DU thread.

[PowerToThePeople]

53. We do care. Closest thing to MSM that I take in is NPR. n/t

[Sapphire Blue]

55. Links

FreePress: http://www.freepress.net/index.php

Center for Media & Democracy: http://www.prwatch.org /

Media Matters: http://mediamatters.org/

Use them!

[symbolman]

56. Takebackthemedia.com

meaning ME, has been fighting this issue for more than three years - we took a year off to make a film that is in legal limbo land right now, but we are BACK BABY..

We've done a lot of good, but many of the new folks here have no idea and so some would rather talk about who's gay and why we don't back the Green Party, etc.

TBTM is restarting our Weekly Radio Show this week, and besides the media we take the Admin to task as well - why not support US, at least listen to the radio show when we launch it this weekend and to tell you the truth we are working on a kick ass plan that will involve a LOT Of people and will be a PERFECT way to actually Take the Media BACK.

MOre on that as we create the vehicle to do it.. please take a lap around our site and check out our animations, we've boycotted Limbaugh and kicked his ass while doing it, been sued by Michael Savage, created commercials that ran all over the eastern seaboard on CNN, etc during the Primaries.. we don't sit on our asses, and we DO need your help.

Some donations would be cheerfully accepted as well and put to GOOD use, we will get results and take no prisoners.

We even forced CNN to put back 750 words in a Hans Blix report on the SAME DAY they removed them.

I've been on O'Reilly once, Scarborough twice (the first time he threatened to turn off my mike, the second time we had him cornered with our ad "ARMY OF ONE" and he could do nothing but PRAISE US - I called it a Rovian Moment, where he had NO CHOICE but to do what we said or be called a traitor to the troops..)

And we will be doing lots more, but need help - we have the machine in place, just need more GAS, and that means CASH if anyone cares to help.

Trust us and help us, and send us any ideas you have as well and we'll see about using our contacts to further them.

Here's our link, pass the word please :)

http://www.takebackthemedia.com

Best,

Symbolman

[TheUnspeakable]

68. SYMBOLMAN-I am honored by your presence !!!!

I am a HUGE fan of your movies-TBTM was one of the very first progressive sites I ever visited (thanks to Randi Rhodes)When I saw
"9/11 An American Requiem" It blew my mind! because of computer problems, I haven't been able to watch anything online,so yesterday
I went down to the the library and watched "Army of One' and "Murder by Numbers" You so rock!!!!! I HIGHLY recommend that other DUers
watch these as a Memorial Day tribute-they keep you inspired and
ready to keep on fighting to fix our sad nation. Thank you for the great work! Link to list of films <http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/search.php?query=flash+symbolman&keyType=all&datestart=&dateend=&topic=0&type=all&author=0&mode=search >

[Tigress DEM]

62. I really care, pm me if any plan forms.

I thought a nice sneaky thing we could do for memorial day and maybe some days weeks beyond is to put out the letter from Conyers inside some of the mainstream papers.

You know, buy a paper, insert some freebies?

MSM hasn't got time to deal with these things and it would be a covert thing we could do to help restore their journalistic integrity.

[Guaranteed]

64. You already read my idea.

Then you dismissed it, even though it's the only thing that can be done.

A party-wide boycott of a certain corporate news network and their advertisers. That is the strongest, surest way of getting our point across. It would, in fact, destroy them if they didn't listen to us.

[Melodybe]

66. But they already have so much money, although I am quick to believe that

Corporations in general are greedy and will always want all of our money, part of me feels like they have already tapped America pretty dry.

Everyone I know is hurting for money more than they were 5 years ago.

I kind of feel like protests are most important for letting us on the left know our true numbers.

I know it is scary to have a protest and not many folks show up, but when hundreds, thousands, or millions show it is always awe inspiring. To be a part of it, to be surronded by those you know agree with you is a very beautiful thing.

I want to portest, I want to start seeing our real numbers, you read the polls America is turning on Bush. Don't believe their lie about Bush's approval, they are giving him about 10 points, look at the issues questions as of late we always are on the winning side, the media, Terry Schiavo, the war, SS, Tom Delay, the filibuster, etc. It is impossible for people to feel so strongly about these issues and be happy about our current political situation and Bushco.

Protesting is masses of like minds and hearts shouting truth to power, that is its history and that is why we do it.

[sintax]

65. You are the media

Speak out in public. Leaflet.

"That we are being propelled in the direction of Brave New World is obvious. But no less obvious is the fact that we can, if we so desire, refuse to co-operate with the blind forces that are propelling us.

For the moment, however, the wish to resist does not seem to be very strong or very widespread."

-- Aldous Huxley

[Wilms]

70. kick n/t

[deutsey]

71. I've come to see DU as a great place for getting info and for

posting info (both serious and frivolous). In other words, it's an Internet discussion board, not an activist forum (I mean organizing people and getting them out in the streets kind of activism).

I have felt the same frustration you express here, but I decided to put my activist energy into face-to-face groups.

[flvegan]

72. Well, I'm going to a protest on Thursday.

In front of the Fox 13 station for their failure to report on the Downing Street memo.

It's not a million folks, but it should be a good group.

I love a good protest.

[Wilms]

73. kick n/t

[Melodybe]

74. Kick because I meant what I said and want to keep this post and others

like it around.

I still want to find some folks in NY, DC, Atlanta, and SF to help get the ball rolling.

[cascadiance]

75. I do think we need to do something more substantive than just March...

We need to find some other way to communicate that we are protesting the media, without relying on them to talk about it to others.

Some ideas:
1) Find some way of disrupting the transmission of media...
- preferably not destructive, but some way to temporarily introduce "noise" into tv and radio broadcasts, cable broadcasts, ways of keeping people from pointing towards satellites in the sky. If we can find some naturally occurring phenomenon that would wreak havoc on transmission of media signals, that wouldn't be destructive or criminal in nature and perhaps just have a few hours or a day of length just to get the message across, that might be effective. Maybe having some legal way of a crowd of people releasing some large amounts of smoke or the like near a satellite uplink for a TV station that might be enough to disrupt it or something like that.
2) Follow newspaper carriers in the morning before the "march" and add a flyer to the newspaper being delivered.
3) everyone tune out TV and if they have to watch something, just watch a DVD or something like that.
4) Maybe talk Sundance or some other network channel to have an all day broadcast of the protest, and then EVERYONE tune as many TVs as possible to that channel, to help produce a spike in ratings for that channel to show the large group of people that are disaffected. Maybe have some retired news media folks or others that can work freelance all join together to put a temporary "alternative" news station on this channel for that day that would be linked to and promoting blogs, etc.

Get Patrick Leahy, Dennis Feingold, Paul Simon, and John McCain to speak at such a rally as the only senators to vote against that legislation then. Have a tribute to Paul Wellstone who voted with them too.

[Dora]

76. kick

the media is the problem

[Melodybe]

77. Kick cause I still have heard nothing from folks in NY, DC, and SF

I found a person to help in Atlanta, I would like even more.

[Juice45]

78. I love threads about the media because

they are a great place to get info debunking the "librul" bias myth. It's a wonderful place for ammo. Keep it up.

[Melodybe]

79. Still looking for help in NY, DC, and SF

Atlanta is looking good though.

We need permits to make this happen, I am MS, I need you to volunteer a few hours of your valuable time to help us.

Everyone this could be huge we have plenty of time to organize the biggest FUCK YOU! the American media has ever seen.

[Melodybe]

80. i just got a few folks that want to do something in Miami

and Chicago.

Thumbs up ya'll, but we need all the help we can get.

Feb. 1, 2006 be there or be stuck in a fascist POS country. Your choice.