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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:05 PM
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Galloway: “We feel that the real criminals are them.”
Today, Jim VandeHei in the Washington Post comes about as close as anyone in the corporate media to stating the obvious, the consolidation of power by the Republicans is essentially complete.

As many here long ago realized, Bush has acted with dictatorial authority regarding whatever policy or practice, wherever he desires - unbound by ethics, by compassion, by law.

GOP Tilting Balance Of Power to the Right

By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 26, 2005; Page A01

<snip>

“Yet, amid the partisan rhetoric, a little-noticed fact about modern politics has been lost: Republicans have already changed how the business of government gets done, in ways both profound and lasting.

The campaign to prevent the Senate filibuster of the president's judicial nominations was simply the latest and most public example of similar transformations in Congress and the executive branch stretching back a decade. The common theme is to consolidate influence in a small circle of Republicans and to marginalize dissenting voices that would try to impede a conservative agenda.”

<snip>

Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/25/AR2005052501997.html


Interestingly, today we also have a report of comments from MP George Galloway that leave no room for doubt how he views Bush’s regime.

He said the US was the real criminal over the war in Iraq.

“They think that they rule the world and that everyone is afraid of them.

“But I’m not afraid of them and neither are the millions, maybe hundreds of millions, of people around the world who feel the same way as me.”

“We feel that the real criminals are them.”

Link: http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4609916


As I've noted in recent posts, we need to climb to a vantage that enables us to realize that while we are desperately trying to save one 'tree,' dictator Bush and his neoconster gang have been clear-cutting the 'forest' -- our Constitution, our America. They began clear-cutting on Dec 9 2000 and they have not stopped.

From the first moments of Jan 2001 he and his corporate partners have accelerated the destruction of the environment that sustains civilization. And, on March 19th 2003, they earnestly began clear-cutting civilization.

In the face of such willful destruction and the growing recognition that 'the world knows,' something else happened today that might well serve to stop dictator Bush, that might well could serve as the rallying coalition for a concerted, massive opposition to the anti-American neoconsters.

Today, “AfterDowningStreet” (ADS) announced a concerted effort to investigate Bush and effectively any individual in his administration involved in misrepresenting to Congress and the citizens his war on Iraq.

www.afterdowningstreet.org

MEMORANDUM

To: Rep. John Conyers, Jr.
From: John C. Bonifaz
Date: May 22, 2005
RE: The President’s Impeachable Offenses

The recent release of the Downing Street Memo provides new and compelling evidence that the President of the United States has been actively engaged in a conspiracy to deceive and mislead the United States Congress and the American people about the basis for going to war against Iraq. If true, such conduct constitutes a High Crime under Article II, Section 4 of the United States Constitution: “The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

In light of the emergence of the Downing Street Memo, Members of Congress should introduce a Resolution of Inquiry directing the House Judiciary Committee to launch a formal investigation into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its constitutional power to impeach George W. Bush, President of the United States.

<snip>

More at link:
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/alexandrovna/memo_bush_impeachable_offenses_526


Given the organizations that have already joined in that ADS coalition, they reach a substantial number of citizens. Please urge them to team with those members of Congress willing to stand against the dictator Bush, and begin dismantling the stranglehold on our Constitution, on the Republic that he and a small band of anti-American neocon fanatics have established.

In other words, I think actions beyond those recommended by Mr Bonifaz need to be advanced: strong actions, including building citizen support for Senator Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi to stop the folly of business-as-usual in the Congress and force every citizen to face the reality that "the real criminals" are anyone supportive of dictator Bush and his neoconster gang.

A few specifics as to what Senator Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi should do have already been posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3688434#3690417

Peace.


It has happened, Mr Lucas


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - how ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:13 PM
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1. you're totally right
thanks
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:06 AM
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7. Thank you!
Peace.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:18 PM
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2. Everyone Following The Pied Piper & Hitler
Stage RIGHT!

I just want to know how I can let those 10's of millions of people that I'm not one of THE CRAZY AMERICANS!!

My car is plastered with Anti-Bush bumper stickers, do you think that will do??

Maybe I need to put signs in my yard... this is getting to be the land of the FEARED and I'm A-Feared!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:13 AM
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11. "this is getting to be the land of the FEARED and I'm A-Feared!"
So am I. So very much more so than when I watched 14th St in DC burning; than when I watched Watts burning; than when I saw the first bits of coverage of the Tet offensive in 1968 or when I saw Nick Ut's photo or when I opened the NYTimes and saw Ellsberg's first exposure of the "Pentagon Papers"......

Yes. Since the minutes and hours after the news of Saturday morning, Dec 9 2000, I have feared for "America" and civilization, constantly.

And, those hours between ~ 8pm EST and 2am EST, Nov 2 & 3, 2004 will always be way more horrifying than any of the above, including 9/11.

I join you in being A-Feared.

I hope you join me in refusing to allow the next generation to ever have such an experience.

Peace.

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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:28 AM
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18. If We Impeach Bush NOW
The rest of the world will know we oppose his malfeasance.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 08:35 PM
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3. Thank you UL... this is important
Signed petition and sent out to dozens more to do the same.

Recommended & kicked...... :kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:00 AM
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6. Thank you. Thank you so very much.
Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Why are they dying; why are they dying; why....
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 11:48 PM
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4. In the emailed Wash Post politics topics today, this was in the subject
line of the email. So it's not only on PAGE A01, it's really being emphasized by the paper. Here is the subject line for the Politics mailing from Wash Post: Politics: GOP Tilts Power to the Right

I am hoping that this indicates that SOMEBODY on the editorial board at the Wash Post is waking up at long last and realizing just what a disaster is in store for this country, including them, if they keep compliantly boosting Bushie policies they way they have been.

This is important. Recommended.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 11:59 PM
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5. "I am hoping that this indicates that SOMEBODY on the editorial board...
.... at the Wash Post is waking up at long last..."

Hope, I share that sentiment totally with you.

Oh, if only the corporate media would laser focus on the lies, the crimes, the countless murders and atrocities of dictator Bush and his neoconster fellow criminals, we might finally move toward resolution, legal and peaceful resolution, of a threat to the 'enlightenment,' to 'humanity and civilization' that, without a doubt, is the most severe in the history of the planet.

These people truly have the power to eliminate life from the planet; the one's who have propagandized the 'life values' are it's most lethal enemies.

How ironic; and, yet, irony is often the most crystal clear mirror of reality.

Peace and thank you.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES, NOW
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:12 AM
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9. I actually believe there are cracks in the media stonewall that has kept
the river of truth dammed up. (My metaphors at this time of night tend to get a bit fulsome, but you doubtless get the idea.)

The Newsweek suppression incident did not go over well wth the rest of the Big Media. And now there are multiple other very strong sources - like the Amnesty International report - that makes the cave-in over that Koran desecration business look very weak-moralled (if that is a word). Newsweek has publically committed to having the DOD check its articles before they are published. Is that really what the media want to have? Why have them at all - eliminate the middle man and just pipe the WH propaganda direct to the TVs. Hello, Orwell's world.

An at the base of it all, it's so obvious that the country is going over a horrible one-way cliff. No matter how cowardly and sycophantic, at some point people with brains have to realize that supporting the fall is NOT in their best interests.

Peace and thank you, too, UL.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:38 AM
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25. And all of those "cracks" are just as observant as we are!
I think you're very right when you say the Newsweek debacle was a slap felt by many more than just that publication. If anyone watched ABC's Nightline that was on that Monday night, (May 16, I believe), right during the time the "cave-in" happened, we got to hear the editor, Mark Whitaker, stating that they were retracting their story. However, in discussing that with ABC's Chris Bury, Whitaker also assured him that it didn't mean they were retracting the info on the Koran desecration, just their reporting that the Pentagon investigation had confirmed that desecration.

Whitaker also made a point of stating that two separate DOD officials had been presented their little story, BEFORE it was published, to make sure it was okay! One made no comment at all; another brought up questions about other points in those short paragraphs, but said absolutely nothing about the Koran bit. I think Bury even asked him then if these were officials who might be considered "the source" and Whitaker responded that they were Pentagon spokesmen who regularly vet such things for Newsweek, for accuracy and security, and they were NOT in any way "the source" of the info about the Koran investigation. Daniel Klaidman, Newsweek Washington Bureau Chief, was a bit more vague in his telling of it, but basically reiterated that the Department of Defense had cleared that story for publication, with no dispute on the Koran desecration investigation.

Don't know what happened overnight, but the next day, the only news that was being reported was that Newsweek was retracting, and not a one of them mentioned these important qualifications. Even ABC, who usually will cover or mention whatever Nightline highlighted the night before, on their following-day evening newscast, didn't say a word about Bury's report or Whitaker's statements.

All that tells me is that the magazine was already "getting permission" from above, the DOD is who screwed up in not realizing the impact that story may have, and possibly set the magazine up to take a hit, deliberately. That was the entire impression that was given by the Nightline program that night.

So, obviously, the Pentagon must have stepped in again, to assure THAT report wasn't widely heard or, more likely, it was the BIG BOYS at the WH.

I believe that every single journalist who operates on strong principles, whether they support this administration or not, felt the heat and the unscrupulousness in the treatment of their trade last week! While the toadies may write the paychecks, ink the presses and monitor the airwaves, I still have confidence that some of the minds of our media haven't yet been snatched. We've reached a time for Common Sense to begin breaking out and I hope there are many Thomas Paines who recognize the Crisis!

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:25 PM
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26. What an excellent post! I believe you have it exactly right. I hope
a lot of people read what you have written on the Newsweek debacle.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 04:50 PM
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33. Thanks! It's hard to find any verification, now, of Whitaker's statement.
Nightline doesn't have online transcripts for free and the ABC website just has the standard hogwash that we've been hearing for more than a week. When I searched that next day, some news agencies like Reuters were reporting Whitaker's words truthfully, but have since corrected or changed their articles, to sound more questionable.

Here's one example, this article was written by
David Morgan and is archived at Reuters, dated May 15, 2005:

Newsweek says erred in Koran desecration report
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8494517&pageNumber=1

~snip~

"Newsweek's Whitaker said that when the magazine first heard of the Koran allegation from its source, staff approached two Defense Department officials. One declined to comment, while the other challenged a different aspect of the May 9 story but did not dispute the Koran charge.

The magazine said other news organizations had already aired charges of Koran desecration based "only on the testimony of detainees."

"We believed our story was newsworthy because a U.S. official said government investigators turned up this evidence. So we published the item," Whitaker said."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now here's one that was snagged from Reuters the next day, copied and pasted on another website, written by the same guy, David Morgan, but it had much more detail:

Newsweek says Koran story wrong
http://homelandsecurity.osu.edu/focusareas/social.html

~snip~

"There had been previous reports about the Koran being defiled, but they always seemed to be rumors or allegations made by sources without evidence," said Whitaker, referring to reporting by British and Russian news agencies and by the Qatar-based satellite network al-Jazeera. The Washington Post, whose parent company owns Newsweek, reported a similar account in March 2003, attributing it to a group of former detainees. "The fact that a knowledgeable source within the US government was telling us the government itself had knowledge of this was newsworthy," Whitaker said in an interview.

He said a senior Pentagon official, for reasons that "are still a little mysterious to us," had declined to comment after Newsweek correspondent John Barry showed him a draft before the item was published -- except to challenge an unrelated point -- and that the magazine would have held off had military spokesmen made such a request. Whitaker said Pentagon officials raised no objection to the story for a week after it was published, until it was translated by Arab media outlets and led to the rioting."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It really makes one wonder but this explains why there haven't been any firings, at least. Everyone keeps harping about learning the name of that "source"; all I want to know is what two Pentagon officials had the opportunity to read that draft and didn't raise a fuss BEFORE that article was printed up for the world to read, if what was published wasn't true!







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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:03 PM
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34. I believe you should put together this series of "truth corrections"
into an article, or at least a post on its own. I do believe an article would be better. You could chill everyone further by citing some of the "thought police" stuff from Orwell's 1984. That is exactly what is happening here - like the protagonist in that book, the records of history are changed to suit the propaganda interests of the government.

This is very, very important. Please consider doing this. You have already done the digging for it. You could send it around on the internet and it would be seen, I do believe.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:57 PM
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27. "I hope there are many Thomas Paines who recognize the Crisis!"
Excellent post! And, I share your hope.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 11:25 AM
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38. Except what we are hearing now from the right is Newsweek Lies
Instead of it being bad source the meme now is Newsweek is making up stories that they are deliberatly lying. It is being done to intimidate any other news source that may want to report on this Administration's Crimes. Just like they did to Rather. He will forever be branded a LIAR now by the right-wing even though what he said was in fact true just poor sourcing.They want to brand Newsweek the same way. It is beginning to show as the MO of the Bush* Cabal. Intimidation and Bullying. It is what they do best.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:07 AM
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8. Iraq Tony & the Truth
NB: THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A TRANSCRIPTION UNIT RECORDING AND NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT: BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF MIS-HEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY, IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS ACCURACY.
........................................................................

PANORAMA

Iraq
Tony & the Truth
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 20:03:05
........................................................................

JOHN WARE: Two years ago tonight the Prime Minister was preparing to broadcast to the nation he was taking the country to war.

TONY BLAIR: Tonight British Service men and women are engaged from air, land and sea. Their mission – to remove Saddam Hussein from power and disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction.

WARE: Mr Blair had said the intelligence services had showed beyond doubt that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

BLAIR: There has been a real concern on our part not to exaggerate the intelligence that we get.

WARE: Yet some of Mr Blair's claims about the intelligence were exaggerated.

BLAIR: The intelligence picture they paint is one accumulated over the last four years. It is extensive, detailed and authoritative.

WARE: We now know that was not quite the picture the intelligence services painted to him.

ROBIN COOK: He knew perfectly well what he was doing. I think there was a lack of candour.

BLAIR: I cannot bring myself to say that I misrepresented the evidence since I do not accept that I did.

WARE: But there are many in the country who think he did.

Rear Admiral NICK WILKINSON
Secretary, D-Notice Committee
1999-2004
The government perhaps allowed the public to be misled as to the degree of certainty about weapons of mass destruction.

WARE: The Prime Minister remains utterly convinced he was right to take military action. This is the story of what Mr Blair didn't tell us before sending British troops into battle.

BLAIR: What I do not in any way accept is that there was any deception of anyone.

WARE: Is he someone whose word you still trust?
snip---
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/iraqtonyandthetruth.txt
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:13 AM
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10. "None currently exists."
CARNE ROSS
First Secretary, UK Mission to the UN
1998-2002
I personally don’t trust him, no. No, not on.. this was such a fundamental.. such an important, such a huge thing to send young men off to war. I'm afraid the government did not tell the whole truth about the alleged threat that Iraq posed, that's why I think it's a tawdry story.

Reconstructions in this film are based on public sources and conversations with some participants

8 March 2002

WARE: On Friday the 8th March 2002 a top secret briefing paper on Iraq was sent to the Prime Minister. It was almost exactly 12 months before he took Britain to war.



BLAIR: Come in.

Morning Tony, your papers.

BLAIR: Thank you.

Mr Blair was told the Bush administration was considering overthrowing Saddam Hussein and invasion was the only way of doing this, but it would require a legal justification. The Prime Minister was advised: "None currently exists." Nevertheless Mr Blair would make a commitment to regime change, this would be a radical departure in British foreign policy which he withheld from most members of his cabinet.

11 March

On Monday morning the American Vice President Dick Cheney arrived at No.10. The Prime Minister had been briefed that Saddam posed no greater threat now than in recent years. But at his press conference Mr Blair made no mention of that crucial qualification. He had decided that he and President Bush were going to row back the tide of proliferation and that Iraq was the place to start.

11 March 2002

What evidence can you lay before the world that Saddam Hussein does have, or shortly will have, the capability to threaten not only his own people but countries in Western Europe and indeed the United States itself?

BLAIR: If I can answer first of all that there is a threat from Saddam Hussein and the weapons of mass destruction that he has acquired is not in doubt at all. Of course Al-Qaeda would use chemical or biological or even nuclear weapons of mass destruction if they could.

14 March

WARE: The next day in Washington Mr Blair's foreign affairs and security adviser met the Bush administration. Sir David Manning sent a note to Mr Blair of his conversation. What Sir David said leaked out last autumn.

Memo
From: Sir David Manning,
Prime Minister's Foreign Affairs Adviser
To: Prime Minister

We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq. It is clear that Bush is grateful for your support and has registered that you are getting flack. I said you would not budge in your support for regime change.

snip---
Send this transcript out as well, please......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/iraqtonyandthetruth.txt
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:22 AM
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13. "I said you would not budge in your support for regime change."
What a vastly arrogant, criminal, mean and deadly attitude.

No person has or ever will justly say or act in such a manner toward any other person or institution without vast legal consensus.

Such consensus did not exist prior to March 19 2003. In fact, just the opposite was the case. Almost all of humanity said "NO."

Dictator, war criminal Bush and his neoconster buddies and lackeys, principal among whom is Blair, defied everyone of good will; everyone of compassion; everyone of morality.

Dictator, war criminal Bush and his neoconster buddies and lackeys, principal among whom is Blair, launched 'shock and awe' and vaporized countless innocent Iraqi's. Bush's 'shock and awe' in Iraq renders Hitler's travesties in Poland and Prague to pale comparison.

Peace.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. You can't just go around and topple governments you don’t like, that's not
legal.......
snip---
6 April 2002

BUSH: Good morning.

BLAIR: You know it has always been our policy that Iraq would be a better place without Saddam Hussein, but how we now proceed in this situation, how we make sure that this threat that is posed by weapons of mass destruction is dealt with, that is a matter that is open. And when the time comes for taking those decisions we will tell people about those decisions.

WARE: This seems to have been too coded for the plain speaking President, he left no doubt about where he was going.

BUSH: Maybe I should be a little less direct and be a little more nuanced and say we support regime change.

WARE: In New York at Britain's UN mission the diplomat responsible for Iraq had no idea No.10 was now committed to helping the Americans overthrow Saddam. In meetings with other diplomats he was still promoting British policy towards Iraq as being the containment of any threat through sanctions and weapons inspections.

CARNE ROSS
First Secretary, UK Mission to the UN
1998-2002
This is what we were instructed to say. The public argument was of course that it was illegal.

*(( You can't just go around and topple governments you don’t like, that's not legal, and that's what we would say in the UN because the UN is a place of law and of rules. ))*

But privately what we would discuss with our allies was that we thought it was a bad idea because we thought it would be destabilising and could potentially lead to chaos in Iraq.

WARE: He must have felt, not to put too fine a point on it, a bit of a prat, I mean talking to the State Department promoting one policy when in fact presumably people in the State Department knew jolly well that the part of the government.. the British Government that really mattered, namely Downing Street, was promoting a completely… was signed up anyway to a totally different policy.

ROSS: Yes, I think that's more or less right.

snip----

Stop this filthy attack, any excuse to bomb Iraq. Tony Blair take care."

WARE: Half the country was still opposed to war. Mr Blair decided now was the time to publish the dossier, the Joint Intelligence Committee was to approve. The demands from Downing Street on the intelligence services to provide more material became urgent.

snip---

WARE: Was Downing Street now doing what the chief of MI6 had **warned that the Bush Administration was doing, trawling around for new intelligence to fit its new policy.**

snip---
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/iraqtonyandthetruth.txt

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. Hiley, that is so very correct. And, these new quotes are stunning!
WARE: Was Downing Street now doing what the chief of MI6 had **warned that the Bush Administration was doing, trawling around for new intelligence to fit its new policy.**

People; wonderful people have died, have suffered, have experienced losses that they should never have encountered because of this criminal arrogance.

Somehow, someway the human species must stop doing this.

Somehow, someway the extraordinary fact that any form of life exists, anywhere in the vastness of the universe, must bring a halt to the rapaciousness of the few to control all. Otherwise, the inevitable outcome of their arrogance and greed will be the destruction of the only known form of life anywhere in that unfathomable universe.

Peace.


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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:16 AM
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12. Just need to correct his MATH abit...
Edited on Fri May-27-05 12:19 AM by dicksteele
QUOTE:
“But I’m not afraid of them and neither are the millions, maybe hundreds of millions, of people around the world who feel the same way as me.”
Actually, the word you wanted there was 'BILLIONS'.

......................................................................
A: Just ONE 'billion' would outnumber the NeoCons and all their supporters by more than TEN to one.
B: The world has 7 or 8 of those "billion" thingies, and they'll have 10 any day now.

George, stop flinging your feces for a minute and DO THE MATH.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. I'm typically inclined to understate, as apparently, Mr Galloway is!
I agree with your math.

Suspect the number is somewhere between 2 and 3 billion at the moment.

Most folk in the "USA" need to understand that bulk of 'public opinion' resides elsewhere, along with the bulk of the planet's population. I hope, sincerely, that that lesson can be learned with minimal violence.

Thank you for the important metric scale adjustment.

Peace.

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:16 AM
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16. As long as the Dictator & PNAC are in power I will post this over &again
Edited on Fri May-27-05 01:21 AM by hiley
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1912

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
Rudolf Hoess,
the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and
torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,
Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html
"IMPEACH HIM"
http://presidentevilonline.com/hiley.html
Depleted Uranium Weapons use has to be stopped immediately, the use of these weapons is a War Crime.

Look at the pictures on this link I provide and know this is happening to American children as well, just not in such great numbers as those of Iraqi children.

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"

Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html



solidarity
hiley
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:29 AM
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19. Yes. Do so, over and over and over again. Repetition is necessary...
... when confronting an equally repetitious effort to suppress truth, to deny access to knowledge, and to lie repeatedly expecting to be able to get away with it.

We will not be silent.

We must spread the archives of facts, far and wide, constantly.

Peace.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 02:34 AM
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20. Is it my imagination, or are the handlers not showing the pResident
as often as they used to?

Something happened during Inaugural Day. The weight of their own security measures, their own desperate attempts to hide from the cameras -- and from the country -- how vastly reviled this criminal is, that weight became too heavy.

I think we'll look back and say, we knew for a long time this farce was unsustainable, but that was the day they knew, too.

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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:02 PM
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28. It's "hard work" providing security for the
MOST HATED MAN ON THE PLANET.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 03:30 AM
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21. Here's another thread on the VandeHei WaPo article - many good comments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1500913
Thread title: “WP,pg1: GOP Tilting Power to Right (BIG story re. control,conservo agenda)”

Someone said that Vandehei was a GOP supporter earlier.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 03:35 AM
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22. Truth is our most powerful weapon!
peace.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:52 AM
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23. I think the key is that they have 2 major weapons
They control the voting machines and the MSM. They believe that that is enough to do almost whatever they want. And at this time they are probably right about that, until we find a way to counter this.

Thank you again UL for another very informative post.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:24 AM
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40. that's why they are ok with doing such theft and crimes and lies in
plain sight.......they know there will be no consequences for them....the media will not call a lie a lie and a theft a theft.....and if some of this gets out, well 'we control the vote counting and reporting'
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:10 AM
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24. zoicks!
You go Galloway!

I love that man!

Galloway for President.. of the USA.. of the whole wide goddam world!

Sue
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:04 PM
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29. They are enemies to their own country.
They are enemies to their own country.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:25 PM
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31. Enemey-in-Chief Bush now predicting his war as "America's golden moment"
And faux news spews the propaganda.

Bush Hails Naval Academy Graduates
Friday, May 27, 2005

ANNAPOLIS, Md. — The U.S. military is on the offensive in the War on Terror (search) to prevent terrorists from reaching America's shores, President Bush said Friday, adding that 20 years from now, historians will look back on the Iraq war as "America's golden moment."

for those with the stomach to check the reference, here's the link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157853,00.html


In 20 years, Mr Bush, you should be 18 or more years into serving a life sentence for your heinous war crimes and for treason against America.

Mr Bush, you and your neoconster buddies are the most lethal, despicable enemy America has ever faced.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - 1653 US soldiers have now perished in Iraq


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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:06 PM
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30. Great synthesis!
:thumbsup:
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 03:16 PM
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32. IMPEACHMENT is on the MARCH! Conyers is going to be the hero..
I can feel it..I was at the media bias forum with Franken and others.. and in case you dont know, Conyers was on the judiciary comitee during Watergate, and he sees the pal=rallel, and knows all we need now is public awareness!

so this is it.. the time to push harder than ever.. the Downing st. memo will NOT die! ...

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:26 PM
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35. .


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:31 PM
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36. A role for MissionNotAccomplished defined:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. "You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1912

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
Rudolf Hoess,
the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and
torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,
Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html
"IMPEACH HIM"
http://presidentevilonline.com/hiley.html
Depleted Uranium Weapons use has to be stopped immediately, the use of these weapons is a War Crime.

Look at the pictures on this link I provide and know this is happening to American children as well, just not in such great numbers as those of Iraqi children.

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html



"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"

Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html



solidarity
hiley

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 11:35 PM
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39. "You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Edited on Mon May-30-05 11:36 PM by understandinglife
Yes, hiley, Gandhi's words are precisely correct.

We must strive to have our fellow citizens realize that at the root of democracy is the simple principle of the individual as the participant.

"Spectator" is a relationship with 'government' that only leads to 'government' becoming 'the boss.' The typical 'boss' is a tyrannical dictator and many of the spectators find themselves either fighting perpetual wars or dying in a variety of gulags and ovens.

We must never be a spectator. We must do all that we can to encourage all our fellow citizens to participate, peacefully and legally, in the workings of the republic.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - how ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
41. "I'm going back because I've seen this before." 85 y/o returns to Germany.
I urge everyone to read this DU thread and to spread the article everywhere:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3756949&mesg_id=3756949

"He said he was too old to see it happen right in front of his eyes
again, and too old to do anything about it, so he was taking his
family back to Europe on Thursday where they would be safe from
George W. Bush and his neocons. He seemed resolute, but troubled,
nonetheless, as if being too young on one end and too old on the
other to fight what he saw happening was wearing on him."


Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
42. Felt: standing up to an executive branch intent on obstructing his agency
I think the message Felt and his family were compelled to deliver at this critical moment is just that, and it deserves to be repeated frequently - "standing up to an executive branch intent on obstructing his agency's pursuit of the truth."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/31/AR2005053100655_2.html


Bush and his neoconster mob are going to face indictment and prosecution; nothing else can begin to restore "America."

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:46 PM
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43. MissionNotAccomplished issues a "Desperate Neoconster" ALERT
Respond by expanding the strategic disruption of the neoconster infrastructure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3761399&mesg_id=3761399

Peace


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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