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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:52 PM
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Neocons: Sith or Vogons?
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http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=938

Neocons: Sith or Vogons?

There has been plenty of talk this week comparing the Bush administration to the Sith of Star Wars due to the manner in which Bush has used an unnecessary war to strike at the very foundations of democracy in this country. Lines such as that "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" or "If you're not with me, you're my enemy!" further remind us of our current government.

Today's interview with Richard Perle and Wesley Clark on CNN provided evidence that perhaps we should look at an additional alien race as models for the neoconservatives--the Vogons of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Vogons composed the bulk of the galactic bureaucracy and are described as "one of the most unpleasant races in the galaxy. Not actually evil, but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous. They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. The best way to get a drink out of a Vogon is stick your finger down his throat, and the best way to irritate him is to feed his grandmother to the ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal."

While Clark argued that going into Iraq was a "strategic blunder" and showed how the intelligence was misused, Perle provided yet in another in the long list of reasons for going to war, failing to provide the proper paperwork after destroying the weapons of mass destruction. "The fact is if Saddam Hussein had documented the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction, the war would not have taken place."

So there we have it. Saddam's crime, for which we rushed to war, was that the proper paperwork had not been completed to document the destruction of the weapons of mass destruction. Anywhere other than on the Bizzaro World we know as Bushworld, actual evidence of being threatened by WMD would have been the standard for deciding whether to go to war.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:54 PM
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1. at least Vogons appreciated poetry
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:54 PM
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2. But it was very bad poetry. n/t
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:15 PM
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8. Perhaps, but the thought of
*'s small intestine jumping up his neck to throttle his brain, therefore saving civilization, is somehow a really really cheery thought! :P
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:00 PM
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3. Please, the latest Zogby poll asked Harry Potter questions.
Which Hogwarts school did I think I belonged in? George Bush? Hillary? (Ravensclaw, Slytherin, Gryffindor)
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:02 PM
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4. But in the books, the Vogons are only subcontractors.
They are hired by the psychoanalysts.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:04 PM
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5. So do we have a new conspiracy theory here? n/t
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:21 PM
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9. L Ron Hubbard believed the psychoanalysts were the root of all evil.
Of course, he was usng psychoanalysts as code for jews and homosexuals, so it's a conspiracy theory I'll be steering well clear of.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:26 PM
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10. Is that really what he meant?
I never paid much attention to Hubbard, but of course have come across some on him and Dyanetics.

I had no idea that he was intending his attacks to be against jews and homosexuals. Is this a fairly well accepted view on this?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:30 PM
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12. Of course!
L Ron did not believe in homosexuality - he thought it was "caused" by certain factors, including by analysts, and could be "cured" similarly. The analysts, in a lot of his writing, are Jewish.

But his attacks aren't limited there. Scientology represents a horrific assault on mankind, one that really has to be stopped.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:34 PM
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13. Psychiatrists disagree
Conservatives might also be after Psychiatrists after their recent act in support of gay marriage:

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=937
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:38 PM
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14. Good heavens, I hope I didn't give the suggestion
that I was attempting to vest any of those opinions with a shred of my own belief; it's all bullshit.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:40 PM
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15. No, I meant disagreed with Hubbard, not you n/t
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:08 PM
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6. The ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
In case you didn't bother to look it up on the link supplied with the post at LUTD:

The ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal is a creature that hails from the planet of Traal, and will eat anything. If you are to encounter one, the Guide tells you that it's impossible to slay, so you should wrap a towel around your head. This creature is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it assumes that if YOU can't see IT, then IT can't see YOU.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:12 PM
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7. Don't diss the Sith or the Vogons like that.
Neocons are toddlers.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:28 PM
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11. Maybe some overlap
Looking at the definition of Vogons, "but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous" some might apply parts of this to toddlers, especially after a night with little sleep.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:56 PM
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16. Death Eaters. (n/t)
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