Repub fundie brother-in-law now claims that dinosaurs never existed.

[blm]

He said they read a book at Bible study that proves it.

Anyone know what "book" this is? Another Intelligent Design "expert" author who also happens to be a Moonie?

[BurtWorm]

1. Doesn't he mean the Bible?

:think:

[ComerPerro]

71. LOL

[Hobarticus]

2. The Great Dumbing-Down rolls on... eom

[Deep13]

3. Does he really think ...

... that Jesus was as stupid as he is?

[Avalux]

4. I t hink you should insist on examining that book -

then share the 'proof' with all of us. I'd really like to know!

Seriously though - I've been told by more than one fundie that dinosaur bones have been planted by the devil to deceive us. They're a test. :crazy:

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. The devil doesn't have the power to create. Therefore, they could

not have been planted by the devil.

If they were created in situ it had to have been done by god.

Why is god trying to trick us?

[Cooley Hurd]

5. Are the fossils being faked?

Christ, these fundies just get dumber and dumber (of course, by the rules of natural selection and "survival of the fittest," fundies will soon be extinct.:thumbsup:)

[bloom]

9. I've heard people

try to make the argument that God was just "testing" people with fossils.

[Cooley Hurd]

15. Then God's a real prick...

:thumbsdown:

[skylarmae]

34. LOLOL n/t

[Democracy White]

28. I have heard of

that before. I had some fundies tell me that dinosaur bones and the concept of evolution comes from the Devil.

Dee

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

43. Um - a Lady Demodrat sig line seems OCB to me

[Democracy White]

44. Umm what do you mean?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

48. I feel like we've met before

Do you cook?

[Cooley Hurd]

65. D'oh!

Perhaps cookies for sale?;)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

104. The snappiest!

[Blue-Jay]

58. Who is this "Lady Democrat" that you're quoting.

I tried a google search, and just got some insane rantings from a message board, and a bunch of other unrelated stuff.

[Democracy White]

78. LOL! Maybe I should clarify...

Lady Democrat is a personal comic book character of mine that is in the developing stages. There is nothing on the Internet about her.
She is supposed to be a heroine that defends democracy and the good for people from corrupt politicians. In a way she is sort of like a political vigilante.
She's kind of a cross between Max from Dark Angel and Catwoman, except she isn't as "catty"

I was going to draw a portrait of her and paste up here but I am not sure how to do that.

The quote came to my mind one night while I was having trouble sleeping. The scene involves her being in a bar full of rednecks where some how politics got up in the air. She "straightens" out one of the rednecks or "bar frogs" (a term she uses for any frequent bar attendee) about an issue and the bar frog asks her "Are you one of those 'commie libruls?' in which the quote is said.

She is still in development and I am not sure if I will continue her story as I am having a hard time figuring out where her powers come from. I kinda like how Catwoman (in the movie) is set up with her powers but I don't want to seem to come of as a copy infringer.

Also she kind of ties in with a story that if I ever get around to putting it on a blog, in which there is an underground, rich, Republican political cult that kidnaps people that they percieve to be liberals and Democrats and enslaves them. I know it may seem strange or even offensive so I apologize for that.

I hope this explains it.

Dee

[Zuni]

62. do you like ginger snaps? tasty snack treats

They are much loved by many of us

[Democracy White]

79. Love 'em

I like drinking ginger ale when I am sick. I don't have much use for most OTC as I am already taking to many chemically based drugs. Like I want to toxify myself more.

As for ginger snaps, I like it with choc. pudding.

Dee

[FreedomAngel82]

82. I like ginger snaps!

I also like the movie too.

[ultraist]

42. LMAO!

"By the rules of natural selection and "survival of the fittest," fundies will soon be extinct."

:rofl:

[XemaSab]

80. the way they breed

I wouldn't hold my breath.

You ever hear of "quiverfull"?

http://www.quiverfull.com/

[ucmike]

83. i'm a big proponent of "to each his own"

but that's kinda weird. i notice they ask for god's "headship" on the homepage. that's a new one.

[iamjoy]

6. So All Those Bones Are Frauds?

You know, like the ones they keep digging up in Montana and the ones at the Smithsonian?

Doesn't he know the dinosaurs lived alongside God's early humans but the terrible lizards were evil and so God destroyed them?

[Cooley Hurd]

12. Atook aloona Lana...

Any 'Caveman' reference I can insert...:D

[MountainLaurel]

29. Satan put those fossils there

To test man's faith.

:eyes:

[LiberalUprising]

77. If God made everything was there room for dinosaurs on the ark?

I=ve dealt with dinosaurs before, but allow me to expand my previous responses as prompted by your question.

There exists a group among the Protestants who are called Fundamentalists. Among these are those who are AScriptural Literalists,@ who insist on the literal inerrancy (free from errors) of the Bible, especially the Kings James translation. They believe and teach that God=s Creation took place in six Atwenty-four hour@ days.

Using, twenty-four hour days, seven days in a week and fifty-two weeks a year, they can calculate the exact time of the Creation, as recorded in the chronology of the Old Testament, which they say is around 4000 BC. If this is true, how do you account for science with it=s discoveries regarding e = mc2, light-years, an expanding universe, carbon dating and the geological/fossil record, to name just a few glitches that line up against the above claim?

Literal Fundamentalists have devised all kinds of theories to defend their six-day (one hundred and forty-four hour) Creation. One such explanation would have us believe that the apparent geological and fossil records are a deception of Satan in an attempt to confuse the Atrue believer.@ Therefore, things appearing to be older than 4000 B.C. just never existed. It=s all a hoax according to them.

http://home.att.net/~stgeorgechs/questions/dinosaurs.htm

[FreedomAngel82]

84. Something I like to remember

about God's six-day creation ordeal is we don't know how long six-days is/was. There was no concept of time and in the spiritual realms from my experiences with time one day can appeal to be a whole lifetime. So when you die before your loved one (like a spouse) it can be like a whole day and then they'll show up. Really strange. Time is something for this dimension for whatever reason. I remember seeing this show on discovery channel, I believe it was, dealing with this and it was very fascinating. It basically told me what I already knew but with scientific proof.

[Hand]

7. Good god...

Just punch him in the head a lot. You'll feel much better and it won't do him any harm. :banghead:

[skylarmae]

35. LOLOLOL n/t

[rkc3]

8. Fossils were created by the devil - when are you gonna catch on?

[meganmonkey]

10. My apologies to the Ramones...

Lobotomy, lobotomy, lobotomy, lobotomy!
DDT did a job on me
Now I am a real sickie
Guess I'll have to break the news
That I got no mind to lose
All the morans are in love with me
I'm a fundie lobotomy

Slugs and snails are after me
DDT keeps me happy
Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em
That I got no cerebellum
Gonna get my Ph.D.
I'm a fundie lobotomy

[hatrack]

53. There's no stoppin' the cretins from hoppin'!

You gotta keep it beatin' for all the hoppin' cretins!
Cretin, cretin!

The Ramones - now THERE was a band!

[amandabeech]

76. I think that I wanna be sedated. n/t

[stevedeshazer]

94. BEAT ON THE BRAT

WITH A BASEBALL BAT

OH YEAH....

[phantom power]

11. They faked the moon-landings, too. The earth is flat!

[FreedomAngel82]

86. Speaking of that

have you ever seen the doc "Astronauts Gone Wild"? It's where this guy tries to prove the moon landings were all staged at a Hollywood set. :eyes:

[phantom power]

87. Sounds like fun. I did see Capricorn One when I was a wee lad.

I was too young to appreciate the conspiracy-theory-ness of it all.

[leftofthedial]

13. fundies are too stupid and mentally ill to be allowed

to participate in the gene pool

[Pirate Smile]

14. Bill Maher's opening segment on his last show was about this.

The Unlearning Institute or something like that.

[Vinca]

16. So the things in museums . . . just giant dogs? Livestock run amok?

Your brother-in-law's new found knowledge is dumb beyond words, but I needed a laugh today.:rofl:

[FreedomAngel82]

17. I personally

know lots of Christian's who use the Bible to help further their beliefs in dinosaurs. In the college class at my church about a year or so ago we studied this book called "Why the Church of Christ?" and it was written by this guy who did a lot of studying on the Bible to try to find the right church to worship at and in the end he choose the Church of Christ and uses Biblical reasons and all that. He talks a bit about that and we talked about how in the beginning of the earth the animals were huge and all that. This guy who used to teach the college class (he's taking a break now) his daughter wants to be one of the researchers who look into all that. According to him she loves the "Land Beforetime." In the first movie they talk about evolution and he fastfowards through that since she's still really young and isn't old enough to make up her own mind about things and all that which is understandable (I'd probably do the same). So I don't get this not believing in dinosaur's nonsense. Whatabout the fossil's?

[ken-in-seattle]

18. Don't give them this link unless ya wanna see their head explode.

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/The_Descent_of_Man_and_Selection_in_Relation_to_Sex#Darwin.27s_background_issues_and_concerns

The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex

The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex by British naturalist Charles Darwin was first published in 1871. It was Darwin's second large book on evolutionary theory, following his 1859 work, The Origin of Species, and is concerned with outlining explicitly the application of Darwin's theory to human evolution, and outlining in detail the theory of sexual selection.

[bertha katzenengel]

19. Oh, bloody hell. Do you know which book?

I love it when biblicans try to prove things. My father tried to "prove" that God hates gays by telling my sister that there is documented evidence of a fire at the site of ancient Sodom & Gomorrah. My sister left him non-plussed: She said, "So what? All that means is that there was a fire there."

[blm]

33. Don't know. That's why I'm asking here if anyone heard about it.

.

[bertha katzenengel]

39. Duh.

:dunce: <-- me

[ET Awful]

20. So how does that mesh with the other fundies that say that dinosaurs

and humans lived at the same time (wasn't there someone the other day that said they were on the Ark too?).

[FreedomAngel82]

25. Apparently the dinosaur's

were destroyed in the flood. :shrug: Some bone's have appeared up in high mountains and all that where they couldn't have lived. :shrug: If God told Noah to take two of every kind and dinosaur's were on the Earth then why didn't Noah save the dinosaur's? Shouldn't they still be a live now? Or did Noah forget that part? :crazy:

[bloom]

55. There must be different lines of "thought"

I was surprised to see the thing about dinosaurs living within the 6000 years (after hearing others say the the fossils were some kind of "test") - I don't know how they explain how they weren't mentioned in the Bible - it seems like it would have been worth mentioning - like what an experience that would have been with tyrannosaurus on the ark and all.

Either way - with carbon dating and everything - it's rather amusing to see them argue their way around science - (like on the answers in genesis site).

[FreedomAngel82]

88. In the Bible

it does talk about animals being really big. I can't remember where but I remember it. Somewhere around the beginning of the book. Duteronomy or something like that. But it does talk about animals being huge and dinosaur-like.

[ken-in-seattle]

21. here is the place where the almost plausible lies come from ..

http://www.discovery.org/

(Note: The creationist "think tank" seems to be in Seattle:
(Discovery Institute — Center for Science and Culture
1511 Third Ave., Suite 808 — Seattle, WA 98101
206-292-0401 phone — 206-682-5320 fax
email: [e-mail])

[meegbear]

22. They're Jesus Horses!

See? It all makes sense when you think about it that way :crazy:

[Avalux]

24. Jesus Horses????? WTF?

I've never heard that one before; please do elaborate! :popcorn:

[meegbear]

31. From SNL Weekend Update ...

FALLON: This week, Georgia's board of education approved the plan that allows teachers to keep using the word 'Evolution' when teaching biology. Though, as a compromise, dinosaurs are now called 'Jesus Horses.'

[Avalux]

37. LOL! Thanks - too funny. n/t

[demo dutch]

52. Funny, but incredibly sad that we're even discussing this!

[FreedomAngel82]

89. LOL!

I love Jimmy Fallon. Hilarious.

[Horse with no Name]

23. Then by that reasoning

fossil fuels are just a figment of his imagination?


Fossil fuels, coal, oil and natural gas, are a non-renewable source of energy. Formed from plants and animals that lived up to 300 million years ago, fossil fuels are found in deposits beneath the earth. The fuels are burned to release the chemical energy that is stored within this resource. Energy is essential to moden society as we know it. Over 85% of our energy demands are met by the combustion of fossil fuels. These two pie charts show exactly how vital fossil fuels are to our society by showing how much of each energy resource is consumed.
http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/fossilfuels.htm

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. No, we will never run out of oil because of god's continual

creation. Conservation is an insult to the power of god.

[Horse with no Name]

46. Ahhhh I thought Glutony was one of the seven deadly sins

along with Wrath, Sloth, Greed, Lust, Pride, and Envy.

:eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think::eyes::think:

[Walt Starr]

56. Um, close. The Creationist stance is there is no such thing as

"fossil fuels" and oil is a renewable naturally occurring part of the Earth's 6000 year old crust.

[XemaSab]

81. Abiotic oil is

the theory that DU'ers can have 400 post flame wars over cockamamie ideas.

No, really, it's the theory that oil had nothing to do with ancient swamps and is just crap left over from the creation of the earth. The idea is that we can drill for oil anywhere and find it, and that global warming and peak oil aren't that pressing.

[SnowGoose]

26. I saw a movie that proves *none* of this stuff exists

we're all in a giant computer program called "the matrix".

Some years ago, I was lucky enough to go and hear Steven J. Gould speak on a couple occasions. When talking about the search for truth, one of the first things he stipulated is that the world around us exists, and that the senses are the only tools we have for determining the state of the world around us.

Yes, you could be simply having a huge dream or hallucination. Yes, we could all be in some kind of giant computer program. Yes, god could have put us here on a world that only *appears* to have fossils and rock formations that are millions of years old.

But if that's the case, then you have no means of: 1 detecting that deception, and 2 figuring out ANYTHING about the world you're in. You've got to start with a belief that reality exists and isn't all part of some giant trick by the gods.

Such a god wouldn't be very easy to trust after you found out that this was all a big trick... maybe you'll wake up in heaven some day, greet your lost loved ones, and then BAM! it's all a trick... you've got another thousand years to go. When could you *ever* believe such a being?

[Geo55]

97. Oh , Noooooo....

"Such a god wouldn't be very easy to trust after you found out that this was all a big trick... "

First Santa Claus, then , the Easter bunny.....

NOW THIS !!!!!!!!......(whimper)

[gratuitous]

27. That God! Such a prankster

Yup, dinosaur bones and Burgess Shale remains are all just there to fool you liberals! God even put fossilized dino shit in fossilized dino digestive tracts -- the Big Guy didn't miss a trick!

[teenagebambam]

41. Jennifer Lopez is famous

If that's not proof that the Lord is a trickster, I don't know what is.

[getmeouttahere]

63. I don't know, J-Lo would still be famous....

if only because of her world-class booty!

[skylarmae]

30. Mormons believe this too!

Just try talking to these people about anything scientific. Uh, no!!!

[IrateCitizen]

32. What does it matter what the "book" is? He's beyond hope...

You said it yourself in this sentence:

He said they read a book at Bible study that proves it.

Let's see -- paleontologists have spent thousands upon thousands of hours studying dinosaur remains, and written thousands of books on the subject. But your BIL chooses to discount all of that because he "read a book at Bible study that proves it."

I wouldn't even try, blm. It sounds like he's off the deep end. Lemme guess -- the next thing he'll tell you is that all those fossilized remains were put here by Satan to trick us and get us to lose our faith.

[China_cat]

38. Kent Hovind perhaps?

'Dr. Dino' is just fossilized enough in the brain cells to propose such idiocy.

[Book Lover]

45. Ooooooo-kay

So what made all the crude oil in the earth? Or is that another thing god just put there?

[Ladyhawk]

67. Actually that stuff isn't dinosaurs.

Most of it was made before the Mesozoic out of very small organisms like plankton.

[Book Lover]

69. Forgive the rhetorical flourish

I suppose this is a prime example of what Sr. Peggy warned me about in high school - hyperbole does lead to inaccuracy :-)

[Bouncy Ball]

47. I just had an EVIL thought.

If we were really BAD, you know what we'd do? (Not "we" as in the Dems officially, but just a general "we" as in progressives and liberals.)

We would totally exploit their stupidity. Hell, the people on "their" side do it all the time.

We'd write books about exactly HOW the devil created all those bones and how museum directors are ACTUALLY AGENTS OF SATAN. And in universities all over the nation, people majoring in things like anthropology and archeology and things like that are just DEVIL WORSHIPPERS and they MUST BE STOPPED, so SEND US MONEY TO STOP THEM!!!

Then we give all the profit from the booklets and their donations to good liberal causes. And, ironically, natural history museums everywhere.

If I knew someone who thought dinosaurs never existed (and I bet I know a few like that), I'd be soooo tempted to screw with their heads, because it's obviously so easy. I'd tell them all kinds of untrue stuff, not anything that would set their radar off, just little stuff I'd completely make up.

Wow, that's evil of me. But it's too easy!

[XemaSab]

85. your post almost calls to mind the idea

that the "left behind" books were written in order to make fundies look stupid, but upon reflection, they ARE that stupid, so scratch that.

[FreedomAngel82]

92. Hey, you never know

That could've been the idea for all we know. I mean, c'mon, who takes it THAT seriously? I don't know any Christian at my church who takes this stuff as seriously as the fundies. They know it's there but don't think twice about it. We've had very very few conversations about it. Right now we're studying Revelation on Sunday morning but nothing about "the end of the world is coming" stuff. He's going through scriptures that are encouraging words through hard times which is nice for now with W in the White House.

[Elwood P Dowd]

49. Adam destroyed the dinosaurs

After he created woman with his rib, he turned his penis into a deadly weapon and destroyed the big bastards. Like Noah, who sailed around the world in a few days collecting millions of animals, Adam had special transportation powers also.

[LondonReign2]

57. So the Clenis is a direct desendent of Adam?

n/t

[Elwood P Dowd]

64. Satan stole the magic penis

while Adam was passed out from eating too much forbidden fruit,and later willed it to Clinton.

[FreedomAngel82]

93. LOL!

So it is all Clinton's fault eh? I knew he'd fit in somewhere!

[TimeChaser]

50. Every five seconds, the collective IQ of the US falls a little further

[insane_cratic_gal]

51. Those Big Skeletons

are really a giant lego set!

[HeeBGBz]

54. That darn God is such a jokester

Putting dem bones in the ground.

Hahahaha, jokes on me. Silly God.

[Karmadillo]

59. Disinformation. Great Dinosaur Mystery proves Evilution is WRONG! Look!!!

You may wish to sidetrack the debate by discussing the dinosaur lies of blm's "brother-in-law". Dinosaurs exist all right, but not like you think. Your puny reason is no match for the Truth, you secular inhumanists. Click on the link below and watch the movie. I dare you. You will never be the same (and you know in your heart that's a good thing).

http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/video.html

Did dinosaurs really become extinct millions of years before the existence of humans?

This ground-breaking educational film reveals historical and archaeological evidence that dinosaur and man once co-existed. This popular motion picture is enjoyed by both young and old. Be sure to see the companion book, The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible, as well as our very large and unique dinosaur Web site.

much, much more...

[XemaSab]

90. Wow!

Ancient Sumerian and Chinese legend and the Apochrypha PROVE that dinosaurs were alive at the same time as humans!

Furthermore, we have artists on staff who can draw creatures from these legendary descriptions that look JUST LIKE DINOSAURS!

It's the latest scientific proof that evolution is wrong!

[KamaAina]

60. Baby Dino says, "Not the mama!" (clank)

as the frying pan connects with repuke fundie BIL's thick skull.

Alas, those "Dinosaurs" existed for far too brief of an epoch. There were lots of sly little lessons built in there...

[FreedomAngel82]

95. LOL, I loved that show!

Whatever happened to it?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

61. Tell him this is why our jobs are being shipped to India, esp jobs

in the sciences..americans are now too stupid to compete technologically thanks to good fundy's like him

[ulysses]

66. not only *did* they exist,

they've made a comeback and put several of their own kind of the Kansas school board.

[Iris]

68. If "they" wrote a book about it, it must be true! n/t

[Zhade]

70. Another example of the idiocy of biblical literalists.

Hey, guys - parables. Myths. Teaching stories. Not historical fact.

[dsc]

72. I can actually top this "sort of"

I have a Fundamentalist friend who believes that evolution is probably right but that God will reward people, like him, who refuse to believe in it and instead believe the Bible. I don't know the book your inlaw speaks of but I would start at a conservative religious bookstore if you are interested in tracking it down.

[libodem]

73. my ex believed the the bones were in the mud

of other planets that God grabbed when he formed the earth in to a ball with his bare hands.

[LiberalUprising]

74. Found this

Question:

I have a fundamentalist friend that says, "Dinosaurs never existed". They say that it disagrees with the Bible. Why do Christians deny scientific facts? Does the Bible deny the existence of dinosaurs?

Answer:

I have to agree with you. I am bothered when I hear Christians say that dinosaurs never existed. That is just pure ignorance - both of the Bible and of science. How can anyone look at the thousands of complete skeletons collected from all over the world and say, "I refuse to see it"?

http://www.exchangedlife.com/QandA/BibleDinos.shtml

And this:

I believe dinosaurs are used more than any other topic by evolutionists to brainwash our children into accepting evolutionary ideas and rejecting the Bible as God's inerrant Word.

But one such explanation DOES exist! If you change the timescale to thousands of years instead of millions, and then think about the event of the Flood of Noah's day and the animals that escaped on the Ark, there is an explanation that fits with what Charig stated above.

Why not call ICR (619-448-0900) or Master Books (1-800-999-3777) or Films for Christ (1-800-332-3361) today and ask for a catalog that lists the beautifully produced materials which tell the TRUTH about dinosaurs from a Christian perspective. Also, Regular Baptist Press (708-843-1600) has produced a beautiful vacation-Bible-school curriculum for 1993 using ICR materials. Perhaps these materials are just what some of your friends need to get them to read the Bible. Maybe you haven’t told your children the correct story about dinosaurs, and maybe you have let them read and see only volutionary explanations about these creatures. Maybe their faith in the Bible has been weakened because you have not dealt with this subject. Don’t forget, Fathers, bring your children up "in the nurture and admonition of the Lord" (Ephesians 6:4).

http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-a/btg-055a.htm

[spanone]

75. Hit him square on the forehead with a baseball bat, please.

[slackmaster]

91. Jack Chick disagrees!

See http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5001/5001_01.asp for the REAL TURTH about DINOSAURS!

[Fire Walk With Me]

96. Have a Flintstones theme/costume party. He'll love it.

[NMMNG]

98. Aye!

Fossils don't prove the existence of dinosaurs. Carbon dating doesn't prove that the Earth is millions/billions of years old.

Yet some fool rolling in the aisle of a church and speaking in 'toungues' is proof of the existence of God! :rofl:

[hughee99]

99. I'm glad someone finally figured it out...

I've been traveling the world for years burying these stupid bones to perpetuate the myth. Now I can relax.

[MN ChimpH8R]

100. This seems a good response to

the creationist fundies. Courtesy of the lovely and talented Mr. Eric Idle:

"All Things Dull and Ugly"

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
AMEN.

[Geo55]

101. Look....PROOF .....actual pic

'nuff said.

[yellowcanine]

102. Fossils were planted by Satan to lead us astray and make us believe in

evolution -causing us to doubt God's Word - which in turn would cause atheism, homosexuality, rebellion among children, obesity among TV evangelists and butt pimples,drug addiction and divorce among rightwing whackjobs.

[PowerToThePeople]

103. Brother-in-law said " I am a blubbering idiot." n/t