Hmmm..and then there's this..?

[SoCalDem]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1409301/posts?page=77#77


from the thousand+ post thread where they all trash us for being generous, and actually plan to have a freep VISIT Andy.. They even have a $100 "bounty" to be paid for it :puke:.. vile , evil people

To: franksolich
Miscellaneous factual information

1. Gore Vidal became interested in my writing and was the original writer for the Vanity Fair article about this issue and my work. Vidal was receiving chapters of the Black Box Voting book months before the book was published. Later, Vanity Fair had Michael Schnayerson write the article instead. Vidal is a gracious and entertaining man.

He invited me to his home in Hollywood Hills. Somewhere along the line, Andy Stephenson got hold of his phone number. (This was before Black Box Voting, Inc. existed, by the way). Andy tried to get Gore Vidal to donate to his secretary of state campaign, something that annoyed me very much, and he was constantly calling Mr. Vidal. At one time I asked Andy to stop calling him all the time.

Andy's willingness to schmooze everyone, paying special attention to those of fame and wealth, is actually a skill that could be put to good use in the nonprofit world -- or in the business world. That kind of ability can get deals done and networks formed, if used appropriately.

I am by nature an introvert, not a schmoozer. I have spoken with Mr. Vidal myself a few times, but I feel quite shy about just calling up a celebrity for no reason, as I feel that I am intruding if I do that. I did accept Mr. Vidal's invitation to a meeting at his home, but I felt hesitant to go alone, so I went there with two British gentlemen who were making a film. They were anxious to meet Vidal, and I believe later obtained an interview with him, or a voiceover, I'm not sure which, for a film about voting.

I found Mr. Vidal to be fascinating. He speaks very much like he writes, with elegant phraseology and rich description. Mr. Vidal was very kind, and also called his own agent to ask that he represent me as an author (!). (However, that didn't go far, and two months later I gave the rights to the book to the nonprofit organization as a donation.)

My take on my own visit with Gore Vidal is this: He is now elderly, and has a fascinating perspective on many political events through the years. I told my husband after this meeting that I enjoyed it very much, and in almost the exact way that I very much enjoyed and appreciated a meeting with my husband's 102-year old aunt, a spry African-American woman who had witnessed first-hand over a century of black history in the deep South.

I haven't called Mr. Vidal since that meeting, exept to thank him for the time and to follow up on the business about the literary agent. He's a good person, and I think is very gracious about accepting calls and is probably very easy for Andy to talk to, but I think most calls probably come from Andy to Vidal, not the other way around. However, I would not find it surprising if Mr. Vidal called Andy to wish him well. Vidal is a genuinely nice person.




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2. Florida:

First, Volusia County is small -- 220,000 voters total -- and its "big city" is Deland, which reminds me of Mayberry. By itself, it cannot possibly have affected the presidential race in Florida. For a long time, I could not understand why Volusia was hitting such a nerve with certain factions of the Democratic Party (i.e. the Kerry operatives). They wanted us to leave Volusia alone. Made no sense at the time.

Kathleen (the excellent full time investigator for BBV who has been content to fly under the radar instead of seeking attention) and I did indeed find poll tapes in the garbage. Andy was not there, but later saw the poll tapes we had retrieved.

The post he did on DU about what he "knew" about Volusia County was lifted directly from portions of my own post on DU about Volusia County --- the one that got me banned for life.

The information in that post was the result of investigations in which, for the most part, he was not present. With another investigator who likes to stay under the radar also, I visited a number of poll workers in Volusia County in areas where there were anomalies on the poll tapes.

Oh: This is what a poll tape is, sorry --

When the polls close, voting machines print a results tape. This results tape looks like a long cash register tape. It is a printout of the data on the memory card.

The memory card is like a floppy disk, but shaped like a credit card. It holds the votes themselves in a data file. It is the electronic ballot box and the poll tape is the printed results of that particular ballot box. Poll tapes are supposed to be printed at the polling place and signed by the poll workers to authenticate them.

OK. Here's what happened: Me and my investigative friend went to poll worker's houses in Volusia to ask them about discrepancies in the poll tapes, see what they knew.

They all told us something we hadn't been aware of: That in this one area, which had about 1/3 of all the polling places in Volusia County, instead of transmitting the results to the headquarters, they had been instructed to drop off everything -- voting machines, poll tapes (signed by them), ballots -- at a "drop off point" at the Daytona Speedway. They were instructed to drive through, a person would come out and get the bag of stuff, and they never saw who was inside.

A large percentage of the polling places that dropped off their stuff at the Daytona Speedway building ended up with anomalies. Several of the poll workers said the poll tapes we showed them, copies of what we got from headquarters, did not match what they remember dropping off at the speedway.


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Shortly after the Keith Olberman (MSNBC) smear, where he said I was "making up news" about Volusia County, and Democratic Underground went on an I-hate-Bev rampage, I was called by someone who works for a highly placed cog in the Kerry campaign wheel. He said they feel really bad about what happened with Olbermann, but (and I quote) "we should have told you to stay out of Florida."

According to Andy, Randi Rhodes told him that Air America had forbidden her from mentioning the Volusia incident. This is corroborated for me because I was interviewed by Thom Hartmann on Air America shortly after Thanksgiving, and the second I mentioned Volusia he changed the subject and ended the show.

We were told by a lower-level guy, who was the Kerry lawyer in Volusia, to get out of the county and that nothing but trouble would come of our investigation.

Every time I mentioned Volusia County on DU the attack dogs were unleashed. I started putting two and two together. My last post on DU was a test: I put the word "Volusia" prominently in the title and wrote of what we found there.

The post was immediately locked and I was banned for life, though I had broken no rules. A trashfest, instigated and encouraged by Skinner himself, followed.

Why is Volusia County relevant? We now know. I never thought I'd do the tipoff on a new story on Free Republic, but here it is:

There is a component of the Volusia County voting system that has escaped mention by any activist or computer scientist as a vulnerability. It is the memory card (with corresponding attention paid to its printout, the poll tape.)

IN THE DIEBOLD MEMORY CARD THERE IS MORE THAN JUST DATA.

It doesn't just hold votes. We have now proven that the Diebold memory cards -- the ballot boxes on Diebold machines -- also contain an executable program that acts on the votes.

This program can act "appropriately" on the votes. However, the executable program on the memory card is so porous that you can use it to literally re-write the entire electronic interpretation of the ballots, a manipulation that will produce false poll tapes that match a false central tabulator result.

The computer experts we are working with say it is inconceivable to them that anyone could possibly think it is appropriate to have an executable program inside a memory card holding vote data. What is means is that every electronic ballot box in America has the digital equivalent of a little man with an eraser and a pencil inside the ballot box. Unbelievably, inconceivably, stupendously poor design and we now have many reasons to believe the idiocy of this design is intentional, rather than clumsiness, on the part of the Vancouver, Canada-based programmers who created the system.

The system, by the way, was created by a company called Global Election Systems, acquired by Diebold in 2002. The programmers are still there from the old company.

We are keenly interested in demonstrating this hack in a real elections office in New Hampshire, where they use the same system.

All for now,

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org



77 posted on 05/24/2005 8:07:10 AM PDT by BevHarris
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[Carolab]

1. Wow, just wow. n/t

[paineinthearse]

2. wtf?

:wtf:

Look how she is received!

[Kelvin Mace]

47. Is there now ANY doubt

about the EVIL of this woman.

The only funny part in this is the Freepers are buying into her.

[EFerrari]

87. None. And I've talked to Gore to give him updates. He's obviously

very fond of Andy.

[Zhade]

117. I cannot fathom the machinations inside Bev's fucked-up mind.

That she would do this is not surprising - she's a total fraud, liar, and ego whore - but DAMN, he's in fucking surgery, bitch!

I feel so damned stupid for ever having helped her one bit.

[Kelvin Mace]

136. We all do, my friend

But what we did, we did out of genuine love of fairness That is nothing to be ashamed of.

[Zhade]

138. True. Still, the damage she has done...man.

I wish I'd never met the stupid lying bitch.

[Kelvin Mace]

139. Never did get a chance to talk to him

Did you know it was the plan in the Fall of of 2003 that Mr. Vidal was going to review Bev's book for Vanity Fare?

Bev then screwed that up. She still got into VF but her refusal to just finish the damn book meant we missed the deadline.

[EFerrari]

141. Sounds so familiar to me, can't tell you. n/t

[peekaloo]

3. kick

my head hurts

[CanSocDem]

4. "...we now have many reasons to believe the idiocy of this design is ...

...intentional, rather than clumsiness, on the part of the Vancouver, Canada-based programmers who created the system."

Yeh...we're all hard-wired for DEMOCRACY.

[LightningFlash]

5. That GOP scam artist Bev Harris....

She has gone off the proverbial deepend! :crazy:

She thinks the democrats are responsible for producing an electronic fraud based Diebold software, which could steal elections from republicans? Or vice versa?

Her name should be shamed and destroyed. There is no reason for this manipulative partisan hack to be in charge of election reform. Hardly anything she does has ever been non-partisan, and I see through the lies of anybody who ever supported this. Bev Harris just screams of an actual neocon shill to me.

[Carolab]

10. Wait, how did you get that?

I don't see that she is saying the programmers are Dems.

[ebayfool]

18. Actually, I think she is ... unless the 'Duh' answer she gives to this

question means something other than what it looks like she's insinuating. At least, if not Dem programmers - then someone working for the Dems. Some of her other posts insinuate that DU banned her because she was getting close to exposing skulduggery WE didn't want exposed.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1409301/posts?page=281#281

To: Allosaurs_r_us
>Given some of the attempts by DemonRats at voter fraud they would be the moron in question.

Duh.

>It will take me all of 20 minutes to see if you have any idea what you are talking about.

Why so long?

281 posted on 05/24/2005 3:14:11 PM PDT by BevHarris
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Do a search on her posts, very illuminating.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=100516

[Carolab]

21. You meant the references she made to the Kerry team saying to backoff

I caught that, but does that necessarily mean she's implying that the programmers were Dems?

[ebayfool]

23. The response that she made to being asked ...

If this only pertains to Volusia County, it is no wonder they did not want you exposing it, as it is so transparent that a 13 year old hacker would recognize it. Given some of the attempts by DemonRats at voter fraud they would be the moron in question.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1409301/posts?page=281#255

Her answer?
Duh.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1409301/posts?page=281#281

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Like I said above - At least, if not Dem programmers - then someone working for the Dems.

As for the part above (I'm not sure which part you're asking @ so I'm putting in both) that concerns:

Some of her other posts insinuate that DU banned her because she was getting close to exposing skulduggery WE didn't want exposed.

That one she outright says -

"Every time I mentioned Volusia County on DU the attack dogs were unleashed. I started putting two and two together. My last post on DU was a test: I put the word "Volusia" prominently in the title and wrote of what we found there.

The post was immediately locked and I was banned for life, though I had broken no rules. A trashfest, instigated and encouraged by Skinner himself, followed.

Why is Volusia County relevant? We now know. I never thought I'd do the tipoff on a new story on Free Republic, but here it is: "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1409301/posts?page=77#77

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She looks to me to be insinuating, as strongly as possible w/out coming right out & saying the words, that the vote fraud is by Dems (or their programmers) & that DU was on her to keep it quiet. I wasn't registered before all the BBV stuff started coming down w/her, but I was here reading, nonetheless. She is playing the same song to them that she was collecting money for here. Only now, the hints & tips are being aimed at the Dem side of the playing field. Right along w/the usual promises of 'White Papers' to come, exposing it all. Just a little more time, we're such a small crew, don't make much money for this ever-so-important fight ... & on. Same as she played it here. Oh, only now - she's adding the god thing & tithing her pittance of a wage to her church - gotta play to the crowd w/the ammo available. O8)

I don't know her or any of the people that were involved in the BevWars. But the fact that she choses to jump in a thread w/her revelations & insinuations @ the Dems, a thread that is hammering Andy w/the most vile crap, tells me alot @ her shame or lack of it. I had a low opinion reading her stuff during the wars, all of it, this has just confirmed my original take on her. She's ... well, nevermind - it's not nice. But I see the insinuations, the way she is leading them - encouraging them to conclude.

And she's doing on a thread that is disparaging Andy.

on edit: She's doing on a thread that is disparaging Andy while he is laying in a hospital bed. One can only hope that Karma is the bitch she's said to be! And that she's looking for Bev!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

41. What the...?

Huh...I wasn't involved in the BevWars either, but you think ol' Bev would realize one thing: if "Democratic Operatives" were behind the programming that she "discovered" after the election, well, gee...don't you think that Kerry would have...I don't know...WON OHIO THAT NIGHT???
Even if further investigation does prove that Kerry did in fact win Ohio, you'd think they would have "arrainged" a victory for that night. Or is Bev going to claim that the Republicans were "on to" us and came out in record numbers to counteract our "illicit motives"

I don't actually believe that "Dem agents or their programmers" are behind the voter fraud issue. Like I said, if we were, don't you think we would either have the White House or at least one house of Congress. What good is cheating if you have nothing to show for it?

Pardon my language, but I've come to the conclusion that Bev is a fucking loony and a con artist who should be arrested.

[Kelvin Mace]

50. Ding, ding, ding!!!!

And the man wins a gold cigar.

Bev Dudley, aka Bev Harris, aka Sonja Johnson, is not anyones schill, she is in it for Bev. Fame and money are her quest and she will destroy anyone who comes between her and it.

She has damaged our cause with lust for camera face-time and cash.

[elehhhhna]

52. methinks Rove made a (cash) offer she couldn't refuse. She IS greedy.

[earth mom]

74. No doubt! nt

[Kelvin Mace]

49. The Freepers now embrace her

because of the Washington governor's race.

Bev has made posting at her own site (later purged) that claimed the Dems were thwarting her efforts.

She also claims George Bush bought her book.

http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/bushbought.htm

This was around the time DU dried up as a money source and she started cultivating the Freeps.

[Kelvin Mace]

48. No, just a very vile person

who loves money and fame.

[Zorra]

148. I could see the DLC being involved in electronic voting fraud right

along with the republicans.

Because the DLC is self-acknowledged as being an organization within the Democratic Party that is servile to transnational corporate interests and is heavily financed with corporate money, I could see them protecting a balloting system that would insure that corporations maintain democratically unchallengeable control of the US government.

I am not saying that this is true, but this possibility has crossed my mind in the past. The DLC was right there calling for war in Iraq, and many DLC members often vote with republicans.

I absolutely do not trust the DLC.

[katinmn]

6. So Bev the Tumor is now a FReeper?

:rofl:

What a jackass!!

[Bouncy Ball]

7. Wow.

The woman has serious paranoid fantasies, doesn't she?

:crazy:

Oooooookay! You betcha! :rofl:

[elehhhhna]

53. My favorite part , paraphrased: "Andy is so nervy that he CALLED

Gore Vidal (!). I, on the other hand, am so humble and well-bred that i brought a freakin camera crew."

LOL.

(Andy--try not to laugh at the smartypants posts, it might hurt a little to do so. Just bookmark for later...)

[EFerrari]

89. Yes, BB, she probably does. And that's one reason why she is

so believably. Most of the time, she probably believes herself.

[Zhade]

119. I can't believe I risked a lawsuit on her behalf.

Cripes, that's enough to turn you off from activism at all.

Gee, that couldn't be part of the plan, could it?

Nah. I just think Bev is completely out for herself. What a conniving bitch.

[loudsue]

149. She sure made a fool out of me, and I'm NOT getting over it

It's hard for some of us to believe when we are manipulated and played by people who are so vile. Like, how can someone be saying all the right things, day after day, consistently, and still have entirely opposite motives from what they are saying?

I mean, you see these television programs when people are screwed over like that, but DUers gave heart and soul (and big bucks) to help support Bev, and research ALL of the issues behind the vote-stealing machine industry, so that Bev Harris could laugh all the way to the bank. I mean, this went on for over a year!

:banghead:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

8. She's insane

[Swamp Rat]

24. Didn't she, or somebody, say late last year that she was a Freeper?

I remember reading that and then I found her posting on FR. I was talking to her the night right before she was banned; she was trying to "enlist" my services but I refused to contact her - I'm glad I did.

[Zhade]

120. I'm glad too! She's a total whore.

I am so pissed about this, I can't see straight. The fucking NERVE she has.

[BlueIris]

36. Bev Harris really DOES need to park herself on a therapist's couch.

For pretty much the rest of her life. I can't speak to whether or not she's truly "insane," or a secret GOP shill, (seems unlikely to me, but everyone's entitled to believe what they want I guess) but she does have some obvious anger management issues that are...similar to the ones I used to have, along with some other unpleasant traits, which need to be addressed by a professional. Some of you on this board know what I'm talking about, I'm sure. Like most people with her set of problems, the reasons for her behavior stand out like a neon sign above her head--and until she deals with that, she simply isn't going to be that terrific an activist (or that happy a person). I hope she gets or is getting help soon.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. Who else thinks she's looking for new sheep to fleece?

I can't be the only one.

Bev and freerepublic, what a pair. :rofl:

[Cleita]

14. I think so too.n/t

[Binka]

20. Nah Bev Doesn't Fleece Sheep She Fucks Them Hard In The Ass

Bev is the only female I've EVER called FUCKWITTAGE!

[Kelvin Mace]

51. THEN she fleeces them

[Binka]

93. Only After She Has Stolen The Gold In Their Teeth n/t

[blondeatlast]

109. Yep. She's a despicable wretch.

And loony to boot.

[Mojorabbit]

11. I don't understand why

they give a shit about people on this board. It doesn't concern them after all. Don't they have something better to do?

[blondeatlast]

110. Simple. We possess intelligence, independence, and generosity.

Envy is a powerful motivation.

They haven't got the guts to enlist for the military they claim to fervently support.

[Straight Shooter]

12. "I am by nature an introvert, not a schmoozer ..."

I am, however, a freakin' namedropper like none you ever saw before, yee-HAW!

Vidal, Vidal, Vidal, meeting, meeting, likes me, likes me, Vidal, Vidal, Vidal, his home in Hollywood Hills, Vidal, Vidal, Vidal, spoken to him on the phone, Vidal, Vidal, Vidal, represent me as an author ...

Good grief.

:wtf:

[elehhhhna]

55. The shame is that she meant Vidal Sassoon. Pre-senile dementia's a bitch

[EFerrari]

90. It's worse than that. Gore probably met both Bev and Andy and

liked Andy and found Bev annoying. That would be anathema to certain personalities who worship celebrity -- or who want to be one themselves.

[BigTentDemocrat]

13. This is a major find

Regardless of whether you love her or hate her, I don't see how anyone can doubt that people over at blackboxvoting.org continue to "do the work."

Folks, this sounds like the smoking gun that everyone has been hoping for. I for one am hopeful that she is correct.

TJ

[Cleita]

15. If she is, then you'd better make her follow through on it.

Somehow smoking guns and following through are not her strong points. She still hasn't explained why she didn't follow through on the Ohio election even though funds were raised for her to do so. Sorry this is more smoke and mirrors, not smoking guns.

[anitar1]

22. Cleita, You Are So Right.

Having read a lot of her writing and rantings, none of them made a bit of sense. I am sure Vidal saw exactly what was before him. That is if she ever laid eyes on him. Sounds like more fantasy and hatred to me. She will fade away when the freepers begin to realize that they are having severe anal pain.

[Kelvin Mace]

57. She isn't

Since she drove of her competent techs and programmers, she has produced NOTHING of value.

Practically ALL of the major "discoveries" she is credited for, were the work of other people. This is a woman who threatened to sue me for accepting the Diebold email (she was convinced it was a trap) and always let other people take risks rather than endanger herself.

The real story about BBV, Bev, the book, etc are in the archives here at DU.

Bev scammed over a million dollars from folks thanks to her conning Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy. For that money she has produce ZERO evidence.

Yes, I am angry and VERY bitter. This woman damn near ruined me and my business with her lies. I will be paying for my association with this person for YEARS.

And if she isn't at the bottom of the anti-Andy smears, George Bush won the 2000 election.

[pgh_dem]

85. That's a mighty big tent, BigTentDemocrat...

To include support for unsubstantiated allegations of fraud against the Kerry campaign in Florida....that they somehow pulled off undetected, and yet LOST the state....

Looks to me that the only smoking gun here has the words, "Bev Harris is For Sale to The Highest Bidder"

[blondeatlast]

111. Where's the money to follow up on Ohio fraud?

She's a con artist, IMHO.

Nothing more, nothing less--wait, there is more.

An attention whore, too.

[Zhade]

121. Oh, fuck off and go tell your master Bev the same.

We are SO not that stupid.

[NC Beach Girl]

122. you had me at "folks"

bwahahahaha

so transparent!

[RetroLounge]

158. Oh Bullshit.

Scamper back into your Bev-Hole and PFO.

RL

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Don't the freepers care that she is trying to

find proof that the repukes stole the election? Or is she demonic enough to blame it on the Dems....or try to?

She must need some more $$$$$$. Freepers are her new bank.

[Ellipsis]

17. How very odd...

The premise with the card IS conceivable, tho, She must be fishin' for something. Why wouldn't she just use her own site? Just to spite DU and bag Andy. This is just too weird to be real.

Dontchaknow.

[blondeatlast]

112. With your hidden profile, I don't know how long you've been here.

But if you weren't here at least 1-1/2 years ago you have no idea of what went on.

The vast majority of us don't have to speculate. We know all about what she's done.

[Ellipsis]

170. November 04

I caught the tail end of The Bev and Andy show. I know of opportunists. I have read some of her comments. Icky... But if she HAS evidence. She must bring it forward. Period. PERIOD.

[ebayfool]

19. How apropos ... she's working the freepers on a thread @ scamming.

Hope she hits 'em up hard, they deserve each other!

B*itch turns tricks both ways - dems & repubs!
At least she doesn't reserve screwing people to a single party, she takes on all comers w/a buck to be had!

Try it, wave a dollar in the air & call 'Beevvv .... monnneeey' - see how long it takes!

[Dorian Gray]

40. Are they actually giving her money?

LOL...

[xchrom]

25. bev and freepers sittin in a tree

k.i.s.s.i.n.g.

well the hope is she'll fleece a good number of them for a bunch of cash.

[linazelle]

26. Somebody please 'splain this to me....dumb it down. What is all this? nt

[Kelvin Mace]

58. What part?

This is VERY complicated, so which part do you want explained?

[EFerrari]

92. What about this?

There was a woman who because of her ability to manipulate, had some success as a PR professional. But that didn't really satisfy her emptiness, so she looked for a way to become a "hero" to thousands of people. Ah! (insert cause here).

The problem was, she was deeply disturbed and her real mission was always to obliterate her internal chaos.

So, even though she could be smart and charming and affectionate, she poisoned every relationship she developed with friends, co-workers and comrades when they got close enough to see how truly disturbed she was.

And when she saw this happened, she immediately, compulsively and vindictively punished the other person with anything in her power. And she went through this cycle with everyone that walked into her charmed circle. Regardless of the cost to her herself or anyone one else. Over and over and over, playing to the biggest possible audience.


Does that about sum it up?

:eyes:

[Jose Diablo]

102. Mostly, but what about

why she was/is deeply disturbed? There is the recent stuff, but what is the core of why she is doing what she is doing?

It's like she wants people to hate her and also be the victim at the same time. She acts like one sick puppy. But she can bite too.

Never mind, I don't want to know. I have others things to do.

Adios for now.

[EFerrari]

103. From here, it looks and quacks like an anti-social personality.

And I agree, you have other nonlife-sucking things to do. :)

[AlienGirl]

126. I'd say narcissistic personality, actually.

She seems to thrive on drama and attention, even more than on financial gain.

Tucker

[EFerrari]

131. They co-occur. But homicidal behavior isn't a characteristic

of narcissism per se.

What I've witnessed over the last three weeks, well, it's not much of a stretch to say Andy's life was put in danger. Not at all.

[elehhhhna]

186. Might I suggest sociopath w/ paranoid tendencies ?

[Helga Scow Stern]

200. Good description of a malignant narcissist. n/t

[EFerrari]

201. I didn't write this about Bev Harris but about someone else.

Although, it is possible that they are twins separated at birth.

[OrlandoGator]

27. It's been said a thousand times, but I'll say it again...

...holy shit. FR is the worst-designed website in the history of the fucking internet. Going over there gives me a damn migraine.

[Zorra]

150. Maybe it's not just the design....

The energy there is sick and twisted, like very few places on this planet. Maybe it is a portal to some kind of "cyberhell", for lack of a better word.

I never go there because, literally, it makes me feel sick.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. She must have back-stocked "Clinton Cigars" to peddle...

...and she's found a market for them.:eyes:

Fuck Bev Harris, once and for all!:thumbsdown:

[mhr]

29. This Makes You Wonder How Many More Freeper Operatives

Have been setup to infiltrate the Democratic party.

[Boredtodeath]

30. She just couldn't resist

Slamming Andy Stephenson while he was undergoing surgery could she?

[Tesla]

32. Bi-partisan my A$$

They take the things that they are quilty of, and change it around like it's the Dems doing it. They are giving away all their secrets!!!

What a HOOT!!!




Is it me, or does going over and reading that site give you the willys????
My vibes get all out-a wack!!!

[Boredtodeath]

33. Willys? More than willys!

What does it say that there's more than 1,000 posts investigating Andy Stephenson's illness?

Evidently, the original author of that thread does nothing else 24/7.

And there's Bev Harris right in the thick of it............

Those are some really sick human beings.

[SoCalDem]

34. The part that pisses me off is the "bounty" of $100 offered

for a freeper to "verify" the fact that Andy's in the hospital..That is out and out HARRASSMENT, and I hope that his visitors are screened.. I can almost imagine one of them actually showing up ..That's the LAST thing on earth he needs.

[Boredtodeath]

35. Just a bunch of sick assholes

Who, obviously, have no lives. It appears Ms. Harris has found her natural element.

Good catch, SoCal!

Now, let's assume these jerks will meet up with some of our own DUers if they TRY to harrass Andy while he recovers. Then they can spend their $100.00 "reward" on the ER.

[elehhhhna]

65. From US Vote Fraud Investigation to Andy's pancreas. Nice carreer arc Bev

[elehhhhna]

63. Andy should FedEx FR any tissue that was removed yesterday.

jus sayin.


edit: ooooh that's a good future screen name: Jess Sane

[EFerrari]

113. It may also be STALKING.. Anyone have good links for

internet STALKING?

Serious as a heartattack about this.

[Bouncy Ball]

43. Really? Over 1000?

Good, sounds like it's keeping them busy! ROFL!!!!

[Boredtodeath]

44. Plus a whole NEW thread now

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1410544/posts?q=1&&page=401

with more than 400 posts in that one (but no Bev yet).

[Kelvin Mace]

60. Can you give us a gist?

My skin is still raw from the scrubbing with Brillo Pads after my last visit.

[Boredtodeath]

64. LOL, sure

The gist is.........."Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy" and the $100.00 reward.

Sorry for the delay in responding, I was using the Brillos myself.

Uggggggggh!

[elehhhhna]

67. may I suggest a revision to " ...no Bev posting as Bev yet." ?

[EFerrari]

94. Not to mention, some really bad investigators.

:)

[elehhhhna]

61. Guilt. She has some well-deserved guilt that causes her to lash out.

[Kelvin Mace]

66. I belive you must have a soul to feel guilt

[elehhhhna]

72. I 'm just feigning benevolence by giving reptile the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe a dormant brain or heart cell popped up recently?








Nah.


Nevermind.

[EFerrari]

95. It's not guilt, it's paranoia and she seems to lack empathy

entirely. Which makes her dangerous to herself and everyone around her.

[Zhade]

123. It also makes her a SOCIOPATH.

The description fits.

[EFerrari]

133. Live a glove. You're right. n/t

[atommom]

31. The Bev story just gets stranger and stranger.

How long will it be before she gets kicked out of FR? And how much money will she get from them before they start seeing through her?

You just can't make this shit up. :shrug:

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Skinner]

38. We've reconsidered and unlocked the thread.

Sorry about that.

BTW: I see that Bev didn't mention anything about threatening to sue me. :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

39. Thanks..

I did not post it to be reckless..(and was a bit surprised that it was locked ) just as a heads up to the friends who are looking out for Andy ..for a heads up ...in case these freaks DO try to create a scene.. Andy surely does not need that right now:(

[merh]

78. Thanks SoCalDem

From previous posts and email "warnings", those helping Andy realized that the nasty trolls and freepers would try to slither into the hospital to verify his "illness".

I have been told that Johns Hopkins has wonderful security and that all who are helping Andy at the hospital, his friends and the hospital staff, have been warned of the potential for these vile visitors.

As a precaution, strings of cloved garlic have been distributed to all, as have the crucifixes, holy water and cans of bev-be-gone(tm), if it can repel her, it ought to work on her minions!! :crazy:

Thank you for posting this, it is rather interesting to read the words of a mad woman, dripping with evil and envy. The word exorcism comes to mind after reading this.

:hi:

[liberalnurse]

42. OMG....don't remind her.....

This woman is a she-devil......the Usher of Destruction.....

[Stephanie]

82. She will probably threaten to sue you for unlocking the thread

Maybe her new freeper friends will pay for it.

At this point I think she is prosecutable for harrassment. I have never seen anyone crueler in my life.

[lala_rawraw]

162. Wait, you guys...

A woman called me on the day of andy's surgery asking me if I had found any connection to Bev in my research and if she could verify my source at fed... I told her I would need to ask Andy first to discuss. Andy gave me green light (although he was highly drugged at the time) and I never heard back.

Um, who the hell called me?

[EFerrari]

176. Go take a bath, quick. n/t

[lala_rawraw]

181. ?

[Stephanie]

192. to wash the freeperness off your phone ear

beware, lala. they are ruthless and crazy. they are calling the hospital, they will harass you if they can. don't give out info to anyone you don't know. and Andy is all drugged up so please don't ask him for permission for anything until he's back to himself. he's not coherent right now.

[lala_rawraw]

194. No, this is a friend...

I was told by Andy. Checked name, credentials (also a journalist). Seemed on the up and up given my check with both the source (green light) and publication (green light). So what gives?

[insane_cratic_gal]

45. I'm inclined to believe

there is something on the memory cards, there is fraud happening in our election system.

but when it comes out of that woman's mouth! I want to run screaming in the other direction.

Bev has lost prespective, she's become parnoid and aggressive against everyone she sees as a threat.
I appericate the time and muscle she has donated to exposing diebold, but now someone needs to have her step down, so cooler heads can prevail. Because this is about democracy folks, Bev runs a dictatorship, she slaughters her own out of fear and parnioa.

If she is to stay the face of BBV, we will never be taken seriously, due to her blowing up and caring more about who gets credit then americans getting democracy.

I fail to believe or find her creditable when it comes her to character assassinations, she does them all too often to people, with very little merit.

[LizW]

80. That's the sad thing

Bev has effectively destroyed the credibility of the whole BBV movement.

Like you, I believe that there is something very wrong and that elections are being stolen. But it is just too much to figure out what is true and what isn't, it has all become so convoluted and distorted by Bev's actions.

It would take the average, somewhat informed person days or weeks to work through all the information and come to a trustworthy conclusion about what is happening with BBV. It is very discouraging.

[Stephanie]

83. Susan Truitt, Cliff Arnebeck, John Conyers, Ralph Neas

The movement has been taken up by serious, skilled, respectable people and Bev has fallen by the wayside. That's why she's enraged.

[blondeatlast]

116. Sadly, the advocacy may have to pretty much begin from the ground up.

I know many people, not just DUers, who poured so much time into it, but I give BBV no creidiblity now.

I'm afraid that someone must start a new organization at this point.

I'm so sorry for what she's done to those who worked so damn hard on such a critical issue.

[Kelvin Mace]

156. I learned quickly not

to mention her name and to distance myself from all her actions when I was working on the NC committee on e-voting. Her name was complete poison.

[blondeatlast]

114. Precisely the problem. I believe that electronic voting was a problem,

but after following Bev-led threads for a few weeks, I just got a creepy feeling about the whole thing and bowed out.

It's a legitimate problem, but she turned me off to the whole issue.

How much energy and time was lost regarding a legitimate issue because of her attention-whoring and manipulation?

I donated to the Ohio fraud fund and am pretty sure I got shafted. What's worse is that I got others, who are not political wonks like me, to donate too. Good, good friends.

I think I can speak of many on DU as well. Many of us just smelled something unpleasant and bowed away from a critical issue.

[Jose Diablo]

46. Velly interestink

As I read this, one question keeps popping-up. Is this post on FR truly from BH?

It wouldn't be the first time FR tried to stir the pot.

Then again, BH did seem to me to grope for money a lot. With the results always being something like, "well, we are getting much closer". But I still see the touch screens in use.

I will say this: it seems to me that she dumped on a lot of good researchers and activists right here on DU, then took the money and ran. That's what it looks like to me, but I am not an insider on all this stuff, all I know is what I can infer after watching some of her badmouthing everyone here.

BH was particularly venomous to one, I seem to remember her as screen name Hedda something or other. Anyway, Hedda had previous dealings with BH and knew what she had done before, and BH was trying to discount what Hedda knew, at least thats the impression I got.

And now, with the post on FR, slamming the owners and admins here on DU. This is unacceptable I think, if indeed it was from BH.

Anyway, I digress.

What I wanted to post here was to find out where BH is spending the money for the non-profit she established. Isn't it necessary to keep records when obtaining non-profit status and IF someone had donated to her cause and then asked to see those records which probably don't exist, well I think the IRS would be very interested and they themselves would ask BH, "Where is the beef".

She has extracted a huge sum of money from contributors right here on DU, has she filed the paperwork that shows she is indeed spending this hard earned money like she said she would? Or did she scam us, with a lie that she would use this money to stop election fraud?

Isn't this the important issue?

[Boredtodeath]

59. It WAS her

As someone who met her and worked on this topic, there are details that only a few know about - like the "english videographers" who went to Vidal's with her.

[Jose Diablo]

71. OK, if she has details in her post that only she would know

then that leaves only one last question in my mind, "Where is the beef"? What has she done with all the contributions she recieved, to say nothing about the settlement of the 'qua tra' (is that how its spelled).

[Boredtodeath]

76. LOL, Qui Tam

And where the accounting for all the contributions went, I doubt we'll ever see an answer to that question without a lawsuit.

[Stephanie]

84. All of that will be explained some day in the future.

There is a professional accountant doing an accounting. These things take time. The bank lost my records. All will be explained eventually, grasshopper. It's all Andy's fault.

*edit* Here is Bev/bailey explaining it herself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[Jose Diablo]

100. Then it's true, Bailey77 was BH

Thought so when I read the thread, and I see bailey has a marker. Makes sense now.

Edit: Like sfexpat says at the end, BH is a can short, but she has helped those stealing the election, even if that wasn't her intensions.
I wonder if there is a Beverly Bailey that graduated someplace in 1977. Naw, couldn't be.

[Kelvin Mace]

155. Qui tam

Made her $75K in California.

[elehhhhna]

68. It fits Bev's Mo. Plus she'd sue. She'd certainlyknow by now if someone

was impersonating her--she probably spends 2-3 hours per day Googling herself.

[Kelvin Mace]

69. Oh, it was her

Same style, same tone, same delightful way of prasing someone as she stick in the knife.

And no, there has been no accounting of the money and I doubt there ever will be.

We have already proven that she lied about how much she raised and have the docs to boot.

One of the reasons she has been working so hard to discredit Andy is because he knows where all the bodies are buried.

[Jose Diablo]

75. OK then, if Andy's got the 'goods'

then he must get well soon. And when he's up and around, then maybe a little more should be sent his way so he can pound the final nail in the coffin.

You know, maybe there is a 'purpose or design' in operation in this world. Wouldn't it be a sort of justice to have AS be the force that finishes BH? After all she had done to try to finish him? Does this idea sound nuts?

[Kelvin Mace]

86. Andy has been threatened repeatedly by Bev and her lawyers

about keeping quiet and not "divulging confidential" information. (This is what your money is beging used for folks).

She has promised to come after me and "ruin" me for my "sins". She certainly has libeled and slandered me repeatedly in the last year.

Now, if you read some of the posts in FreeperLand, the Freeps are planning on coming after anyone supporting Andy, invading their privacy and trying to harass them. They still contend that Andy is "faking" and scamming people (Bev's clever disinformation campaign bears fruit). They even claim Bev was *Andy's victim*. They are posting pics of Andy and mocking him and generally behaving like Freepers. These are the people that Bev Dudley , aka Bev Harris, aka Sonja Johnson embraces to her "cause".

[Lydia Leftcoast]

88. Could you explain the

"Bev Dudley, aka Bev Harris, aka Sonja Johnson" reference?

[Kelvin Mace]

125. Bev's real name is

Bev Dudley (her married name). I believe Harris is her maiden name. Sonja Johnson was a scam she pulled on me, pretending to be a CPA hired by Bev to audit the sales of her books. No such person exists and the IP address she was using tracked back to Bev's ISP and matched other messages coming from Bev. She used this persona to get access to my books, then misreported the information to bolster her claim I "stole" from her when no such evidence existed.

[Jose Diablo]

91. Ah, I see

Why not try this then.

It would seem like BH appears to be a 'free agent' acting out of her maleficence for her own benefit. But is she? From what she has produced, it looks like the biggest beneficiaries are those bums that are getting away with stealing elections.

Right now, election fraud has the attention of one, John Conyers. I met him way back in the early 70's and I can tell you this, he reminds me of a tough alley cat, scarred from many a fight. He doesn't have the visible scars, but he is a campaigner from way back. Why not join forces with him?

If AS has the 'goods' on BH, any threat from BH or et al, will mean absolutely nothing to Conyers. He will chew them up and spit them out like a old slipper.

Why have many different directions fighting a single enemy. Wouldn't it be better for the different parts with a common enemy to join to make a common focus.

Conyers has the hammer, give him the nails.

[Kelvin Mace]

128. The only threat Bev poses is

smearing innocent people and discrediting the movement by her own actions. I do not believe she is "working" for anyone, she is just a grifter who stumbled on a great way to make lots of money and get famous.

Of course, now that she is working with Freeper, anything is possible.

[Stephanie]

96. Who is Sonja Johnson?

Is that another alias? Never heard that one before.

[Jose Diablo]

98. Try googling "Sonya Johnson"

It probably means nothing, but to choose Sonya Johnson as an alias, if it is a alias, is unusual.

Sonya Johnson (14) was one of the victims in the "Hillside Strangler" case in Los Angeles during the late 70's.

Like I said, probably means nothing, but why choose that name for a alias?

Edit: Transference?

[Kelvin Mace]

142. Here is a link to the Sonja Johnson thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=341617

[Jose Diablo]

147. I keep bouncing from side to side trying to determine

If she is nuts, or is she actually working to undermine the election fraud issues.

From the descriptions of her actions, I was leaning toward she's got a loose bolt. I mean, she seriously disrupted any coordinated effort to solve the problems with the machines before the 2004 elections, even if it looked and sounded like she was nuts. But is she or is it an calculated act?

Then this about a 'Sonya Johnson' which looks like it was actually someone trying to hornswaggle money. This isn't about being nuts, this is very sane greed.

I'm leaning toward the idea that she is just an a**hole. I wouldn't put it past her to actually be in the pay of the GOP in some obscure way. Any ties to GOPUSA, I wonder. It would be good to be able to prove that conjecture though.

I bet that if there are ties, then those ties exist as ledger entries in the books of BBV. Maybe it is more than trying to hide embezzlement keeping others away from what's in those books.

I speculate though. It's like free thinking or barnstorming. Maybe true, maybe not.


Edit:Wait a minute, there it is, the payoff. It was the Qui Tam with Jim March's help. Even though the qui tam resulted in decert of diebold in California, from GOP's perspective, it didn't matter at that time. What would have been far more damaging to the GOP and voting would have been to have the voting iregularities and potential yanking of the machines all over the country. The qui tam buried these issues until it was too late to do anything about it for the 2004 election. The qui tam was her payoff. Who is this Jim March guy? And what was the PR firm she worked for at one time, any links there to the GOP machine?

[Kelvin Mace]

154. She is crazy

Classic borderline sociopath with definite bio-polar disorder.

Bev has accused me of being in the pay of The Powers of Darkness™ on numerous occasions (Diebold, the GOP, etc).

Actually, her Qui Tam did much more damage. The suit was dismissed "with prejudice" Evidence put for to prove criminal intent or at least civil tort can NEVER be brought forth again.

Jim March is a "Libertarian" gun nut who talks like a Freeper. He has made it QUITE clear he is in it for the money. He signed his posts "Happiness is a clean kill".

[eridani]

160. I don't buy the "hornswaggling money" thing

One of the big complaints about her organizing debacle around last year's election was that she sat on checks for several months. I suspect that she actually cares about the issue, but wants to be the big cheese and the face of the movement. That someone is good at publicity doesn't mean they know squat about organizing. Having an ego too big to admit any deficiency doesn't help, either.

[Kelvin Mace]

180. The reason the checks weren't cashed

is becaus she never trusted anyone else to do things like make a bank deposit and she was too lazy to do paper work.

[Jose Diablo]

99. I hope you don't mind me bringing an older thread to the front

But this one smokes:

[Kelvin Mace]

130. Not at all, I was going to dig that one up

but ya beat me to it.

Folks, if you have questions about Bev, this is the link to start with.

[ultraist]

54. Bizarre.

Why is she so obsessed with Andy? "Andy Stephenson got hold of his phone number"...jealousy, obssession...stalking..."but I think most calls probably come from Andy to Vidal, not the other way around. However, I would not find it surprising if Mr. Vidal called Andy to wish him well. Vidal is a genuinely nice person."

:crazy:

[blondeatlast]

118. I think Andy stole a lot of her thunder here.

He consistently posted threads about the research and work BBV was doing. Bev posted threads about where she's be appearing.

[MadHound]

56. Well, at least Bev's an equal opportunity grifter

But somehow I don't think she'll get very far with the freepers, since they tend to be in denial about BBV issues. After that, I think she will start to fade away. Too many people know her name and all about her shannanigans the past few years, so she's going to have a hard row to hoe, at least if she continues under her present name and MO.

Kinda funny though, in a sad, pathetic sort of way. Of course I can afford to laugh, I never donated to her. I feel sorry for those of you who did.

[SoCalDem]

62. I did not donate either..except for allowing her to use a graphic I made

I DID donate $1,200.00 for Andy though :P

[Kelvin Mace]

70. Bless you!

[Tsiyu]

73. That's the saddest part

people like my brother donated- and encouraged others to donate- only to find they had been duped by a very troubled egomaniac.

If she wasn't a Rove plant, she sold out mighty fast after the Selection. I wouldn't want to be wearing her Karma Shoes....

[merh]

81. Again thanks

:hug: You are wonderful :yourock:

[Bouncy Ball]

77. I never donated to her, either.

After election day, I was rather burned out, having spent countless hours knocking on hundreds of doors, wearing out a pair of shoes (literally) and then poll greeting for twelve hours straight on election day. In the rain.

So when all the BBV stuff got going right after the election, I wasn't in on it.

[lonestarnot]

137. Damn! I never donated, but I beat feet around town

encouraging them to visit her website for vote fraud/election fraud info! I lured them into the lions den... Charlotte's Web...Freak!

[Jose Diablo]

153. The Lady of Shalott

[lonestarnot]

157. Who dis biatch?

[elehhhhna]

183. Is she related to the Madwoman of Chaillot? (wink, giggle)

[SmokingJacket]

108. I donated.

I regret it now -- after she slimed Andy I realized there was something very, very wrong with her. But I thought BBV was an important issue and she was making the most noise about it at the time... and she was on Randi!

I wish I could have that money back to send to Andy... :cry:

[crispini]

79. Sheesh!

Well, I guess it was just a matter of time, wasn't it?

[EFerrari]

97. Bev Harris is not a plant. She's too out of control to be a plant.

At best, someone could manipulate her obvious pathology for short periods of time. But it only be a matter of time before she turned on them, too.

Remember Pigpen from "Peanuts" with all the debris swirling around him. Think Evil Pigpen, that's what these personalities are like.

I was thinking about her last night, and all the things she and the trolls she inflamed did to me, to Andy and to DU in the last three weeks.

They tried to provoke me personally in every way possible, here and in my own email box. And when I wouldn't be provoked, they tried to marginalize and discredit me. It's amazing really, all the energy that was put into that. I can only imagine what David and Andy have been through, or Skinner for that matter.

Bev Harris needs to get a grip on herself. Because I know *exactly* how her mind works and because the world is a lot smaller than she realizes.

[SoCalDem]

101. I am amazed at you all for finding this thread

I REFUSE to put FreeRepublic or freeps in a subject line.. It only attracts freepers..

I really thought there would be less than 20 replies:)

[Generator]

104. She never quits..does she???

The "Keith Olbermann smear" really burns me up. I was here every second back then-and she lies like a dog. This was the one chance at the exact opportune moment to draw attention to the issue and she SQUANDERED it and made of fool of those in the election reform business. With our one and I mean one and only positive voice in the media!!!!

As Stephanie said, the things she has said about Andy put her as one of the cruelest people I've seen in the words she uses and the actions she goes from there. How on God's green earth does she hold such a vendatta against Andy? What the hell did he ever do to her? And what could he have done to her to warrant this? I listened to a radio show after he was fired and he even REFUSED to say anything bad about her. If she REALLY cared about election reform she would have has the grace to keep her trap shut. Honestly, that's what many back then wanted US to do about her and I understood the sentiment but she is hazard to any good work.

She is the lowest of the low. And I've been thinking that besides the troll actions, poor Andy's gotten doubt by association-she stinks that bad.

Oh and I will never ever forget her boasting that George W. Bush was
"on their side" and had bought her book.

That's when I knew she was either a loon or rat.

[Boredtodeath]

106. No, she doesn't

She can't even allow Andy to get through surgery before she runs over to Freeperville to slam him some more.

You're right, she's a hazard to any good work.

[Kelvin Mace]

144. The reaons she is after Andy

is because should there ever be a criminal fraud investigation into Bev's "fund-raising" Andy will be chief witness for the preosecution.

Bev will stop at nothing to discredit him.

And as to guilt by association, there are folks around DU who don't seem to trust me because I was involved with her.

[ebayfool]

167. Wasn't the name of her old site talion.com?

The one where she peddled her 'Clinton Cigars'?

[Boredtodeath]

177. Yes

Do a newsgroup search and you'll see her spamming for the Clinton Cigars under the name of Talion.com

or here at the Way Back Machine:

http://www.waybackmachine.org/

[Kelvin Mace]

178. yes

http://web.archive.org/web/19990222150235/www.talion.com/cigar.htm

And more links here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=340188&mesg_id=340188

[NC Beach Girl]

105. Clearly, her bank account is dwindling...

...so, now it is time to try to raise funds from the freepers for a while.

I love how she now asserts that the reason she was banned from DU was because of something to do with Volusia county. Is there any doubt about her amazing ability to forget inconvenient truths and rewrite history??? Of course, it does help with her con game to claim that she's being persecuted by whatever party is not the one she's trying to raise funds from, doesn't it?

She was banned the first time because of her insane late night attack on Roxanne (a former associate) and the second time for more attacks on activists and some ridiculous threats to sue people and the Democratic Underground itself for using the letters "BBV". She then denied threatening to sue, despite the fact that it was all there in her own words. She is clearly insane or just a very bad liar (maybe both).

Actually..there was a third time she was banned when she came on under a fake name and accidentally outed herself when she started showing her tell-tale fits of insanity, but that had nothing to do with Volusia county either.


* 2nd banning official announcement from Skinner with specific reasons that everyone clearly knew about that did NOT involve VOLUSIA COUNTY is here (and he also references her first banning because of public squabbles with other activists):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x108750

* Randi Rhodes thread after Randi asked Bev what was going on
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x157626#157713

* Keith Olbermann weighs in
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008/#041201a

The only thing I can find in some of the old threads about Volusia county, Keith Olberman, and the Randi Rhodes conflict with Bev is that they were BEGGING Bev to SHOW THE TAPES that she claimed to have that proved fraud. Instead, she never showed them...they are, like her memories of being banned, conveniently forgotten. Has anyone seen these tapes? Andy verifies that the tapes exist (and that Bev DOES own them), so where are they?


Since I'm going down memory lane here with my collection of Bev's lunacy links (link finding credit goes to various posts by her former friends and associates over the last few months), here are a few others that should have warned people long ago:

* She said she'd NEVER soil herself with Qui Tam money here which is actually, in my view, one of the main reasons for all the squabbles with her old associates. She attacked many, many people and accused them of filing a Qui Tam when in reality she had already filed her suit when making these attacks on others and wanted to make sure they didn't horn in on her cash prize.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4052&forum=DCForumID70#64

* the announcement that BBV had filed a Qui Tam (hurray for blatant hypocrisy and the amazing amount of kudos for doing it!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1960084#1961673

* Her public and vicious attack of Andy Stephenson
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x160459

I can't believe there are people here that still support her...it boggles the mind. You do not have to support her to support the fight against election fraud. Her history of blatant lying, attacking others, and outright insanity is right here in the DU archives in her own words for all to see.

[Walt Starr]

107. WOW, she was a registered Freeper for nearly two years

before she blew herself up live on DU.

[Zhade]

115. Wow. That fucking lying conartist bitch has the nerve to smear Andy...

...while he's under the knife.

What a rotten waste of life Bev Harris has become.

[EFerrari]

124. We're so out of the realm of smearing: welcome to stalking.

The mess she stirred nearly got Andy turned away from the Hospital when the minions started calling the hospital and PayPal. They're harassing his support people, which makes us all less effective.

Bev and the debris she's attracting are destructive as hell, and it has real consequences for real people.

[Zhade]

135. Wow. The whore really threatened Andy's chances for surgery?

That's fucking criminal.

[EFerrari]

140. Yes, it is. n/t

[Shakespeare]

127. Once Andy has healed....

I hope he pursues legal action against Bev, because I think he's got a case on a number of fronts.

What she has done to him (leading up to the surgery) and continues to do is the lowest, scummiest, most hideous thing I've ever seen one person do.

Bev, I know you read these boards, so I'll tell you something my daddy used to say: God don't like ugly.

And you are the ugliest individual I've ever encountered.

[EFerrari]

129. "What a piece of work is Bev." n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

132. Unfortunately

Bev has the money and the lawyers.

Believe me, if I could afford it, I would drag her ass to court for libel and slander.

[EFerrari]

134. She has what money can buy. And her purse isn't bottomless. n/t

[lonestarnot]

143. Wah that Mutherfucker!

[catzies]

145. There's a line that has me rolling,it's off the unintentional comedy scale

I'm CONvinced that's a tactic for reeling in the new fish.

"I never thought I'd do the tipoff on a new story on Free Republic, but here it is:"

It's just so, well, Penthouse Forum-ish.
:rofl:

[nicknameless]

146. Some VERY INTERESTING clues into this personality type:

Check out the following book on Amazon.com:
“Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited”
by Sam Vaknin

If you then scroll down to the bottom part of the page, you’ll find a list of “So you’d like to …” links by that author. Eg: … Spot an Abuser on Your First Date; … Cope with Your Narcissistic Abuser - Part III; etc. By clicking on one of the lists, you get that info on a new page, plus numerous additional “So You’d Like To …” links on the right hand side. They’re all about the narcissistic personality disorder. They’re absolutely fascinating in a very creepy (and familiar) way.

Example below pertains, IMO, to Andy’s situation:

“So you'd like to... cope with a narcissistic stalker - part I”

The Narcissist

Feels entitled to your time, attention, admiration, and resources. Interprets every rejection as an act of aggression which leads to a narcissistic injury. Reacts with sustained rage and vindictiveness. Can turn violent because he feels omnipotent and immune to the consequences of his actions.

Best coping strategy

Make clear that you want no further contact with him and that this decision is not personal. Be firm. Do not hesitate to inform him that you hold him responsible for his stalking, bullying, and harassment and that you will take all necessary steps to protect yourself. Narcissists are cowards and easily intimidated. Luckily, they never get emotionally attached to their prey and so can move on with ease.

Other coping strategies

I. Frighten Him

Narcissists live in a state of constant rage, repressed aggression, envy and hatred. They firmly believe that everyone else is precisely like them. As a result, they are paranoid, suspicious, scared, labile, and unpredictable. Frightening the narcissist is a powerful behaviour modification tool. If sufficiently deterred – the narcissist promptly disengages, gives up everything he fought for and sometimes makes amends.

<snip>

[EFerrari]

151. I'm no expert but I'd be very, very cautious about confronting

challenging, threatening or frightening anyone who is exhibiting stalker behavior.

One expert whom I personally respect a great deal, Gavin de Becker, would tell you that any of the above simply engages them more, and can potentially escalate the threat.

These types abosulutely do get "emotionally attached" to their prey -- but as extensions of themselves. That's why they can be deadly. Your real welfare is a non-issue. You as a separate individual barely and sometmes only fleetingly exist.

Be careful.

de Becker's "The Gift of Fear" has some excellent chapters on stalkers and on coping with them. (This is not a paid advertisement :silly: )

[nicknameless]

152. Of course, disengaging is best, but not always possible.

Having grown up with a narcissist (2, actually), I know that to be the case.

Recognizing a narcissist is the first key to dealing with them -- especially their sadistic nature and absence of empathy. They don’t function in a normal fashion, because they’re abnormal (sociopaths).

When I bought his book 2 years ago, he had a list of FAQs that was a real jaw-dropper. Looking through Amazon this time, I couldn’t find it. What a shame. It was very enlightening.

I’ll check out Gavin de Becker’s book too. The more info and insights the better.

[SoCalDem]

159. and in my experience with people like that, they THINK they are victims

even as they victimize everyone around them :eyes:

[EFerrari]

171. Exactly. n/t

[nicknameless]

173. They sure do sing the song of victim, don’t they...

..as they’re twisting the knife?

But I have to wonder if that, like most all of what comes out of a narcissist’s mouth, is known by them to be untrue and only part of their PR manipulation. Being demented, but not necessarily stupid.
... Kind of like neocons pretending to be Christian, Culture-of-Life, Patriotic people. Just empty PR, because they know, of course, that the opposite is true. :eyes:

[smartvoter]

161. Someone's money's running low and needs a new source... nt

[BigTentDemocrat]

163. Who am I, and what my eyes see

I assured Skinner I would behave professionally at all times, and I intend to do this, even in the midst of a herd of buffalo.

1. WHO AM I

a) I am a person who doesn't give a damn WHO finds a smoking gun that proves election fraud, as long as someone finds it. In a previous post, all I basically posted was that I hope Bev found a smoking gun - and I was attacked with comments like "Oh, fuck off and go tell your master Bev the same." This is just plain wrong.

b) I am the person who provided detailed information to a well-known poster and personal friend of Andy's here, about the identity of the person who started all this Andyscam crap - both first and last name (unless he lied last year) as well as recent emails and an IM conversation, all meant to determine exactly who was behind this. For those who do not know, that person is this person:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom/message/518
www.anonymousarmy.com

And yes, he posts at the site we cannot name as well...as ANDYSCAM.

And no, Bev Harris had nothing to do with any of this. This guy bashes Bev just as much as the herd of buffalo do.

c) I am a person who donated $100 last year to blackboxvoting.COM, and never heard a word. I am a person who donated $250 recently to Andy. I am THE person who last year donated $250 to Bev's site, and then asked her to remove (and she complied) her statement that said the following:

"NOTE:
We are ".ORG." BlackBoxVoting".COM" is a deceptively designed site, not affiliated with Bev Harris, nor with Black Box Voting Inc."

d) I am a person who, for over 6 months, has been investigating Jeff Fisher's claims, Dr. Piotr Blass, the mysterious "sender" whose name will be revealed in a few days, and a small group of disinfo artists known as the Fablecrusaders. As soon as a "shrine" (for lack of a better word) that is dedicated to preserving all evidence collected over the past 6 months is finished, you're all invited.


2. WHAT MY EYES SEE

a) When I go to blackboxvoting.org, I see people who appear to be "doing the work." I do not see any posts bashing David Allen. I do not see any posts bashing Andy. All I see is people trying to do something about voting machines. My brain tells me this is a good thing. My heart hopes they find proof of fraud.

b) Here at DU though, it seems that whenever "her" name is mentioned, a big party turns out to rake her over the coals. Once was OK. Twice was OK. But this happens weekly, and frankly, I do not see how this helps the movement. Someone posted up above that Bev Harris destroyed the Black Box movement...

Well I'm sorry, but my eyes see something very different.

We've got people embracing Vreeland stuff bashing Bev.

We've got people embracing "Johnny Gosch is Gannon" stuff bashing Bev.

We've got people involved in the CyberNET Group stuff from last year bashing Bev.

And I don't understand. Is Bev Harris finding a smoking gun bad? Is "Johnny Gosch is Gannon" stuff good?

Last week a poster by the name of Liberty Belle posted something from BBV.org - and was immediately attacked, and accused of being a BevBot.

Is there any evidence whatsoever that Liberty Belle works for Bev? Is anyone who says anything good about the woman automatically attacked?

Is this really DU?

This thread saddens me. As I posted previously, regardless of whether people love her (Bev) or hate her, I would think that everyone would hope that someone, somewhere, would find a real smoking gun. According to Bev's comments in the OP, she has done just that. If her claim is true...

[Name removed]

164. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BigTentDemocrat]

166. You're out of line

You probably didn't even read the post.

Regardless, you're out of line. The last thing DU needs is Joe McCarthy.

[BigTentDemocrat]

169. Please explain to me why your own homepage...

Has this on the front page...

"Moreover, the electronic voting machines in NH are optical-scan, not touchscreen DRE machines. This means the ballots can be recounted by hand, and if there is rigging in the tabulator software (as previous insider documents have attested to, see Black Box Voting (.Org) for details) it will be exposed in the discrepancy between the official machine results and the hand recount."


I'm not referring people to the site. All I'm doing is defending the work, and hoping that she found a smoking gun.

[smartvoter]

165. AAHHCHOO!! Sorry. Allergic to bullshit. nt

[merh]

168. I would suggest you use the search function and investigate

that person's history on DU. Many DUers were personally attacked by her, she has threatened litigation against the admin and apparently, she used the research of many DUers to write her book and gave them no credit for their hard work.

She hurt many and trashed their trust.

I do pray someone finds the smoking gun. Bev's been promising it for quite some time now and nothing has been provided.

BTW: Ridiculing one DUer's or a group of DUers' research because you think it is less important than yours or is frivolous is just silly and in my opinion rather hypocritical given the tone of your post. What you perceive to be a smoking gun may differ from another's perspective but that doesn't make it any better.

Good luck to you in your efforts.

[salvorhardin]

172. I'm pretty sure BigTent is well aware

of Bev's history here. I am also certain that he is no "BevBot".

However, I think BigTent has a couple valid points though. Far too much time is spent here reliving old battles, and (despite the bile directed at Bev Harris) there is good research going on at BBV by people other than Bev with no outbursts of DU bashing that I am aware of.

Does that mean I believe Bev's latest "smoking gun"? No. Bev Harris is not a very technically oriented person and I've heard her make many outrageous claims. Additionally, her marketroid-speak drives me up the wall ("Activate the eagles" anyone?).

So, even considering all of that, is it really appropriate for people to react like they have in this (and other) posts, jumping on anyone who in any small way says something NOT critical of Bev Harris? She made an assertion. It's either true or false and should be easily validated or disproved. If you don't want to devote the energy to validating or disproving her claim, why would you waste it on the histrionics displayed in this thread? (I don't necessarily mean you personally merh)

Users here get their messages deleted, warned, banned or all three if they jump on a newbie calling him a troll. How is calling someone 'BevBot' any different?

On edit: Things are rarely black and white. Sometimes good people do bad things and sometimes bad people do good things. I swear, if the other site is like crack to DUers then Bev Harris must be like heroin.

[merh]

174. I agree, things are rarely black and white.

And, as I didn't call anyone any name and I only made a suggestion, wishing the poster good luck, it would seem that your post should have been directed to those that have committed the offenses you complain about. :shrug:

I want a smoking gun too and I pray someone provides it, I don't care who.

BTW - the poster I responded to was ridiculing others. That is not necessary given his purported purpose in posting, imho.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

198. I want to point out that I was not here for the whole BH controversy,

just to be clear.

I have just witnessed, as have you AND BTD, Bev Harris publicly attacking a man fighting a mortal illness who is relying on public donations to get the treatment he needs to save his life.

And that fight is not over for him, not by any measure.

This behavior doesn't put me in mind of a good person doing a bad thing.

[Boredtodeath]

175. If her claim is true...

And therein lies the problem.

Let's see, just in the last 2 weeks, she claims she has the "smoking gun" in Cook County, Illinois. Puts out a video accusing an election official of "taking money from Diebold" and that Cook County, IL is buying Diebold after paying off the elections officials.

Then, lo and behold, we find today:

After months of discussions, demonstrations and research, David Orr, County Clerk of Cook County, Illinois announced today that suburban Cook County voters will have the option of voting on either an optical scan voting system or an accessible electronic voting machine with voter verifiable paper records. Both machines will be supplied by Sequoia Voting Systems of Oakland, California.
BusinessWire

And everyone pretends Bev Harris hasn't been telling tall tales; another Bev lie down the memory hole.

But, in the meantime, elections officials in Cook County, IL have now branded all activists with the Bev Harris brush and put them all in the "enemy" camp. Because Bev Harris just HAD to get that video, which was obviously cut to make them look bad, so she could raise funds.

The fact that we won't let her lies fall into the memory hole is good for the movement. You may not hold her responsible, but we will.

Obviously, if your reputation was on the line - like ours is with our legislators - you wouldn't accept being painted with Bev Harris' broad brush of lies either.

[BigTentDemocrat]

182. Well I have a few questions

1. Is it possible that Cook County decided to go with Sequoia because of Andrade's admission, and subsequent negative reaction, that he was being paid by Diebold?

2. How can Andrade's payments from Diebold be justified?

3. Is there any evidence whatsoever that, because Bev Harris filmed a video that shows Andrade admitting to taking money from Diebold, election officials in Cook County "have now branded all activists...and put them in the "enemy" camp?


I don't understand the problem here - the guy admitted to taking money from Diebold. Period. Diebold is the enemy, just like Sequoia. I for one do not see how anyone who takes money discreetly from Diebold or any other voting machine company can be considered a voting rights activist.

[Boredtodeath]

187. And I have a few answers

Andrade was a paid lobbyist for Diebold; probably still is. And, at $20K/month, that's a mighty cheap lobbyist.

What do you base your allegation (Diebold vs. Sequoia) on? The fact that the Diebold lobbyist failed? Puuuulease! And then, you give Bev Harris credit for the switch! That's laughable.

And there IS plenty of evidence that all activists are being painted with the Bev Harris brush. Just this week, while I was researching Georgia, I was asked if I was working with "those kooks Bev Harris or Phyllis Huster" and told that "I think Phyllis Huster is confused." Elections officials in Georgia use the Bev Harris brush as a test to how cooperative they plan to be. I've encountered the same in Ohio, with relation to Bev (evidently they don't know Huster there).

Bev Harris is doing none of us any favors; just making our lives more difficult.

[BigTentDemocrat]

188. In order to have a constructive dialogue...

please don't change my words or put words in my mouth.

I said "Is it possible that Cook County decided to go with Sequoia because of Andrade's admission, and subsequent negative reaction, that he was being paid by Diebold?"

IS IT POSSIBLE...

I did not "give Bev Harris credit" as you posted above. I asked if it was possible.

So now answer one question for me - Do you think it was OK for a "voting rights activist" to receive money from Diebold?

[Boredtodeath]

189. Didn't put anything in your mouth/words

You did it yourself:

1. Is it possible that Cook County decided to go with Sequoia because of Andrade's admission, and subsequent negative reaction, that he was being paid by Diebold?

And, frankly, I didn't see any "negative reaction" to Bev's story - I saw a collective yawn.

So what was that you were saying about "constructive dialogue?"

As for anyone being paid by Diebold, or any other voting machine company, it would depend on what the funds were payment for. If there is a legal purpose, there's not a damned thing we can do about it.

All the Bev Harris pronounciations to the contrary, if the guy isn't in jail, it's probably legal. I didn't see Andrade hancuffed, nor have I read a story about his arrest.

And, frankly, rather than run to the internet with unfounded charges against the guy, why didn't Bev Harris take her "evidence" to the prosecuting attorney in Illinois instead of the web? THAT'S the damage she does - publishing charges which have no foundation in truth and are readily debunked.

If Bev Harris was truly interested in election reform, she would go to the authorities with evidence. Instead, she rushes to the internet in hopes of raising money and to attempt to rehabilitate her tarnished (at her own hand) image.

[BigTentDemocrat]

196. So you're saying the charges are false?

Andrade admitted on film that he took money from Diebold.

Are you saying this is false?

[Kelvin Mace]

191. It would depend

So now answer one question for me - Do you think it was OK for a "voting rights activist" to receive money from Diebold?

My first impulse is that I would consider it improper for any ANTI-BBV activist to take money from ANY BBV company. There might be a legit reason, but I would have to hear it.

Alas, many things that are improper and unethical are legal.

But as regards Ms. Harris, she has publicly and privately defamed just about every anti-BBV activist on the planet, including Avi Rubin, Doug Jones, Roxanne Jekot, David Dill, and many others. She has also attacked DU, democrats.com, BartCop, Keith Oberlman, and the entire Kerry campaign and Democratic party.

She has alienated reporters from AP, NYT, Wired!, WaPo and many smaller papers.

We.do.not.need.this.kind.of.help.

At the moment she is encouraging the foul slime in Freeperland to "investigate" Andy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1411407/posts?q=1&&page=126

How much hatred must live in you to get involved with these kinds of people and encourage them to do these kind of things?

[Boredtodeath]

193. And, let's not mention, that Bev Harris took Diebold money

So, I guess, we should ask Mr. Big Tent what he thinks of Bev Harris taking Diebold money, huh?

Isn't it a coincidence that the timing of the smell of Diebold money for Bev Harris and Jim March is when all the back stabbing of the activists started?

See, we can go on the internet spreading rumors, too. But the bottom line is simple - Bev Harris and Jim March are living on Diebold money.

[BigTentDemocrat]

195. Perhaps people already have

And another thing - there is a huge difference between a voting rights activist being paid thousands per month covertly from Diebold, and Diebold coughing up money in a legal settlement.

I do appreciate your candor.

[Kelvin Mace]

179. Huh???

c) I am a person who donated $100 last year to blackboxvoting.COM, and never heard a word.

When? I returned all donations (about 12) that were made during the Randi Rhodes appeal and took down our PayPal link,

PM me with details of your contribution/

As to the rest of your post, Bev has destroyed our reputation with her lies, fraud and abusive behaviour. She has found NO "smoking gun."

[BigTentDemocrat]

184. The donation had nothing to do with Randi Rhodes

I made a donation to you on the same day that I made a donation to "BBV.org," independent of any radio show, or solicitation for a donation.

[Kelvin Mace]

190. OK, now I understand.

I have just wanted to be sure this was not a wayward donation. I removed our donation link when Bev started with Randi Rhodes deal as I wanted no confusion. The purpose of our donation link was simply to help defray hosting costs.

[elehhhhna]

185. She'll find the Loch Ness Monster, THEN she'll reveal the "smoking gun"

Last stop for Bev's fundraising will be the dementia ward.

As long as she can b.s. gullible people, she'll be one busy girl.

[IdaBriggs]

197. So GLAD I posted this months ago....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=211132

:)

[autorank]

199. Wonder who is sponsoring her work. Would be interesting.

She's the "Dennis Miller" of the election fraud movement.

AMF.

[EFerrari]

202. And just like clockwork, this horrible woman shows up

in any thread, anywhere apparently, where the trolls are working their magic and she fans the flames. And has the gall to say she has nothing to do with it WHILE she's fanning the flames. (Now, that would be funny if it weren't so repugnant.)

Who do you have to be, to do something so evil. And to think I used to be neutral about her. Well, Karma is a b#tch.