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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 04:20 AM
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NEOCONS are the cancer that will kill the Republican party
Edited on Sun May-22-05 05:01 AM by iconoclastNYC
Everyone knows this.

It will open up a huge opportunity.

What are the Democrats going to do for humanity when the Republican Party is split and the real liberals take the party back from the stealth Republican DLC infiltrators.

Think of it as The New Deal II.

What would be the intenteded results of the the next wave of historic liberal domestic reform? I can think of many exciting things. Universal Health care, Living wage, military sized budget increases for education.


The Republican coalition will be destroyed by the new people-powered Internet enabled activist Left. And thhe death of the Republican party shall serve as the pretext for the new ambitions liberal agenda. The death of the Republican party will give the left the political capital to set our country back on track.

Think of it as the Enronization of the Republican party. It's happenign all around us. The rise of Arthur Anderson style election auditing and the rise of the the Republican governement takeover is not a coincidence. Numbers don't lie.

Thier party leadership is unifying the far right and the far left. The partisan divide will errode once the cancer is exposed. The rats will jump ship. Eventually the legacy of the Republican party will smear it beyond repair.

I would bet big money that we see the death of the Republican party in our lifetime. It will be split and the surviving components will all get different brands. Think AT&T "Ma Bell" and the baby bells.

The net result will be the next 40 years of liberal rule.

So what would DU readers like to see in the liberal Marshall plan FOR AMERICA?

I'm thinking 911 Truth Commission, maybe we'd turn back to our european alies in that persuit. Then once the most dangerous people are in jail or at large we can take a serious look at how Elections work. Around this time I think Eliot Spitzer will be President.

And to the naysayers.....dare to dream -- its as American as Apple Pie
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 05:09 AM
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1. I was thinking that our present situation
parallels that which led to the rise of the progressive movement in the early 1900s. I just hope that we all don't go back to working in the factories for less than 15 cents an hour before the pendulum swings on them.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 05:42 AM
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2. You are way too optimistic
I don't care how bad the neocons screw things up. There are about 50 million voting evangelicals and fundamentalists, mainly in the South but incrasingly in other places as well, who will NEVER vote for a Democrat. I don't care how bad things get.

In their mind, voting Democrat is equated with losing one's salvation. There would have to be a third party or the Democrats would have to change their name and drop their stand on certain social issues.

Perhaps being in Texas, I am too pessimistic, but I can almost guarantee you the Democrats will never elect another candidate statewide in this state.

Furthermore, even outside Jesusland, the era of honest elections is over. Our choices are being severely circumscribed. Wait until the GOP increases its majority under conditions of a full-blown economic depression. Then maybe people will realize the elections are rigged.

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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:12 AM
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4. Thank you for responding.
I value your feedback.

First I say there is no such thing as too much optomism. It is wholely positive. Pesimism on the other hand demotivates the spirit.

Second point is that Die hard fundies dont have to vote Dem to help our country.

They can go back to not voting. Like most of them did before Pat Robertson used the pulpit to wake them up and bring them to the polls.

All we need to do is get them to disengage.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:04 AM
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3. Real news coverage, pay off the national debt, so other countries don't
take over our country - without firing a shot.

I don't know what could be done about the trade deficit, but at least try to fix it.

Become world leader in energy saving products/innovations (Clinton said this would be the next phase of growing the American economy..paraphrase) The opportunity seems to have been
lost- re: GM. Maybe a Democratic government would at least let us catch up.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 11:49 AM
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15. That debt is --> funnelling public wealth into elitist corporate pockets.
The corporacrats get rich while Americans get nothing,...but debt and economic insecurity/destability/destruction!!!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:26 AM
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5. A positive fix
Then corporate personhood will be ended, and rights restored to
individuals. The ripple effect of this single act, would restore
decency to the whole country.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:50 AM
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6. Soon, in the future,
we will have to impeach judges if we are going to have a progressive America. We will have to cite that the republicans broke Senate rules in getting them their seats in order to accomplish it. Otherwise, there won't be any progressive agenda or laws (as they can be struck down by conservatives in court challenges). The judgeships are about lasting total power.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:13 AM
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7. Well, Chicago streets bear banners for a NEOCON trade fair
I witnessed this myself last Thursday, having driven down from Wisconsin to submit a visa application at the Chinese consulate.

Every lamp post in the neighborhoods around Ohio and State streets bore two banners with huge letters spelling NEOCON and tiny letters spelling out world trade fair.

The neocons seem to be alive and well and meeting in Chicago.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:19 AM
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9. that's a trade fair for product designers
Edited on Sun May-22-05 07:20 AM by thebigidea
though the neocons did originate in Chicago, they aren't plotting the empire through a series of trade fairs.

though it makes me kind of wish I still lived there, I could've snapped some pics - think of the photoshop possibilities!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 11:36 AM
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14. Well, my point is that "NEOCON" was emblazoned all over the streets
While Leo Strauss and other University of Chicago faculty and alum may be high profiled in the movement the neocons have other centers of support, for example, the Bradley Foundation of Milwaukee funded the start up of the Project for the New American Century.

Regarding empire plotting through trade fairs, Bush's National Security Strategy, which is almost a verbatim copying of neocon documents suggests that the US seeks unchallengable global economic hegemony as well as military hegemony. Neocon sponsored trade fairs seem a reasonable tactic within that broader mission.

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:20 PM
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16. er, no.
Edited on Sun May-22-05 12:27 PM by thebigidea
When NeoCon, (The National Exposition of Contract Furnishings), debuted in 1969, 750 exhibitors filled the 222,000 square feet of space in The Merchandise Mart. In 2002, over 1,000 exhibiting manufacturers of commercial and residential furnishings flocked to The Merchandise Mart to claim a showroom within the 1 million square feet of available space. In recent years the show has expanded to Baltimore, LA and Canada due to it's tremendus success and each year, over 40,000 people come to Chicago to attend NeoCon. The grand scale of this event is what makes it both memorable and successful.

NeoCon is now considered the largest trade show of its kind in North America. Complete with 1,200 showrooms and exhibits, NeoCon offers a unique combination of residential and commercial furnishings in one convenient location. Professional designers and architects can journey from product seminars and special events to furniture exhibits with ease. A demand for the NeoCon World's Trade Fair will continue as various emerging commercial industries grow and transform.

What will you see?

Thousands of innovative products and resources for Office, Hospitality, Health Care, Retail, Government, Institutional and Residential interiors from more than 1,200 showrooms and exhibitors, including:

• Architectural Products
• Artwork & Accessories
• Buildings Products & Services
• Fabric
• Floorcoverings
• Furnishings
• Kitchen & Bath
• Lighting
• Outdoor Furniture
• Stone & Tile
• Sustainable Design Products
• Technology
• Textiles
• Wallcoverings


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are you actually arguing that Richard Perle is working through residential and commercial furnishings? That Bill Kristol is behind new breeds of uncomfortable Eurofurniture?

Its just a goofy coincidence, worth a chuckle or two.

my dad used to go to these things - he's a hardcore Democrat with not the slightest tinge of hegemonic ambitions. It has absolutely nothing to do with Strauss or neoconservatives. Its architects, engineers, and designers.

There's also a science fiction convention called NeoCon. They don't plot control of Middle East oil reserves to my knowledge.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:14 AM
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8. Just hope they don't take the rest of the country and the world with them.
Edited on Sun May-22-05 07:15 AM by baldguy
Fascists don't give up power without violence.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:20 AM
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10. We have to start calling it what it is McCarthy-istic,elitist, misanthrope
Edited on Sun May-22-05 07:22 AM by orpupilofnature57
reasoning, bankrolled by industrialists. Jefferson warned us in 1804 paper on corporate interest creeping into power.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:45 AM
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11. We are seeing the endgame of the Extreme- Conservative MOVEMENT
that began in the 60s and 70s in reaction to the anti-war, civil-rights and feminist movements. It is an actual MOVEMENT, a long time in the making, well financed, well organized and orchestrated. It's purpose is to control our country and the world thru politics, religion, corporatization, by controlling the minds of the citizens. The only branch of gov't that is not wholly controlled by the Extremists is the courts...and that will happen with the nuclear option next week. Look how many different groups effectively joined together in the extreme-conservative movement: theocrats, corporations and American-Imperialists, etc

My hope is that we are in the beginning of the Progressive MOVEMENT that will counteract the extreme-conservative one...but, we tend to be so idealistic, and so passionate, and so fractured that we tend to reject being organized and having long-range goals of "taking over America." Just the thought of taking over the country with our Progressivism seems to us anti-American and anti-individual...but, we'd better start thinking the same way the conservatives do...organizing and planning for the future.

If you want to reallly understand the conservative movement that turned extreme, and how all the different names you hear mentioned around the conservatives inter-connect, please read David Brock's Blinded by the Right. It's not boring at all; it's fascinating, easy to read, and connects all the dots.


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 10:39 AM
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12. A couple of dozen people control the neocon RW "movement"
that is their 'grassroots'. Once they (and their media propagandists) become marginalized, retired, or indicted....there goes the movement.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 10:44 AM
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13. And to the naysayers.....dare to dream ...but alas it is only a dream
:shrug: Tell your dream to the twelve year old Ah-nold worshipper. Violence is America and America wallows in it.
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