The cozying up of Bill and Hillary Clinton with the Bush clan reminds me

[KlatooBNikto]

of Gore Vidal's observation that there is only one party in the U.S.,i.e. the Money Party, with two wings. So, even if we find ourselves with a Hillary Clinton as the President in 2008, don't expect anything to change either at home or abroad.This is the biggest merger in U.S. history.As usual in such mergers, the common people can expect to get shafted royally.

[mopaul]

1. what's the difference between hillary and joe lieberman?

not a joke, just askin'. i'll wait.

i really wish we had a candidate.

[Clark2008]

4. Saw a bumper sticker last week that echoed your sentiments.

It read, "If God had wanted us to vote, He would have given us candidates."

:rofl:

[punpirate]

6. You can thank Jim Hightower...

... for that one. It's the title of one of his books. :)

[Clark2008]

16. Even more to smile about because this bumper sticker

was on a pick-up truck in the South.

:7

[KlatooBNikto]

10. Hillary looks a lot better than Joe.That's all I could come up with.

[Enraged_Ape]

18. Lieberman is circumcised

Other than that, I'm at a loss. :shrug:

[Andy_Stephenson]

29. I was gonna say Lieberman has

a Dick...but then...I remembered who we were talking about.

[Mairead]

2. Yep. Chomsky calls it the Business Party. Same thing

I'm surprised that there's anyone who doesn't understand that by now. The triumph of hope over experience, I suppose.

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. Or illusion over reality...

(n/t)

[FourStarDemocrat]

3. Bill Clinton is just being a diplomat. Plus he's enjoying his status as

an ex-President. His interests and activities ie. AIDs funding show that he has a high degree of integrity. Plus he worked hard for the Kerry campaign, even doing events during his recovery from surgery. I don't agree with your assessment.

[ElectroPrincess]

9. What are you smoking?

Bill Clinton is a consummate politician. Therefore, he lacks integrity almost by definition. Yes, I agree with Michael Moore (and pray he's not attacked because of that idiot Beck), "Bill Clinton was one of the best Republican Presidents we have enjoyed in the USA."

Very few politicians have the integrity and character that has been lauded as "Profiles in Courage."

[FourStarDemocrat]

38. Sorry, don't agree. n/t

[ElectroPrincess]

40. That's OK ... You're still * * * * (Four Stars) with me. :-) /eom

[FourStarDemocrat]

43. aww..thanks.. :-)

:hi: :hug:

[rooboy]

15. Diplomats smile and shake your hand. They don't sleep over. n/t

[KlatooBNikto]

28. Or under.

[journalist3072]

42. A sane voice! Thank you!

You know, we are making too much of this whole Bush/Clinton relationship. Let it go!

[ElectroPrincess]

5. As you term us "common people" ...

Those who are in a complacency coma best "wake the f--k up" and SOON! The propaganda that is spewing from the Cable TV corporate media is astounding and completely unchallenged.

I'm afraid for our country - specifically those of us in the working and middle classes. :scared:

My suggestion: Vote out our DINOs! Even if we have to suffer in the short term with a Republican, it WILL MAKE the leadership of the Democratic Party *finally* serve it's base = the working men and women in America.

[KlatooBNikto]

7. Haven't you heard that they have exported out "working men and women"

of America, now that species is facing extinction?

[Disturbed]

8. working men and women in America.

Didn't you get the memo? Those folk are expendible. Outsourcing, Insourcing, Relocation of Mfg. The great concept of Globalization.

[Spinzonner]

11. Wonder if he'll be invited into Carlyle

[xultar]

12. Keep your friends close and your

enemy closer. too bad as dems we are too self righteous too remember that

[ElectroPrincess]

24. Naw, some of us Dems may be snobs but self-righteous - No Way!

And there's no group MORE self-righteous than the Jesus Freaks of the Republican Religious Right Wing. :P Can you give me an *AMEN* brothers and sisters? :spray:

Bill and Hil are *all for* ... Well, Bill and Hil are for THEMSELVES and their own PERSONAL best interests. But no, I'm not picking on them in particular. They're no better or worse than the average Republican-Lite politician. :patriot:

[xultar]

31. AMEN! Can you GIVE ME AN AMEN! JESUS IS LISTEN'IN!

:rofl:

[ElectroPrincess]

36. Yeah, I get your point ...

I've had the misfortune of being around a few (not many) ultra-arrogant Democratic Folk. I love intellectuals, don't get me wrong for I did earn a Masters Degree. It's just that sometimes people feel a need for one ups man ship with regard to grammar and/or knowledge base. No matter how intelligent and suave a person may be, when they put themselves on display ... "it ain't purdy." LOL

We do need to attempt to respect intelligent people who may not have had the opportunity to attend college. Many non-racist rednecks are highly respectable people who are fun to spend time with ... IMO we need to genuinely befriend them - get our message out to the everyday hard working people.

[Itsthetruth]

37. Should We Go To Bed With Them?

""Keep your friends close and your enemy closer. too bad as dems we are too self righteous too remember that"

Does that mean we should go to bed with them and let them screw us?

[dbt]

13. The BFEE tried to take Clinton down every day for 9 years.

Bill knows that. Short of a lobotomy along with his heart surgery, there's no way he can have forgotten his treatment at the hands (claws? tentacles?) of the Bush family. The buddying-up of late leaves me puzzled, just this side of writing him off.

What's behind his newfound comfort with his mortal enemies? It's either money or power, although there are those who would say they're the same thing.

:freak:

Edit: must learn Math.

[KlatooBNikto]

14. May be the Stockholm Syndrome at work?

[DemonFighterLives]

22. I agree, it is sickening

I have this itchy feeling that the Mena drub running operation or some aspects of the Oklahoma City bombing have connected these two disparate individuals.
I feel bad for Bill and all Democrats. Hope he heals up or has a secret plan to pull down the applecart.

[pretzel4gore]

23. maybe it's contempt

say all you can about clinton, the bottom line was that he served the general interest, despite constant harasment by the shit machine (the gop)....somehow, bill never came off as too idealistic, rather someone who made best outta bad situation...if anyone recalls clinton from before his rise to prominence, his main asset was that he seemed to work very hard w/out any noticable effort...clinton has seen what happened, how outright falsehood succeed over less blatant falsehood, with the common interest losing every day and maybe he thinks there's just no fighting it.....the poor will vote for misery, the blacks vote for police state slavery, the liberals for biker brutes, the christians for moral and sexual perverts, the peacelovers for ted bundy conmen, the workers for mcjobs, the rich for ponzi schemers who'll impoverish them and so on....
the ancient greeks used to say 'men learn by suffering' and face it, the american people have had it too good for generations (the merdiawhores at any rate)

[Ron Green]

35. Brilliant. I like this post very much. n/t

[xchrom]

17. the great enemy of american society is corporatism.

the problem -- i guess as i see it -- folks like the clintons pass it off as benign or centrist.
it isn't.

it's devolving all power from the people to the monied classes -- or more specific to corporations.

it's very hard to explain this to people who are ''comfortable'' with the corporate landscape -- if not impossible.
unless of course they wind up downsized.

even the religous right are manipulated by these folk.
they are the easily manipulated ''virtuous citizen''.

[KlatooBNikto]

19. I agree with you that corporations have made Americans meek and

docile and subservient.The fact that they have so much power over all of us makes them virtually a parallel government accountable to no one. The Clintons have recognized this and may be they have decided to join rather than fight.

[Deja Q]

20. And Gore Videl has kissed more guys than I ever will.

:cry:

Still, I'm as much right as you are, and the Clintons' sucking up to *co is disgusting.

And Billy boy seems to have forgotton his own past: No good deed goes unpunished. He helped the bushies with NAFTA, DOMA, DMCA, and lots of others and they repaid him in kind.

If he thinks sucking up will help, he'll be mistaken. Just as Governor Groper asked * for money in California, got denied, then told the public that * will still help him. :crazy:

[Q]

25. Vidal called it the 'BanksParty'...

...in the 'Second American Revolution'. A very good read if you can find it.

[earth mom]

26. You got that right!

What's the saying.? If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...why it IS a duck! :thumbsdown:

Oh and not to mention, Bill & Hillarys' association with the BFEE is a blatant attempt to give the BFEE credibility and approval on the dem side and to give the Clintons credibility and approval on the rethug side. How does what they're doing help the democratic party in ANY way? All the Clintons have consistently done is please their corporate masters-what the public thinks and cares about no longer matters. It's beyond obvious. :puke:

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Bill is trying to reassure the Bushes that Hillary wont prosecute *

for war crimes if she is elected Prez. The Bush cabal and their Carlyle Group bosses can play a big part in deciding which Dem gets nominated through election fraud and dirty tricks. Big Bill is earning their trust so they wont shoot Hillary out of the water should she decide to run.

[spindoctor]

30. If anybody remembers the Bonzo Dog Doo Da Band

They had a song about election day. Their thesis was "no matter who you vote for, the government always gets in"

I don't care what the Clintons do in their spare time, or who they associate with. I do hope however that this uncoveted relationship means that Ms. Clinton has no aspirations for 2008.

[LSdemocrat]

32. Bill wants to be friends with everyone

Bill doesn't take politics personally. Why the heck do people assume that everyone has some sort of ulterior motive. Is it that unconceivable that prominent Democrats and Republicans could be both good friends and strong partisans?

[KlatooBNikto]

34. I think he likes Belinda Stronach better than Bush Sr. Now that the

impeachment threat for BJ's is lifted, he can indulge his favorite pastime to the fullest.

[Lannes]

33. Clinton and the elder Bush working together on Tsunami relief

Is fine with me but that is no excuse for him not being more involved with the fillibuster crisis.He can talk about the rethugs as a party without criticizing a sitting President.

[Andromeda]

39. Strongly disagree.

Do you have a crystal ball or do you summon the spirits?

This is just more the same old whining from the far left groups about the Clintons.

[CoffeeAnnan]

41. When the evidence is staring at you in the face why do I need a crystal

ball?If you look at Mrs.Clinton's voting record after 9/11 and the War on Iraq,it should send a clear signal of collusion.And Bill's recent trip to Denmark where he praised the situation in Iraq and said it would lead to democracy throughout the Middle East should send a reminder to everyone what these opportunists stand for and, that is exactly nothing.Combine that with their near total silence on the WMD issue and their support for Blair, and you have a total picture.Your ignorant post stinks to high heavens.