CSPAN caller: "I'm sick of white republicans"

[slor]

She went off!

[SHRED]

1. I'm sick of ALL Republicans!

[BiggJawn]

7. Really, Equal Opportunity Sickness.

I kinda pity Gay and Black ReTHUGlicans, though...Chickens votin' for Col. Sanders.....

[ulysses]

9. I'm hard pressed to find pity for them, personally.

Just economic self-interest. They know what they're doing.

[BiggJawn]

45. Well, in that case...

Change that to "scorn". I was thinking, though, about the "Cargo Cult" Rethuglicans, the dirt-poor ones who believe the crap about "just vote for US, and you too shall rise to the top some day!"

Stupid, but still pitiful..

[ulysses]

47. oh, ok

My bad - yeah, I can see some pity for the ones you meant. Some.

[KansDem]

151. "just vote for US, and you too shall rise to the top some day!"

The P.I.T.S. Repubicans ("Pie In The Sky")

"Pie in the sky"--something which is promised or planned but is most unlikely to happen

[BiggJawn]

153. That's them.

The slick-talkers who hand out the "Bush" signs in Mobile Home Communities...

[knowbody0]

118. that was funny-i will use it

[BiggJawn]

154. I believe J. C. Watt's father coined the phrase.

Someone asked him why his son was running as a ReTHUGlican and he replied to effect of "Beats me. I think a Black Man votin' Republican is like a chicken votin' for Col. Sanders..."

I changed "Black" to "Working" and used that on a guy I knew who was going on and on about how the Democrats were screwing hard-working guys like us...He hasn't spoken to me since, and that was 5 years ago...

[knowbody0]

156. thanks

5 years without interference-good for you. im gonna use it tonight! i have col. sanders written on my hand. peace

[BiggJawn]

160. Good luck!

Sounds like you know someone who NEEDS to hear that! :D

[forgethell]

2. Sounds like the woman

is a racist, to me.

Is there a point to this post?

[xultar]

3. I'm sick of the black ones. Does that make me racist?

:shrug:

[efhmc]

5. Well, I think not but what the heck do I know? I am an old, white feminist

who is tired of white repuke men.

[tnlefty]

13. Yep, and I have a super-special negative emotion for WOMEN

republicans!!!

[efhmc]

15. They are the worse kind of sycophants and traitors.

[UnityDem]

18. Evil white men in power and

the women who love them.
Coming to a theater near you - or not.

[efhmc]

26. It would be much too long to hold anyone's attention. What is weird is

being made by society to feel unfeminine because as a woman one does not agree with this concept.

[ultraist]

56. LMAO!

:rofl:

It is interesting to consider, who sides with the white patriarchal dynasty and WHY...it's not just a 'stepford wife' syndrome. Is it because they want power so bad, that they are willing to sell their souls to ride on the coattails of the oppressors?

[UnityDem]

176. Yes, battered in joyous

submission. Thank you, sir, may I have another.

[mopaul]

6. the black republicans make me sick too

chickens for colonel sanders

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[efhmc]

27. There are so many examples of the white repuke's attitude toward

minorities. They are the supreme racists and deserve to be so labeled. Do you think they would care one fig about the original statement if the work repuke were changed to Democrat?

[forgethell]

32. Only racists

would find hispanic or black republicans NOT to be as offensive or threatening as whites. Whites, like everybody else, vote their own interests, as they perceive them to be. Just because their perceived interests do not mesh with those of other ethnic groups does not make them racist.

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[forgethell]

44. Educate me n/t

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[Bouncy Ball]

64. LMAO!

:spray:

[noiretextatique]

98. psst...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: mind if i borrow that line? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[noiretextatique]

139. lmao

how about i give you one of my lines:
"the chief privilege of privilege is ignorance"

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[ultraist]

58. Who REALLY holds the power?

Whites or people of color? WHO are the powerful oppressors? HOW do they maintain their power, by promoting equality or by perpetuating racism and discrimination?

[forgethell]

68. Whites

are numerically dominant. Of course they hold the power. In government. Yet power can be an immediate thing, too. Ask any white woman who's ever been raped by a black man. Hell, ask any woman who's been raped. As I understand it, rape is about power, not sex. although I don't see why it has to be one, or the other. Why can't it be both? After all, the two have been entwined throughout history.

Ask anyone who has ever been given the runaround by some petty civil servant, many of whom are black. Some aren't, of course. so what does this teach us? Power can be exercised by blacks, as well as whites, in America. Some of both races, plus any other race, will misuse it. Some of this may occur because of hatred of the other race. In that case it is racism, even if it is a black who does it. I think, however, that it most cases it is a situation of generalized ass-holery.

[ultraist]

73. That's your example?!?!

"Ask any white woman who has been raped by a Black man." I am so fucking SICK of this myth, right out of Birth of a Nation.

My son, who is Black, is NOT A RAPIST. STOP SPREADING THIS EVIL RACIST MYTH!

And your other example, "anyone who has been run around by some petty civil servant, many of whom are black." NICE use of the fallacious "reverse racism" justification.

Get a fucking clue. WHITES ARE THE POWER HOLDERS AND OPPRESSORS! People of color are NOT OPPRESSING women, the poor, and people of color.

Do you realize how fucking stupid it sounds to say, "we better watch out for those people of color, they are oppressing us. "

[forgethell]

81. So you

are saying that because your son is not a rapist, no black man can possibly be? That's laughable. Black men are, on average, no better than any other kind of men. "People of color" manage to oppress each other all the time. And some of them even manage to oppress some white people. I could tell you about a black boss I had once, but there aren't enough electrons. I think you missed my point about power.

Some whites may be oppressors, but most of them are not, and to lump all of them together is racist. And to clear all "people of color" of bigotry & racism is stupid.

On edit: So no black man has ever oppresed a black woman? Is that what you're saying when you say poeple of color don't oppress women, the poor, or people of color. what about the gangs in some poor neighborhoods? Are they not oppressing the poor there? Why did the Rodney King riots include assaults on Asian owned properties? Are Asians not people of color? Is there any logic in your argument?

[ultraist]

85. No, I'm saying that your use of a destructive racist myth

is revealing. Are you not aware of that myth? For real? "Lock up your white daughters" ring a bell?

Where did I say that a Black man couldn't be a rapist? I didn't!

It's common knowledge that Democrats have referred to the GOP as the "Grand ole party of white men" and that 90+% of Blacks vote Democrat.

Second point: I didn't say all whites are oppressors but I did say that the oppressors in this country are white.

In both cases, you drew false extensions from my statements.

[forgethell]

88. Where did

I say that you son was a rapist?

Don't you consider rape to be a oppression of women?

Can only white folks be oppressors? A 'yes' answer is racist in itself, I would think.

I think I followed your logic precisely, and that you don't want to face up to where it goes.

[ultraist]

91. You are making things up again

I said you are using a RACIST MYTH "Black men are rapists."

"you don't want to face up where it goes." Talk about projecting.

How many people have told you your statements are racist? Hmmm? I bet quite a few here at DU have nailed you on it, haven't they? Who is in denial?

So, people of color are the oppressors in this country? Is that your claim?

[forgethell]

97. How many people

have told me my statements are racist? so far, only you. But I DID NOT USE a "Racist myth" that "black men are rapists". What I was asking, which you seem to be incaable of understanding, is this: " If a man, black or otherwise, rapes a woman, white or othewise, isn't he oppressing her?" What is racist about that?

Frankly, I think you are the one projecting. I also think you are trying to make me wilt by calling me a racist. Perhaps I am mistaken about that?

[noiretextatique]

100. if all the blacks/latinos/asians left the republican party tomorrow

it would put a dent in their fascist machine. white republicans have all the lion's share of power in that party. it's not "racist" to state that fact, as you said it was in your first post.

[forgethell]

105. And if all the whites

left the Democratic Party, it would cease to exist as a major player in US politics. The Greens would probably be stronger.

[noiretextatique]

110. wtf

:wtf: does that have to do with the subject at hand? nothing.

[forgethell]

111. As much as

your post, to which I was responding, did. These discussions do seem to range widely.

[noiretextatique]

113. power is the point...but you are determined to ignore

that to continue your colorblind fantasy. black republicans have no power in the republican party, and you know it.

[ultraist]

114. "Ask any white woman who has been raped by a Black man"

THAT was your example. INTERESTING.

[noiretextatique]

122. interesting, indeed

how in a discussion about racism, this person brings up rape. so...when a black man rapes a white woman, it's racially-motivated...is that what is being said.? is the same true in reverse, when a white man rapes a black woman? :shrug:

[ultraist]

127. More "Birth of a Nation" BS. "The savage Black man rapist" myth

http://www.filmsite.org/birt.html

The subject matter of the film caused immediate criticism by the newly-created National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) for its racist and "vicious" portrayal of blacks, its proclamation of miscegenation, its pro-Klan stance, and its endorsement of slavery.

In its explicitly caricaturist presentation of the KKK as heroes and Southern blacks as villains and violent rapists, it appealed to white Americans who subscribed to the mythic, romantic view (similar to Sir Walter Scott historical romances) of the Old Plantation South

[forgethell]

128. Do you have

a reading comprehension problem? I ask because, having reviewed what i have written, I do not see how I could be said to have written that. It seems to me that you are bringing your own racial attitudes and preconceptions to this discussion.

However, yes, blacks can be racists.

[noiretextatique]

131. everybody CAN BE racist...

but which group in america IS racist in a way that affects civil rights, the legal system, education, employment, housing, and so on? which political party uses race to attract white voters, the majority in this country, with black boogeynmen like, willie horton, welfare queens, quotas, etc? and which group continues to be attracted to those messages, put forth by one party, in particular? sure...everybody CAN be racist :eyes:

[forgethell]

136. That's a pretty long,

and somewhat self-inconsistent definition of racism.

I give up. You can't get through to some people

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[noiretextatique]

138. clue: institutional racism

is different from individual racism. you keep talking about individual racism, while everyone else is talking about institutional racism.

[forgethell]

141. We have drifted

from the subject.

My original statement was that the woman sounded like a racist to me, or words to that effect. I stand by that, and am now withdrawing from this discussion. We will continue to go nowhere with it.

[noiretextatique]

147. a comment on the current political reality

nothing more.

[ultraist]

142. You didn't write this in post 68?

"Ask any white woman who's ever been raped by a black man."

Why did you pick THAT example? Mere coincidence that "black men are savage rapists" is a myth?

If your posts weren't riddled with typical white supremacist justifications, such as, whites who speak out against racism are "self hating" I MIGHT give you the benefit of the doubt.

Do YOU have a problem? Rather than asking me if I have one, perhaps you should be asking yourself.

[Zuni]

171. rape is uaually motivated by sexual, rather than racial hatred

it is usually hatred or resentment of women that causes violent rape. Very

[ultraist]

178. That's very true

Rape is an act of violence but the myth about Black men being rapists also has undercurrents of the "prowness" of non Europeans that we often see projected onto Blacks. In the article below, Cornel West ties this to the "psychosexual racist logic." Many negative stereotypes of Blacks stem from this logic.

snip

http://eserver.org/race/toward-a-theory-of-racism.html

The psychosexual racist logic arises from the phallic obsessions, Oedipal projections, and anal-sadistic orientations in European cultures which endow non-European (especially African) men and women with sexual prowess; view nonEuropeans as either cruel revengeful fathers, frivolous carefree children, or passive long-suffering mothers; and identify non-Europeans (especially black people) with dirt, odious smell, and feces. In short, non-Europeans are associated with acts of bodily defecation, violation, and subordination. Within this logic, non-Europeans are walking abstractions, inanimate objects, or invisible creatures. Within all three white supremacist logics--which operate simultaneously and affect the perceptions of both Europeans and non-- Europeans--black, brown, yellow, and red peoples personify Otherness and embody alien Difference.

The aim of this first step is to show how these white supremacist logics are embedded in philosophies of identity that suppress difference, diversity and heterogeneity. Since such discourses impede the realization of the democratic socialist ideals of genuine individuality and radical democracy, they must be criticized and opposed. But critique and opposition should be based on an understanding of the development and internal workings of these discourses--how they dominate the intellectual life of the modern West and thereby limit the chances for less racist, less ethnocentric discourses to flourish.

[Terran]

146. Uh..."Your statements are racist."

There, happy?

You don't get it, do you? You had the idea of bringing up an example of a person of color oppressing a white person with their power, and the image of a Black man raping a white woman was apparently the first thing that came to mind? I'm sorry, but it struck me as racist too.

[progmom]

174. ok, i will tell you too

i found your statement racist and offensive.

[jeffrey_X]

143. WTF does race have to do with rape???

You are on shaky ground here.

[ultraist]

144. Oh, it's mere coincidence he used THAT example

Ya, sure! :eyes:

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[Swamp Rat]

121. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

:rofl:

That's a GREAT phrase! :D

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[comsymp]

63. Well, I understood all the words

and agree 100%.

[Bouncy Ball]

66. Of course you did.

[comsymp]

67. Sure - how hard is it not to grok "their own interests"?

Can't imagine how anybody could not see that, frankly.

Even harder to imagine somebody believing that it isn't racism to see a group of people behaving abominably and only singling out one racial group for criticism, while giving the others a pass.

[noiretextatique]

188. no one is giving others a pass

not to jump in the middle again, but i think "i am sick of white republicans" is a comment on a verifiable condition, namely that any number of odious individuals in the republican party are constantly on the airwaves...from ann coulter to pat robertson...and the majority of them are white. they have a visibility (and an odiousness) that alan keyes and armstrong williams don't have because they aren't on the front line of the neocon assualt on our senses. this is also a comment on the homogenity of our poltical class, again, especially those who happen to be republican.

[Swamp Rat]

189. Yes, It "is a comment on a verifiable condition,"

that can be taken out of context quite easily and used to co-opt the other position.

Folks who choose to employ even the slightest bit of empathy for the OP's subject can see this clearly.

On a side note, some questions not directly related to this thread: who are we killing in the Middle East? Where are we refusing to stop genocide? Who has the reins of power and unrestricted authority on this planet? Who writes, publishes and disseminates most of the history books? Who controls they media? ... Fred and Lamont Sanford?

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[comsymp]

65. Whites are the problem?

Blacks are easy?

It is the racist core of the GOP that whites find comforting and attractive.

So you're saying that all white Republicans are racist? Or that the only appeal the Republican Party can have for white Americans, is racism?


Whites are the problem, and only racists would find hispanic asian or black Republicans more offensive or threatening.

How 'bout, only racists would find (insert ANY racial group, like, oh say, white) Republicans more offensive and threatening.

And I challenge you to go "shame and turn a black Republican." Go ahead, I dare you.

This one-dimensional view of the Republican party is extremely dangerous.

[ultraist]

75. Point being...

People of color are NOT THE OPPRESSORS!

[comsymp]

101. Does Clarence Thomas know this?

Or Alan Keyes?
Or Armstrong Williams?
Or Charles Taylor?
Or Omar al-Bashir?

Have the people of Myanmar gotten the memo?


... point is,

Gross generalizations are bad, mm-kay?

[noiretextatique]

102. if thomas had a thought independent of scalia's

his sorry ass would be impeached, and given a real high-tech lynching. alan keyes...and the rest...laughable. the same goes for them.

[Swamp Rat]

103. Nail. Meet. Head.

[comsymp]

125. Wow, never heard anyone call Taylor and al-Bashir laughable before...

Same for Idi Amin and the Duvaliers?

[ultraist]

117. A very small handful of Black Republicans compared to whites

Reminds me of the argument, "gee, Blacks are not oppressed, look at Oprah!"

[comsymp]

130. Doesn't matter - still disproves your sweeping assertion that "people

of color are NOT the oppressors."

Again, generalizations = bad.

/all i'm sayin'
//white
///not "the problem"

[ultraist]

140. Are people of color the oppressors?

Are you really saying that whites are not the oppressors?

Is there massive wide scale discrimination against whites in this country?

My statement is not merely a generalization, it's a statement based on statistical FACT.

Consider:
"Smoking causes lung cancer." Is this a "generalization=bad" or a statement based on FACT? It's not saying that ALL PEOPLE who smoke get cancer but that there is a SIGNIFICANT LINK between smoking and lung cancer.

[comsymp]

155. How on EARTH did you get that from my comments!?!

Serious logical flaw, there.

And yes, I'm really saying that not all whites oppress people of color or anybody else, and that I dare you to prove otherwise... and that oppression can, and does, go both ways - obviously on a smaller scale. Justification? Absolutely not.

Is there massive, wide scale discrimination... not that I've seen- why do you ask? Is "massive wide scale" the only form of discrimination you'll accept? Because there is CERTAINLY racial discrimination practiced against whites, as there is against all groups, at one level or another. And not all discrimination is rooted in evil. (Think Alpha Kappa Alpha, or what is now called the College Fund) But discrimination and oppression are not the same thing.

And your statement may have been based on statistical FACT but it didn't accurately reflect that statistical fact. If you can provide statistical facts that Group X (and all the members thereof) oppress Group Y, and that all members of Group Y are oppressed by Group X, then we can talk.

If the unqualified statement is "smoking causes lung cancer," emphasis on "causes", then all smokers would develop lung cancer. It could also be understood to mean that ONLY smoking causes... which we presumably agree is obviously not true. If the statement is that smoking is a contributing factor to, or increases the risk of, etc., then that's another story.

[ultraist]

175. Where did I say "all whites?" I didn't

Oh, I can find plenty of statistical facts that prove Blacks are oppressed. One need only consider that the percentage of Blacks in poverty is THREE TIMES as high as the percentage of whites in poverty. Is it other Blacks that are doing the oppressing? Are Blacks the major power holders in our society?

Are you denying that a white supremacist attitude prevails in our culture and affects our policies and institutions?

You keep bringing up discrimination against whites. Discrimination against whites does not rise to the level of a social ill.

Furthermore, your attempts to confound a relatively insignificant amount of discrimination against whites with institutionalized discrimination against people of color, is flawed.

excerpts

http://eserver.org/race/toward-a-theory-of-racism.html

TOWARD A SOCIALIST THEORY OF RACISM
by Cornel West

A common feature of the four Marxist conceptions examined earlier is that their analyses remain on the macrostructural level. They focus on the role and function of racism within and between significant institutions such as the workplace and government. Any adequate conception of racism indeed must include such a macrostructural analysis, one that highlights the changing yet persistent forms of class exploitation and political repression of peoples of color. But a fully adequate analysis of racism also requires an investigation into the genealogy and ideology of racism and a detailed microinstitutional analysis. Such an analysis would encompass the following:

1. A genealogical inquiry into the ideology of racism, focusing on the kinds of metaphors and concepts employed by dominant European (or white) supremacists in various epochs in the West and on ways in which resistance has occurred.

2. A microinstitutional or localized analysis of the mechanisms that sustain white supremacist discourse in the everyday life of non-Europeans (including the ideological production of certain kinds of selves, the means by which alien and degrading normative cultural styles, aesthetic ideals, psychosexual identities, and group perceptions are constituted) and ways in which resistance occurs.

3. A macrostructural approach that emphasizes the class exploitation and political repression of non-European peoples and ways in which resistance is undertaken. The first line of inquiry aims to examine modes of European domination of non-European peoples; the second probes forms of European subjugation of non-European peoples; and the third focuses on types of European exploitation and repression of non-European peoples.

[comsymp]

179. You're still talking in absolutes

F'rinstance, poverty - 3x higher percentage of blacks than whites. Are the whites in poverty being oppressed also, or not? And what does that work out to in whole numbers? What about the blacks who aren't in poverty, or who are successful?

By asking those questions, am I attempting to deny that oppression against minorities occurs? Of course not. Obviously it does, has, and probably will for a long time to come. I'm trying to say that there are more facets to it than just that one. The legacy issue, for example.

In response to your question, you said above that "whites are the oppressors." Although that statement implies "all whites", I would have objected less to a different phrasing, hence a different meaning, like "race-based oppression is much more likely to be committed by whites", or "whites in America have a long history of racial oppression." Hell, who could argue with that? But to say that "whites are the oppressors" tars us all with the same brush. Besides being a gross generalization, frankly, it comes awfully close to being a racist comment. Fact is, somewhere, some time, a white person has stood up on behalf of a person of color. And somewhere, some time, a person of color oppresses someone else or a group of someones. It happens. And, of course, the part about "the oppressors" is a little simplistic, too. You presented your argument as if there is ONE form of oppression, even one form of race-based oppression, perpetrated by ONE group of people. And that just ain't true.

As far as "...prevailing in our culture", my initial reaction is to say "yes", except that I'm not quite sure what "our culture" consists of. Even allowing a mutually agreeable idea of "our culture", a white supremacist attitude does not automatically translate to oppression. A contributing factor, undoubtedly. And there are clear examples of this attitude all over the place. But the terms are not interchangeable.

I don't "keep bringing up" discrimination against whites, nor do I attempt to "to confound a relatively insignificant amount of discrimination against whites with institutionalized discrimination against people of color". I mentioned two examples of anti-white discrimination (in the same parenthetical phrase) as a clear counter to your statement that "People of color are NOT THE OPPRESSORS!" My primary objection is to sweeping, unqualified assertions. As far as institutionalized discrimination, it depends on the institution to a degree. I would argue that, for the most part, the primary color influencing Governmental (Federal- and often/usually State-level) discrimination is green... or the lack thereof. Same, for the most part, for Big Business.

If the issue is whether the vast majority of power players in the US are white, wealthy males - absolutely. If the question is whether there continues to be a historic, albeit diminished (and -ing, I hope) attitude of racial superiority among many white Americans - no question. But to portray The White Man as standing with his foot on the necks of People Of Color is false and, frankly, racist.

FWIW, I didn't read Dr. West's entire essay yet - just your snips - but it's intriguing and sounds pretty accurate. I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing- thanks for the link.

Again, my primary objections in this thread are to unqualified sweeping generalizations.

And BTW, regarding the OP- "I'm sick of <insert color here> Republicans, Democrats, or Shriners" is. a. racist. comment.

[ultraist]

181. I'm talking about systemic racism

No, I'm not talking in absolutes. I'm talking about overall trends and cultural attitudes and values. MACRO issues.

I'm not in the mood to nitpick "you said whites and that implies all" type comments but will just leave it with two snips from the Cornel West article I posted.

The aim of this first step is to show how these white supremacist logics are embedded in philosophies of identity that suppress difference, diversity and heterogeneity. Since such discourses impede the realization of the democratic socialist ideals of genuine individuality and radical democracy, they must be criticized and opposed. But critique and opposition should be based on an understanding of the development and internal workings of these discourses--how they dominate the intellectual life of the modern West and thereby limit the chances for less racist, less ethnocentric discourses to flourish.

As the legal barriers of segregation have been torn down, the underclass of black and brown working and poor people at the margins of society has grown. For the expanding middle class of people of color, political disenfranchisement and job discrimination have been considerably reduced. But, simultaneously, a more insidious form of class and racial stratification intensified--educational inequality. In an increasingly technological society, rural and inner city schools for people of color and many working class and poor whites serve to reproduce the present racial and class stratified structure of society. Children of the poor, who are disproportionately people of color, are tracked into an impoverished educational system and then face unequal opportunities when they enter the labor force (if steady, meaningful employment is even a possibility).

[Swamp Rat]

183. "... educational inequality."

DAMN STRAIGHT!!! A family member close to me wrote a dissertation about this, analyzing the trends of new graduates from poor black universities, etc. ;)

Dr. West ROCKS! and so do you! :yourock:

[ultraist]

193. Thanks!

I consider that a high compliment coming from you.

*Raising my glass to SwampRat* :toast:

Agreed about Dr. West, he's brilliant.

[noiretextatique]

129. are either charles taylor of omar al-bashir republicans?

um...NO. keyes and williams have ZERO credibility, so that makes them laughable, imho.

[comsymp]

133. Ah, so when you replied

"alan keyes...and the rest...laughable. the same goes for them" you meant all the rest of the black republicans. Not all the rest of the examples I gave to counter the previous poster's flawed argument.

My misunderstanding.

Out of curiosity, do you figure Colin or Condi (f'rinstance) have credibility within the R party?

[noiretextatique]

134. what do you think? think trent lott "respects" them?

a man who wishes segregation never ended? i doubt the CCC and the KKK portion of the republican party have much use for them. as for the less racist republicans, i imagine some people think they have credibility, and others probably don't. the reverance for colin powell, among democrats, was always puzzling to me, but he fell from grace soon enough.
i didn't read the post you replied to, so i was just referring to americans.

[comsymp]

157. Well, I don't think Trent Lott IS the Republican Party... in fact,

I'm not so sure that he even represents a significant part of the R party. His removal as Senate Majority Leader suggests that he doesn't have *that* much broad-based (grassroots - talking about R's in general) clout or respect, himself.

I am concerned, however, by your reference to "the less racist republicans"- that doesn't imply, does it, that ALL Republicans are to some degree, racist? I know, respect and, in some cases, love a few Republicans who are *by any measure* completely offended by any indication of racism... but maybe I've just been lucky to know these people (although their existence disputes the sweeping generalization again)

Agreed re: many Dems' early reverence - never got that myself, either. Of course, some Dems also had a woody for McCain, which I found appalling too, so go figure~

[noiretextatique]

161. of course all republicans aren't racist

but i do believe that racism is a republican party family value, and an american value, so to the extent that people support the party, they also support its values. my late uncle, a republican, was also president of his local NAACP chapter, and worked to desegregate San Francisco. he was repulsed by what the republican party had become before he died...this was during the clintion witchunt.
the dynamic is little different than gays who support the party, or women who support the party, or poor people who support the party, given its anti-gay, anti-woman, pro-corporate agenda. that's why black neocons have little credibility among african-americans...its the agenda the party has to espouse to maintain its big tent.
i would love to see the more reasonable republicans step up and bitchslap the hardliners, like mccain and others did with the compromise. or better yet, just defect completely, as more and more seem to be doing.

[comsymp]

163. We're in complete agreement

Although (surprise!) I'd add that racism may be, to a large extent, a human value, and not limit it to smaller groups. Or, if not a value, per se, a part of human nature. Kinda like tribalism. Or sexism. It seems to be a common view everywhere that Different = Less Than, or at least Dangerous. Not a fully fleshed out thought, just based on observations over the years that there's a generic chauvinism inherent in our natures.

And before anybody accuses me of attempting to excuse it(not you), OF COURSE that's no excuse for it. There are many aspects of (what I believe to be) human nature which I find pretty messed up. And civilization and our better angels are all about moving beyond those things.

[noiretextatique]

165. i don't disagree with that, however

in relation to this discussion, it's (mostly) irrelevant. i don't think you are making an excuse, btw...you are too intelligent to do that. i do think we can benefit by discusssing racism from a more global perspective, however, that still doesn't change the fact that race continues to play a role in america's poltical arena, when we very likely still could not expect a black presidential candidate to win an election in this country...except a neocon. of course. funny how that works.

[comsymp]

167. Ain't that the truth

And now for something almost totally OT

Which do you see happening first, a black or female Prez... or a person of another minority background (lat / asian)? I honestly don't know, but generally believe someone like Richardson would be viewed/presented as "close enough to a white guy" to get the ball rolling. Between black and female, though... I'm honestly not sure which option the country is more ready for... unless, of course, the R's run Condi~ :shrug:

[noiretextatique]

169. i think it will be a latino

a male...like richardson, who is "close enough," as you put it. curiously, the neocons are more ideologically driven, so i think they could run a fascist female of color :D they could pull the race and gender cards if necessary, and they just might get enough of the bonehead vote (i will vote for her because she's a woman) to pull it off. i expect them to try that in 2008, but in the VP slot.

[forgethell]

83. Exactly right, and

this view of the Republican party is one reason that we keep getting our asses whipped, electorally.

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[comsymp]

158. You see me clearly in 3D... Are you attempting to call me out?

So you're saying that you converted (turned) him and he's never again going to vote R?

And yes, if you believe that all white Republicans are motivated by race, and that the only appeal the R's have for whites is based on race (which you didn't deny when I asked earlier, btw) I would say that your view of them may not even measure up to one dimensional.

I don't see discussing racism or any other social ill as a waste of time, as long as the parties involved bring facts to the table as opposed to flames, and they can support their arguments.

So, what about that 3D comment. Please elaborate. Please.

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[comsymp]

168. Why stop now? And no, elaborate on your pseudo-cryptic comment

about seeing me in 3D. Sorry, thought I had made that clear enough. Maybe the comprehension issues aren't mine?

But of course, if you want to talk about my "comprehension issues", go for it.

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

162. Not all Republicans are racist, but the majority of racists are Republican

[tamtam]

80. I beg to differ

I used to be a member of a site dedicated to black women. All hell broke loose during the election. If you think that for one moment that some minorities vote Republican because of economics then read on.

I have never, ever seen such vile mean words being spewed about gays before in my life. It was all about religion and WWJD for these women. It was disgusting and bigoted all this coming from a group of black women. Black women, probably one of the most oppressed groups in American history, it was pretty sick. They were saying stuff like. "vote for the Christian", what is so moral about abortion and gay rights", "I don't have to worry about the draft because my children are not old enough", "black people will vote Democrat because they are followers" and after the election they said things like "Jesus has spoken". It got pretty damn sick. Some of them even denied what went down in Florida with blacks and voting. One person even said "if a person really wanted to vote they could". Needless to say I had to stop going to that site. I went back a couple of months ago and the owner offended some people by adding a Christian forum to her board. She told the others that didn't believe in god or were of a different religion to not go into that forum and question the word of god. She wasn't so nice about it. This all happened after the election. And I have to tell you I witnessed the most bigoted mean spirited actions from these women it was crazy. All in the name of god.

From what I see from most blacks that vote Republican they say they do it in the name of god. These people are brainwashed and it is not very easy to switch some of them over.

[ultraist]

89. Sounds like an exception to the rule

Over 90% of Blacks voted Democratic.

Of the 10% that voted Republican, some DID vote based on economic reasons.

So, reasonably, maybe half of the 10% voted based on social issues (Gay rights,abortion, etc). Which would mean approximately 5% of Blacks voted for Republicans based on Gay marriage and abortion while 90% voted Democratic.

Historically, Blacks have not voted against their own economic interests and against civil rights. That's why the Democratic party has always won a huge majority of the Black vote.

[tamtam]

159. Yes I see your point

and I agree with you. It just seems that this last election bleed religion dry. Not to mention, the money that Bush gave to the black churches. I honestly think the faith based imitative gave Bush a boost in the black, church community.

I've also heard crazy stories of black preachers preaching hate speech on the pulpit (about gays). I guess what I'm saying is black people can be just as bigoted as any other race. I think quite a few black people voted based on their distaste for gay people. I guess we could say that people of all races (that voted for Bush) voted against their own best interest.

[noiretextatique]

186. bush got no significant increase in the black vote in 2004

in spite of all the propaganda to the contrary...the black commentator did a great article about this nonsense the neocons were spreading about their big increase in the black vote...total fantasy. bush screwed many of the ministers who signed on to his "faith-based" campaign, and they didn't get a dime. regardless of what happened on that board you frequented, this bears repeating: bush got no increase in blacks votes in 2004. check CNN for the numbers.

[ultraist]

194. Yep! That was all GOP lies & propoganda

http://www.blackcommentator.com/112/112_cover_election.html

excerpts:

The worst possible outcome of Tuesday’s election would have been that George Bush won with the help of a divided Black electorate. Instead, African Americans reaffirmed the vitality of the Black Political Consensus – our eyes firmly fixed on the prize: peace, jobs and justice. Despite faith-based blandishments to the sell-out branch of the Black clergy, massive deployment of the GOP’s gay wedge issue and, most hurtfully, the Kerry team’s initial determination to render African Americans invisible and mute in the campaign, Blacks stood like a rock in defense of their own interests. Undeterred by disinformation that insanely (or maybe just inanely) predicted a doubling of Black support for Bush, African Americans placed their numbers and sheer will in the path of the Bush II juggernaut. It rolled over us, by fair means and foul, but our Consensus – the impermeable historical glue that makes African Americans unique in the Diaspora – remained intact. An “inside” job

“We shall not be moved,” went the civil rights song. Four years of mercenary Black faces in high Republican places – Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Rod Paige – have failed to move us from our righteous Consensus for social justice and international peace, or to dim our highly evolved vision of Black America’s singular mission. These are the cards we have been dealt by history. However, African Americans are especially vulnerable to demoralization from within.

When Black voters finally got to speak for themselves on November 2, Bush got 10 or 11 percent of the Black vote, respectively, according to Washington Post and CNN exit polls. The ultra-high profile presence of Condoleezza and Colin, the millions lavished on corrupt Rev. Greedygut preachers, the endless propaganda about a growing “new class” of Black conservatives, the disinformation from the New York Times and, yes, from the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies – all this and more over four years had moved the Black electorate a mere one percent or (maybe) two into the Republican ranks.

[puddycat]

12. on a related note: I'm sick of women fighting against women's rights.

100 years of women (and many men) fighting and dying for these women, just so they can be unappreciative and ungrateful about all the hard work that went on before? Perhaps they need educating--and they will get that education if women's rights are turned back a hundred years.

[efhmc]

19. Amen to that. That is why I considered them to be the worse type of

traitors. These repuke women would not even be able to vote, much less serve in public office, if it were not for the millions of progressive men and women who sacrificed and worked diligently for rights for women but these repuke women see white men in power and attach themselves to them for personal gain. They do this while destroying other women's rights.

[forgethell]

16. If that's the

only ones you are sick of, yes, I think it does. And why point them out specifically unless they were the only specific ones you were sick of??

[ultraist]

62. Because whites are POWER HOLDERS and Power brokers!

Get real, how much power do Republicans of color have?

First, there are very few of them, which immediately places them in a minority position. Secondly, there is a 200 year old white patriarchial institution in place that is infested with systemic racism.

[forgethell]

86. Yet power

has nothing whatever to do with racism. Blacks in the Republican party have power equal to their position, just like in the Democratic Party. I don't think, for example, love her or loathe her, that Condi Rice is powerless. Or Clarence Thomas, either. I don't agree with either, but they are genuine black people.

[ultraist]

92. Power has nothing to do with racism?

Are you for real?

[forgethell]

106. Racism is abaout

hatred, not power. <pinch> Yes, I seem to be for real. :rofl:

[ultraist]

123. Racism has a lot to do with power

Certainly, hate is involved with racism but is mainly about POWER and maintaining POWER over another group. In the US, the POWER HOLDERS, whites, have historically OPPRESSED people of color.

DOMINATION over an oppressed group---how can that NOT involve power?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GWYA,GWYA:2005-08,GWYA:en&oi=defmore&q=define:Racism

Racism on the Web:

or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races.
www.artpolitic.org/infopedia/ra/Racism.html

Any attitude, action or institutional structure which systematically treats an individual or group of individuals differently because of their race. The most common form of racism in North America is in the form discrimination against African-Americans. However, it occasionally is manifested as preferential treatment for blacks. A secondary meaning is the belief that one race -- normally caucasian -- is inherently superior to other races. See also sexism, religism, and homophobia.
www.religioustolerance.org/gl_r.htm

(Audre Lorde): The inherent belief in the superiority of one race over all others and thereby the right to dominance.
www.uihome.uidaho.edu/default.aspx

The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination.
www.bl.uk/services/learning/curriculum/voices/refglos.html

A set of incorrect assumptions, opinions and acts resulting from the belief that one race is inherently/genetically superior to another. It occurs when people are not treated fairly because of their cultural or ethnic differences. Racism may be systemic (part of institutions, organizations, and programs) or part of the attitudes and behaviour of individuals.
www.japanesecanadianhistory.net/glossary.cfm

Unjust discrimination on the basis of a person's race; a violation of human dignity, and a sin against justice.
www.thesacredheart.com/dictnary.htm

personal (attitudes/beliefs/behaviors), institutional (policies, laws, regulations) and social/cultural (beliefs, customs) that subordinates others based on physical characteristics involves use of power plus privilege
www.accta.net/2003whitedef.html

Usually experienced as white supremacy, oppression/discrimination, action or inaction which subordinates based on race.
www.letswrap.com/LetsWRAP/Spring97/isms.htm

Judging an individual solely on his or her racial affiliation.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072549238/student_view0/glossary.html

An assumption that there is an inherent purity and superiority of certain races and inferiority of others. It denotes any attitude, behavior, or institutional structure that subordinates, persons or groups because of their race or ethnic background. Such practices can be intentional or unintentional.
web.bryant.edu/~fsp/modules/2/diversitygloss.htm

practices and attitudes that display dislike or antagonism towards people seen as belonging to particular ethnic groups. Social significance is attached to culturally constructed ideas of difference.
media.pearsoncmg.com/intl/ema/uk/0131217666/student/0131217666_glo.html

Prejudice or discrimination based on an individual's race. It can be expressed individually or through institutional policies or practices.
www.culturalpartnerships.org/productspubs/glossary.asp

is a form of persecution based on beliefs, practices, and institutions that negatively discriminate against people based solely on their perceived or ascribed race. When combined with the power to have a negative impact on those discriminated against in this way, racial persecution has been the source of extreme hardship for particular minorities, considered as aliens within particular societies.
www.encyclopedia-online.info/Racism

is a phenomenon in which people mistreat, discriminate against, dislike or even hate, have disdain for, or regard as inferior other people based on their real or perceived race. The term is almost always used pejoratively, with accusations of racism being very common but with few describing themselves as racist. The term racialism is sometimes favored as a less negative term by those who hold certain beliefs about other races which they believe to be scientifically justified.
www.encyclopedia4u.com/r/racism.html

the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

Racism has historically been defined as the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, that a certain race is inherently superior or inferior to others, and/or that individuals should be treated differently according to their racial designation. Sometimes racism means beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. There is a growing, but somewhat controversial, opinion that racism is a system of oppression -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

[noiretextatique]

137. the topic at hand is institutional racism

and you, not surprisingly, are stuck "everybody can be racist." what is it with americans? how can you grow up in this country and not have any clue about the difference between individual and institutional racism?!?! how is that even possible? ah yes, the chief privilege of privilege is ignorance.

[ultraist]

149. It's absolutely ASTONISHING

To see supposed Democrats deny that wide scale racism against people of color exists in our society! Just goes to show how deep seated racist beliefs are.

Are they really unaware of the difference between individual and systemic racism or are they throwing out illogical justifications to support their beliefs? Gotta wonder...

[noiretextatique]

152. the chief privilege of privilege

is ignorance, feigned or otherwise. defenders of the status quo inadvertantly dismiss their own oppression by seeking to color it with relativistic bullshit. exploiting existing racism, of a certain long-lived variety, has been a strategy of the republican party for many years now...funny how some democrats still haven't noticed it. instead, i keep hearing how everybody can be racist, yet i see only one thomas on the supreme court and only one condi rice and only one colin powell, and of course, republicans still can't buy many votes from black americans, perhaps that's why the focus on disenfranshing them.

[ultraist]

177. Your post bears repeating, particularly:

"the chief privilege of privilege" is ignorance, feigned or otherwise. defenders of the status quo inadvertantly dismiss their own oppression by seeking to color it with relativistic bullshit.

Yes, they dismiss their own oppression and fail to realize that the few benefits they reap from the status quo, even the poor whites, are far less than the benefits they would reap under a less elitist system.

[Swamp Rat]

182. Great posts, both of you.

Some people just refuse to understand, you know, acknowledge the elephant on the couch right next to 'em. Just look at the knee-jerk responses, especially late arrivals to the thread who seem to have ignored slor's other posts and from what perspective he comes.

Racism and patriarchy are so embedded in North America that to acknowledge it openly causes a maelstrom of vitriolic responses and on occasion, persistent harassment. I'm so glad I grew up in the thumbnail of the Caribbean. We might be the poorest and most uneducated skoolwize, but the rest of "white America" looks foolish in their defense of historical fiction/fictional history. The linear logic and reference to, say, daddy's 1950s series of the "World Book," makes for incredibly funny banter, if not totally depressing.

To quote David Chappell, "this racism is killing me." :cry:

[ultraist]

195. "daddy's 1950 series of the world book"

LMAO! :rofl:

You can't get more white bread and twinkies than that.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

164. "Supposed" being the operative word

[Swamp Rat]

93. No they are NOT "genuine black people!"

:D

[forgethell]

107. So, they've

worn "blackface" all their lives?

[Swamp Rat]

120. What the hell is "genuine black people?"

[evermind]

184. Yep. Those GREEN republicans are the worst! n/t

[ultraist]

96. How many high ranking elected Black Republicans are there?

Hmmm? How many high ranking Black appointees are there?

"genuine black people" WTF does that mean?

[forgethell]

108. It means

"African" descent. Don't you think they have it?

[noiretextatique]

112. forget it...this person i s determined to ignore context

in his quest for self-righteousness :eyes: he posits a coloblind world, where everything is equal, so commenting on the fact that our political landscape, not just the republican party, is dominated by white people is "racist."

[noiretextatique]

124. that's just a complete fantasy

a handful of blacks in the bush administration IN NO WAY indicates that blacks have any substantial power in the republican party. for example colin powell and condi rice both claim to be pro-affirmative action...where is their "power" on that issue in the republicans party, the party that is solidly against affirmative action?
is it not even true of the democratic party.

[AntiCoup2K4]

74. No, it just gives you far less people to hate

...but most Republicans are bad Republicans these days. Unfortunately, so are some "Democrats". And that will be demonstrated again today when they take the Bolton vote, unfortunately :(

[mmonk]

187. Nope, I'm sick of white republicans

and I'm white. I'm sick of all republicans and friends with anyone who is sick of any of them.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

4. she can say that without being a racist.

what if she's white? would that change her comment?

[forgethell]

17. No.

I don't think so. Self-hating white, perhaps. Was she?

[efhmc]

22. Dear Forgethell, I really think that you are missing the point of the

orginal statement. I think the point was and is that these are the people in the position of power now and that they (white, priviledged men) have not ever been without this gift of power and they seem to have absolutely no empathy for anyone else; anyone who is different and who has struggled in any way. I think that is where the "white" part of this comes in. If they were striped orange and they had the kind of relentless power and inability to relate to other humans that these folks have, I think the term would be, "I am tired of orange striped repukes."

[forgethell]

28. And yet,

there are other kinds of Republicans. Why isn't she tired of them? My opinion: the woman is a racist. All people in positions of power tend to want to hold on to it. Race has nothing to do with it.

In any event, let's say she had said, "I'm tired of black Democrats." Wouldn't you consider that a racist statement? If not, why not? I certainly would.

I don't think I missed the point at all.

[efhmc]

30. You made an interesting point. I can see how adding race to the

statement skewed it in your eyes but how else could one convey the thought that these are all white men with power who use it in evil, harmful ways in order to keep control of the power position that they have maintained forever.

[forgethell]

34. By specifically naming

the ones she means.

Besides, they haven't maintained it"forever". Democrats sometimes win elections. If the only way we can see to win is to constantly insult the majority, who, at least for the time being are white, we have a very hard road ahead of us.

I think the attitude shown by this woman is racist, and inexcusable.

[efhmc]

38. I did not say one party or the other, I meant positions of power in

whatever capacity. I live where white Dem men were in power forever. Of course, they are now mostly all white repuke men.

[forgethell]

42. They're in power

because, historically, whites created the institutions of government in the United States at a time when there was hardly anybody else here(and don't go on about the Native Americans, they still didn't outnumber the whites). And secondly because, they still outnumber everybody else put together. do the math.

Sure, there's some racist whites. There are also racist blacks. A lot of Asians seem to be racist, too. Not just against blacks or whites, but against each other, too. Many Koreans and Chinese, for example, hate the Japanese, and also each other. Racism is not about power, but about hate, so don't tell me blacks can't be racist in our culture, either. That's bullshit.

[Swamp Rat]

52. "historically"

More of that "North Atlantic fiction."

"do the math." - :rofl:

"That's bullshit." - Nope. It's...



HAHA!! :D

[forgethell]

53. OK, then,

which is the dominant (numerically) group in America today. I thought it was the whites, but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe facts don't mean anything to you.

[Swamp Rat]

59. Your in-depth quantitative analysis is quite intriguing...

NOT! :D



Just kidding forgethell! ;)

[forgethell]

61. And yet,

you can't answer a simple question. I'm impressed.

[noiretextatique]

109. how much power do black democrats have?

the absolute relativists like you drive me bonkers. you folks exist in a world without context, so a statement on the racism inherent in republicanism, as has been put forth by that party and its leaders, becomes "racist" itself. IT'S THE CONTEXT, S^&^*#)!!!!!!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

35. self-hating white? what a ludicrous statement.

:eyes:

[forgethell]

37. Oh?

:eyes:

[ultraist]

78. So, a white person that points our racism is "self hating?"

White people are not allowed to point out racism? If they do, they are "self hating?" I've heard this tired worn out justification too.

[forgethell]

84. Perhaps.

I do not know. I did ask a question rather than make a statement. Sure, they can point out white racism without being "self-hating". but that is not what she did, as I understood the OP. She just made a blanket statement, and I think that was racist. Further, I will continue to call out racists as I think it is abominable.

[Name removed]

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[efhmc]

11. Someone vented against the powers that be and someone posted (It

probably was because he/she agreed.) about it.

[tnlefty]

8. I think that I heard her. During her comments did Lamb drop his

head, stopped looking at the camera, and was busily scribbling notes? Is she the one who went off about the war, etc?

[donsu]

72. yes, I thought she was great and Lamb the enabler didn't let Lee

Hamilton answer her. Lamb butted in and changed her question and had Hamilton answer that.

they made quite a team this morning. Lee Whitewash Hamilton and Brian Enabler Lamb.

[JanMichael]

10. I am a white female, and I am sick to damned death of them

Call me a racist, but rich white Republicans are pissing me off more and more every single damned day.

But, I am also sick to damned death of Condi, Clarence Thomas...etc....can't stand the whole lot of them.

[Swamp Rat]

14. I'm a rat and I'm sick of despotic chimps

[slor]

20. Please do not try to turn me into a racist...

by this post. I posted it because I felt it was something that needed to be said. I am a African American man, with a white wife. And if that does give you pause from suggesting I may be stirring up trouble, how about this post from earlier:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3732014&mesg_id=3732041&page=>

I do not like any rethuglicans, and her statement really should not offend anyone at this website, other than the freeptards that lurk here.

[efhmc]

24. You are not one and this thread does not make you one.

[Swamp Rat]

25. More power to you.

Good post, btw. This Creole went Brazilian and never went back! ;)

My post above is just lighthearted joking and I meant no offense to you. :)

[slor]

50. No offense taken...

and I know what you mean about those beautiful Brazilian people!

[lonestarnot]

23. I am particularly sick of .... all of them!

[Straight Shooter]

29. I'm sick of privileged Republicans lording over the rest of us.

And I'm sick of people who can't see them for what they are.

But, in my perspective, yes, most of those in power are fat cat, middle-aged or older, white males. So, if the shoe fits ...

[mopaul]

31. i'm rich, white and successful, why can't everyone else be?

look at colin and condi and don king, all perfect examples of fine, upstanding, conformist, republican black folks. why can't all black folks be like them?

(heavy sarcasm of course)

[noiretextatique]

104. i went ballistic on someone who said this last night

talking about how poor people just needed to "think positive" :eyes: he wanted to use the example of black south africans, but i suggested he talk about white south africans instead. did they acquire the wealth of that country by "positive thinking"...or did apartheid have something to do with it?
my mantra these days: the chief privilege of privilege is arrogant ignorance.

[efhmc]

33. Maybe "priviledged" repuke should be our code word for white guys.

[Sparkle]

36. What a racist statement!

I'm sick of ALL republicans. LOL.

[forgethell]

49. Someone who gets it.

Good for you, Sparkle

[Tsiyu]

39. There is this false belief that many of the White males

in power hold: That this country is what it is today because of white males and no one else.

I have never heard White females claim that they "Made America what it is today." I have never heard African Americans or Hispanics or any other group claim that their race or gender is the main impetus behind this nation's success.

But I have heard plenty of White men speak as if only White males built this nation and only White males are entitled to run it.

Not all mind you, but enough to make me wonder why some White males have such delusions of their own abilities and such blind indifference to the contributions of Red, Yellow, Brown and Black people. That's why I'm sick of them. Look at your congress. Look at your corporations. Who is destroying this nation faster than anyone else?

[Swamp Rat]

43. Ta da!

Don't think of a big, fat, white elephant... with a bad comb-over. :D

Actually, they're kinda green. ;)

[Tsiyu]

51. Well, there is an evil White female for you

Thanks for the reminder :puke:

Hope your day is well, Swamp Rat! Bom Dia!
:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

54. Tudo bem?

Falta sono, eu. Vou dormir agora um poquinho. Olha em cima porque deixei um pedaço de cocô no colo dese cara de pau. ;) Não sou respobsável porque tô doido de falta sono. :D

[Tsiyu]

60. E Certo que voce nao

e responsavel diante isso!

Voce tem uma boa minuto de sono. Aqui e uma smiley para dormir:

:boring:

[Swamp Rat]

69. Brigado

Tô fazendo as piadas, mas acho que ele tá um poquinho bravo agora. Acabo de lhe bater no olho retóricalmente. :D Vou dormir agora! Me diga se algo vai passar ruim aqui. Não gosto o sacanagem que faz este malandro. :boring:

[Tsiyu]

76. Eu tambem nao

Stou quieto, muito mais que o usual bhg.

Vou mater tu informado...Now sleep!

[donsu]

77. agree - how many Chinese died building our railroad?

as an example

[Lydia Leftcoast]

41. I'm sick of powerful Republicans spouting their line of bull, and

I'm sick of the anti-intellectualism of American culture, which makes it possible for so many ordinary people to believe whatever the Republicans dish out.

[ulysses]

48. that tradition of anti-intellectualism

is one of our greatest challenges. Not to say that everyone has to be a brainiac, but Pepperbelly's bumpersticker Christians thread got me thinking again about our apparent inability, as a culture, to sustain more than the simplest of thoughts. We get snookered a lot because of it.

[LeahMira]

82. Why is that?

I'm sick of the anti-intellectualism of American culture, which makes it possible for so many ordinary people to believe whatever the Republicans dish out.

Why do you think American culture is so anti-intellectual? I see parents struggling to send their kids to college but then monitoring everything that those kids are learning and thinking so the kids can't deal with ideas their parents fear. We claim to want wise leaders but we have now a leader whose appeal (to some) seems to be in the fact that he's no smarter than they are.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

87. I don't know where it came from, and it has gotten worse in my

lifetime.

It may come from the predominance of the commercial media in our country, because commercial broadcasters also profit when people are ignorant. It got noticeably worse when local newscasts stopped covering things like city council meetings and started concentrating on fires, murders, cute kitten and puppy stories, and promos for their network's programming. ("Coming up at ten! An interview with the stars of Friends as they approach their last episode!")

[UdoKier]

55. Yep, I'm sick of the white ones...

...but the few token black ones, gay ones, Asian ones, etc. etc, are even worse, since in one way or another they are selling out their brothers and sisters for few shekels.

[LibDemAlways]

57. I heard that caller and

her use of "white" was unfortunate, because otherwise she was great. This is the gist of what she said: "I'm sick of these white republicans. They are some of the lowest creatures to ever walk the face of the earth." After he heard that one, Brian Lamb was speechless for a second.

Also had on Lee Hamilton of the 9/11 committee this am and at least one caller let him have it about LIHOP. Lamb goaded the caller into providing "reasons" for his views and the guy was ready with a good comeback: "They needed 9/11 as a pretext for the war they were planning." Only wish the caller had referenced PNAC to back up his point. Lamb got rid of him pretty quickly as it was.

[Swamp Rat]

70. "They" gave Lamb a Pod...

[ultraist]

71. I'm sick of Repukes that are dripping in white privilege!

White privilege seeps out of their every pore, like nasty ooze and infects our society. It's this white privilege pathology that permeates our policies, institutions and systems.

It's white privilege pathology that keeps the poor, women, and people of color oppressed. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Frist, Delay and the entire white "christian" Klan are despicable.

[Karenina]

90. The black *repukes somehow believe

that suckin' the peanuts outta *massa's butthole will ensure his annointing THEM with the same privilege. : evilgrin:

[Swamp Rat]

94. HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Yep!

Dey jus' "house lizards," doin' the lyin' fo' da massa! :D

[ultraist]

95. Thankfully, they are far and few between!

The 10% of Blacks who voted Republican are not well represented in the Grand Ole Party of white males. The number of very high ranking Black Republicans likely can be counted on one hand.

[donsu]

79. this caller made Brian Lamb blink - for all to see

a short time later he tried to find words to tell callers to .....(I'm supposing) cool their comments.

but he couldn't find the right word so he looked non-plussed and said nevermind.

I LOLed

[0007]

126. Brian Lamb can freeze water with just his eyes and not a word

coming out of his repuke mouth.

For the most part Brian is fairly level headed until a button is pushed.

[wildwww2]

99. I read a good post on DU the other day. The poster explained how

the roots of hate come from fear. And I thought that these sick motherfu#$ers in power are the most scary and worthy of fear beings I have ever seen. She has a good reason to be sick. Republicans are in charge of her country. And they are collectively pyschopaths.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[noiretextatique]

115. i am sick of them too

and all their defenders and enablers. i am sick of this country's racism, and ignorance and denial about all of it.

[FrenchieCat]

150. Let's just ask a simple question, shall we?

How many Black Republicans serve in the House of Congress?

How many Black Republicans serve in the Senate?

How many Black Republicans are President?

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[comsymp]

173. In a way, you're right

It's impossible for a small-d democrat to be racist, true.

If only all Democrats (and Republicans, Independents, etc.) felt the same...

And welcome to DU ;-)

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[HEyHEY]

172. The hypocrisy on this thread is fucking laughable

[sniffa]

180. i'm sick of white peopLe

but, what are ya gonna do? :shrug:

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