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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:52 AM
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Galloway reminds us how Utterly Useless the 'Opposition Party' is
democratic leaders? maybe a tiny handful are, but the ones i've seen lately are so impotent and invisible they might as well join em', cause they sure as hell can't beat em'.

levin, take a long hike on a short pier. biden, get a spinal transplant. daschle? don't even mention daschle to me.

immediately after i stopped cheering at galloway's gaul, i fell into depression thinking about our deaf and dumb democratic 'leaders'
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:56 AM
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1. With the exception of Boxer, Byrd, Obey, Kucinich, Kennedy, Conyers,...
,...Jackson-Lee, among others. We DO have several heavy-hitting, strong Democrats. The media avoids them though.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:57 AM
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2. thanks for naming the good ones
and there are good ones.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:03 AM
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3. Add McKinney, Slaughter, and Dayton....
Ron Paul and Sanders for a principled R and an indy. Thats about it. Waxman maybe...

Other than that, Galloway has exposed the FALSE OPPOSITION for what it is. Bullshit theater to exhaust our spirit and corral/diffuse dissent.

We are being sold out.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:32 AM
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9. Yep. I'm sure we're still missing others.
Galloway was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. Note, however, that, once it was clear he was going to let loose the truth, the hearing was cut short. By this time next week, he won't even exist in the minds of most Americans because the corporate-government controlled media will bury him.

I think it's a mistake to point fingers at anyone other than the neoCONs and corporacrat predators. They are the thugs, the criminals, the aggressors who are directly responsible for dragging this country down to its lowest common denominator.

It's going to require a gathering force of people and journalists and whistle-blowers and former military/intelligence/diplomats and representatives to change the corporate-controlled course.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:39 AM
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11. True, but
Edited on Wed May-18-05 07:40 AM by TornadoTN
It has to start somewhere, and it has: here on the ground, in the communities throughout the country. People like you and I who are concerned with the direction this country is headed and see this Neocon charade for what it is. But we have to have a voice in the government. Right now, I honestly do not put much faith in anyone in our leadership to stand up and say the things that need to be said or do the things that need to be done to change the course of our country.

There is enough room for multiple parties and ideologies, I will even say there is room for true conservatives. But there is no room for the Neocon movement and it is astounding to see how this fringe group turned into a massive movement. We did nothing to check their rise to power, we just ignored them or compromised with them, selling our souls just on the chance that their "base" would give us a chance. We all know what happened and we all know that the Neocon base would never support an ideology based on logic and principle.

It's time we start looking for a strong voice and not a voice that is going to bow down to the prevailing political wind of the moment.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:48 AM
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13. I understand your perspective. I'm sayin' we must choose our enemies,...
Edited on Wed May-18-05 07:53 AM by Just Me
,...carefully. In this environment, I reject demonizing anyone other than the neoCONs. I have no problem disagreeing, even getting really upset at individuals' particular actions (i.e. Biden on Galloway). However, I believe the defeat of the neoCONs requires me to be tolerant of others outside the neoCON circle.

The neoCON circle is the target. Those who in any small way aim at that same target are working to rid us all of these extremists.

IOW it took the neoCONs 35+ years to drag us to where we are today. I am willing to invest the same and even more long-term investment in moving our country towards another path.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:58 AM
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17. Understood
I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is not a battle that will be won overnight. The real enemy is the NeoCons. I know many Republicans here in Tennessee that have always been straight party line voters. But over the past 4 years, their enthusiasm for their party has turned to embarrassment, yet they still vote for the Republicans "because their family has always been Republicans". We have to change the tone of the party and be vocal about the space that we have under our "big tent" for people of all beliefs and values.

I didn't mean to come across as vilifying our leadership, but I believe all of us here are sick and tired of some of them playing both sides of the aisle in an effort to look like they are compromising. Thats our number one mistake. We have to forget about the compromise with the Neocons. It's about time we treat this seriously instead of waiting for the next election cycle to become vocal, because by then its already too late.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:20 AM
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5. Galloway is not like them
He is a socialist.

And he is willing to go to great lengths to further his cause.

And whereas Galloway fit in with the Labour Party until the Iraq invasion, he would not have been welcome in the Democratic Party to begin with... just as Bernie Sanders isn't.

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:26 AM
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6. Huh? In case you haven't noticed, Sanders (Ind) IS recieving Dem support.
However the appeasment/complicit/co-conspiritor party is meant to take a dive. Thgey are selling us out and are party by silence to this treason.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:12 AM
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21. No, Dems are getting Sanders' support.
Although I agree with the rest of your assesment. Dems have abdicated their roles as leaders AND representatives through their policy of "triangulation"-- defining oneself in relation to another party.

Democrats would never work to elect an avowed socialist like Sanders. The "Big Tent" only extends rightward when it comes to economics.

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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:44 PM
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25. No doubt!
My sentiments exactly.
MP Galloway was absolutely incredible. He has me all fired up again. I love it. We need more Senators with balls like that, instead of ones that just reinforce the lie in another way. I do love Bernie though for his attacks on the media and he really does vote his conscience, and yes he is widely accepted by democrats.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:05 AM
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20. key word is "Leaders"
I know there are some courageous Dems. though very few. It is the so called leadership that is lacking. Pelosi and Reid are pretty useless in that respect. They also are the ones most likely to get airtime which sucks.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:04 AM
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4. The very fact that Galloways performance yesterday...
...is such a big deal to us proves how worthless the Dems are as an Opposition Party.

Diogenes on Capitol Hill

Have NONE of you any SHAME?




***(Small Handful of Dems and Bernie Sanders excepted)
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:28 AM
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7. You have a point
Edited on Wed May-18-05 07:30 AM by TornadoTN
I have been thinking about Galloways appearance and his rousing performance, and it really strikes a nerve with me that we don't have leadership with any type of backbone to stand up to the majority power that is awash in corruption. I wonder, are some of our leaders bathing in the same corrupt water that the NeoCons are using? In short, yes.

Don't get me wrong, I know we have some excellent men and women in the Democratic party, but they are not front and center. We have become too afraid to be a dissenting party, a true opposition party. It's all about compromise or "playing nice" with the Republicans in our play book, but theirs is nothing short of facist. Simply: Divide and Conquer.

I'm getting frustrated with our lack of backbone from the ones who prominently speak for us. We end up fighting each other more than fighting our enemy, and make no mistake, they are the enemy. They are the enemy to our very way of life here in the United States. The Republican party went from being a somewhat-civil party of noble ideals (even though we don't agree with them, at least there was debate) to one hell-bent on forcing a pseudo-theocratic agenda on the country and giving rise to the "ownership society".
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:31 AM
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8. We have maybe 6-8 genuine fighters for truth. None of which
get the backing or support of the party. There you are. Complicit in their silence, the false opposition are meant to take a dive -or take it up the ass.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:39 AM
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10. It's hard to oppose what you agree with. Our"representatives" are rich
elitists who thoroughly approve of the actions of their Fuhrer. Mo money for them!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:45 AM
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12. I wonder if it caused any of them
a tinge of shame to watch someone actually take the thugs on.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:49 AM
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14. Probably.
However, shame never makes a coward stronger. It only makes them more cowardly.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:52 AM
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16. Yep. True!
:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:02 AM
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19. There is a scene in the
movie BraveHeart that comes to mind .... no small coincidence, as the Galloway clans are related to the House of Bruce in Scotland, as was the real William Wallace. And the narrator of the movie, which is based in large part on real history, is of the Bruces. He is a cowardly man (although the scenes of him "betraying" Wallace are fiction)who doesn't become brave by appeals to his sense of shame. Rather, it is his dormant since of pride which is appealed to, making the difference. We may get farther by a positive approach to Galloway's enormously powerful presentation, and appealing to our congressional "leader's" sense of pride, than by shaming them.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:51 AM
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15. G_j, Your signature picture/graphic says it all.
Edited on Wed May-18-05 07:51 AM by Al-CIAda
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:59 AM
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18. We have no 'Opposition Party' in America. Only an illusion of one
And too many fall for this illusion.

Don

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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:25 AM
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23. As I often say: Inner Party / Outer Party
The Outer Party is now being 'disciplined' for straying too far. But the power to do this doesn't come from the Republican Party-- It comes from the corporatists that installed them in office.

It reminds me of Soviet Communism, only the other way round.

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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:19 AM
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22. Bingo!
The democratic leaders are a bunch of spineless wimps.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:29 PM
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24. .
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