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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:03 PM
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Do you know what your Vietnam Lottery Number was? Or if you had been 18...
...in 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972 or 1973, what would it have been?

I was 8 years old the last year the Lottery was held, but according to the lottery, I would have been drafted in all but 1972-73.

Check it out.

THE VIETNAM LOTTERIES

Also you can check your registration status and the status of those in you State.

<http://www.sss.gov/records.htm>

Georgia has a 99% compliance, California, New York, Navada...WTF?

<http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/ReportCardMap2003.pdf>

<http://www.sss.gov/y2003stats.htm>
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:05 PM
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1. 58, and I was an 18 year old high school dropout....
Edited on Thu May-26-05 09:07 PM by mike_c
Missed it by "this much...."

Wow on edit-- I said 56 before I checked. The real number was 58. I must be getting older....
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:05 PM
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2. Same as Big Dawg's #311 !
Edited on Thu May-26-05 09:06 PM by GalleryGod
:patriot: Tipper didn't get one,but, she was born the same day:patriot:
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:07 PM
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3. Actually, the lottery is why I enlisted in the Air Force...
My number in 1973 was 35, as in "start packing!".
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:08 PM
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4. In 1969
Edited on Thu May-26-05 09:10 PM by hobbit709
I was 19, 1-A and my number was 98. Being 19 you don't listen to anything your old man tells you but this time I did. He told me if I went into the Army he would kick my ass every step of the way from home to the induction center, which was 45 miles away. He spent 12 years in the Army Airborne, saw 18 months combat in korea, said it was about as fucked up as Nam except at 40 below zero. So I "proudly" enlisted in the Air Farce.

p.s. My draft notice caught up with me at Lackland AFB during basic.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:08 PM
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5. 9
I got my number and went for the physical, but the draft ended, thank god!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:55 PM
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24. Me too!
That was a most depressing experience. I remember guys eating lots of butter and sugar to get their BP up in hopes that they'd 4F their physicals. Claiming to be "gay" was another route, but I think the Army was on to that by '72...
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:41 AM
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36. We share the same birthday and are deadheads, too?
Cosmic!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:53 AM
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39. Damn close
see my post below....who knows? Maybe we even commiserated about our fate somewhere in Boston in '73....

:-)
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:08 PM
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6. One
As in, #1.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:11 PM
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7. I got 350
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:12 PM
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8. That's a bit creepy ...

I too would have gone in all years but one. I was born in '69, and that year my number would have been 008, which means nothing, but it feels odd.

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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:13 PM
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9. 300 in 1971
Went for my physical, passed. Freaked out. Talked my way into a deferment by pointing out a swelled tendon on my foot. Got back to the local draft board & convinced them it was permanent. Otherwise, Alberta bound.


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:14 PM
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10. anybody remember this problem with the early draft lotteries?
Edited on Thu May-26-05 09:21 PM by Lisa
http://www.amstat.org/publications/jse/v5n2/datasets.starr.html

It gets cited a lot in statistics courses. Even though I'm female, and was too young anyway -- being born in December, I remembered this!


"This lottery was a source of considerable discussion before being held on December 1, 1969. Soon afterwards a pattern of unfairness in the results led to further publicity: those with birthdates later in the year seemed to have had more than their share of low lottery numbers and hence were more likely to be drafted. On January 4, 1970, the New York Times ran a long article, "Statisticians Charge Draft Lottery Was Not Random," illustrated with a bar chart of the monthly averages (Rosenbaum 1970a). It described the way the lottery was carried out, and with hindsight one can see how the attempt at randomization broke down. The capsules were put in a box month by month, January through December, and subsequent mixing efforts were insufficient to overcome this sequencing. The details of the procedure are quoted in Fienberg (1971a) and the first three editions of Moore (1979, 1985, 1991)."
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:14 PM
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11. That was a tense night in 1969. Mine was in the high 200's
which pretty much was a relief, although many of my friends didn't fare that well. It was then and there that some of their lives were drastically changed. I remember all the bars giving free drinks that night to anyone whose number was 1. What a bummer.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:20 PM
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14. My boss says that a guy in his dorm hurled a chair into the TV set
... after his number came up. It wasn't 1, but low enough to go.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:15 PM
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12. Number 5
I was drafted but managed to get myself rated 4-F at the physcial.
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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:20 PM
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13. 18
Last year of lottery so it didn't matter
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:22 PM
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15. What's GWB's birthday?
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:24 PM
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17. July 6th
Growing up, I bet he thought all those fireworks were for HIM.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:24 PM
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16. mine was 235. my brother's was 2.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:36 PM
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18. Eee! #1 at the beginning
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ben_thayer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:37 PM
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19. 45
1A. Managed to hang on to a student deferment from the local community college for a couple years but lost it. I was only days from being called up when the draft was ended. Closest call of my life!


:scared:
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:43 PM
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20. Who would ever forget it
Mine was 8

Did the pre-induction physical and then Nixon ended to draft trying to save HIS hide.

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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:44 PM
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21. 361!! I remember that day very well
I was driving in my car and heard it on the radio. I almost drove off the road. I came home and told my Republican parents. My mother said, "Well, you could have always gone to Canada." I couldn't believe that a Nixon supporter would have said that.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:45 PM
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22. #24 in the '72 draft
I still remember that awful sinking feeling.......
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:50 PM
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23. Never got a draft lottery number. I enlisted while I was 17 years
old.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:57 PM
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25. Fourteen
I was one of those dumb draftees that added "no value, no advantage, really, to the United States armed services over any sustained period of time." - Rumsfeld....The royal asswipe.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:08 PM
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30. Man, that pissed me off worse than anything that no good prick
Edited on Thu May-26-05 10:19 PM by Hubert Flottz
has said or done yet! Fuck That MoFo!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT} The very first thought that entered my head when Rumbo made the "No value, no advantage" statement about the draftees, was about my friends who NEVER CAME BACK!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:58 PM
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26. I was lucky for two reasons, # 362 and I'm a female
but it didn't stop me from protesting all over the Bay Area in the 70's
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:01 PM
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27. Mine was 136 in the first lotto and I got my notice the first of Feb.
Edited on Thu May-26-05 10:14 PM by Hubert Flottz
1970! Talkin' about a sinking feeling!

Edit} Very shortly after I got that Greetings letter from uncle sugar I found myself in a "Military Bind"(World Of Shit)at Fort Ord California! It was not a pretty sight!
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:05 PM
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28. The year I was up
I think in 1971, my draft # was 157. The army only took up to 75 or something that year. I suspect I would have gone if it came to it, although I was somewhat relieved that I lost that lottery.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:06 PM
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29. They got me in 1970 when I was almost 24.
I had graduated from college and worked a few weeks as 1-A and just waiting for the greetings. Somehow, they never came and I was put in the lottery. Can't remember the number - maybe 196 or 198. I was told they probably wouldn't go much past 150 in my area, so I got a better job and was living the life of Riley when the notice came 10 months later. I think they went to about 225. Talk about being not ready and out of shape for basic. I lost from 190 to 160 in like 4 weeks but got in great shape.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:14 PM
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31. forty-six
It was the 1972 draft lottery (for those born in 1953). I remember that they were predicting that they would call between 45 and 50...I was called for my physical, but ultimately they didn't draft anyone that year (I think).

onenote
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:43 PM
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33. Sure they did
As I noted earlier - I was 8 that year. I'll never forget going to the pre-induction physical and seeing the faces of those who DID get drafted in what turned out to be the last call before Nixon ended the draft. I have often wondered how they made out.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 04:11 PM
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47. Only 646
That was the number of draftees inducted into the military in 1973 (which would be the folks whose numbers were drawn in 1972). Hopefully none of them actually were sent to Vietnam.

http://www.landscaper.net/draft70-72.htm#Lottery%20Held%20February%202,%201972
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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:26 PM
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32. I was 4-F, so I didn't worry about it... n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:15 PM
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40. What did you have to do to get 4-F? and are the grades...
...in between 1-A and 4-F?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 04:18 PM
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49. the classifcations varied over time
Here's a list of some of them:

Draft Board Classifications
The following is a list of Selective Service classifications
that could be assigned by draft boards:


I-A Available for military service
I-A-0 Conscientious objector available for noncombatant military service only
I-C Member of the armed forces of the U.S., the Coast and Geodetic Survey, or the Public Health Service
I-D Member of reserve component or student taking military training
I-H Registrant not currently subject to processing for induction
I-0 Conscientious objector available for civilian work contributing to the maintenance of the national health, safety, or interest
I-S Student deferred by statute (High School)
I-Y Registrant available for military service, but qualified for military only in the event of war or national emergency
I-W Conscientious objector performing civilian work
contributing to the maintenance of the national health, safety, or interest
II-A Registrant deferred because of civilian occupation (except agriculture or activity in study)
II-C Registrant deferred because of agricultural occupation
II-D Registrant deferred because of study preparing for the ministry
II-S Registrant deferred because of activity in study
III-A Registrant with a child or children; registrant deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents
IV-A Registrant who has completed service; sole surviving son
IV-B Official deferred by law
IV-C Alien
IV-D Minister of religion or divinity student
IV-F Registrant not qualified for any military service
IV-G Registrant exempt from service during peace (surviving son or brother)
IV-W Conscientious objector who has completed alternate service contributing to the maintenance of the national health, safety, or interest in lieu of induction into the Armed Forces of the United States
V-A Registrant over the age of liability for military service
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:45 PM
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34. 67! I glad I was born two years too late.
I would have been shooting at Charlie!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:40 AM
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35. Kick n/t
:kick:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:42 AM
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37. 335--and Nixxon could kiss my shiny metal ASS!
:hippie:
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:46 AM
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38. Used to watch the lottery in high school
My numbers were always in the last third. By the time I was old enough, the draft had been ended.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:21 PM
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41. Turned 18 in 1974
Had to register, but the lottery was suspended by them.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:22 PM
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42. In 1971, I HAD THE WINNER!!!, 365.
Edited on Fri May-27-05 12:36 PM by triguy46
From that day I went from worrying about my ass, to trying to stop the war, (and try to drink every beer I could find). I did get drunk that night, in beautiful Cameron, MO.

Of course, winning that lottery means I'll never win the powerball. I won my life.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:27 PM
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43. If this lottery were held today my sons would be #3 & #41
OH MY GODDESS!!!
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:31 PM
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44. 355, thank God!
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micrometer_50 Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:33 PM
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45. I'll never forget mine - #26 1969
Joined USAF to beat the draft.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:35 PM
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46. I watched the lotto from the "O" Club in 1969.
My number was 217, but I already had orders to Vietnam.



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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 04:14 PM
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48. I would have been prime choice, eligible for all the years of the draft...
luckly, my sisters were born first and then my brother and I. If it was the other way around, don't know if I'd still be here writing this.
Weird concept.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 04:18 PM
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50. mine was #318
hate to say it this way, but Clinton would have gone before me.

I still got out and protested, even though it was assured that I would never get called. And I think this was some of the Nixon evil-genius at work, assure over HALF of the pool that they would not be called and you defuse the anti-war effort somewhat, removing some of the people, now no longer concerned that they themselves could be called up. make sense?
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