Is it just me, or does this feel like a tide that's turning?

[jazzjunkysue]

For better or worse, I feel like everything is about to hit the fan: Nucular option, Fundi insanity is reaching saturation, Bush's numbers are tanking, all of Bush's proposals are blowing up in his face, Iraq is in civil war, Condi's trying to back out of Iraq, the Senate has backed itself into a corner and doesn't have the votes to win, and can't retrerat, the news is finally turning on Commander Cuckoo Bananas faster than he can control it...

The US is finally getting it that these people are bankrupting the country and their ideology is insane. I think we're reaching critical mass.

Last night Molly Ivans was agreeing that people are catching on that Iraq was a total lie and their families were hoodwinked. I think we're about done with 9/11 retribution and want our old lives back. This all feels like sanity is starting to win over lunacy.

Anyone else?

[route_66]

1. Keith Olbermann just asked for Scotties resignation

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

[Blue_In_AK]

12. Good one, Keith.

Thanks and welcome, Route_66.

[Anywho6]

31. "The Newsweek story 'has done damage to our image abroad'"

Yes, the comment by Scott made me laugh out loud. Oh, we were looking so darn good before that damn article came out! "Those bastards!" Until that article, everyone respected us so much! They prayed they too could be a criminal, heartless, negligent, hate-filled, fat, arrogant, selfish country and now...

[goclark]

39. Is Scottie a friend of Gannon's?

Who the hell is he to talk about damage to the reputation of America!

[oxbow]

43. He did let baldo into the white house again and again

maybe they're butt buddies.
eww...

[Skittles]

68. see that's the way I saw it, Anywho6

I think bush inc is pushing its luck with this patent absurdity. It is quite obvious they are going off the deep end.

[SmokingJacket]

63. That's fantastic!!!

Love the fox news = screens from 1984 bit.

[B Calm]

2. For the USA, I hope you're right...

[Aristus]

3. I'm not holding my breath.

I can't count how many times I felt like "the tide was turning" in the final year or so of B*sh's first term. I thought even the cud-chewing brain-dead sheeple of the United States would be getting tired of the Chimpster's lies and deceit. Instead, they voted him in for four more years of the same.

The age of America as a beacon of freedom, liberty and reason in the world has passed. America is dead.

No one was at the funeral. 'American Idol' was on TV.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Same here

[BamaBecky]

53. Me either - Geeze My Fundy relatives are as Bushy as ever! n/t

[havocmom]

4. Tide always goes out before the tsunami

That is what worries me.

[Kool Kitty]

34. That's kinda what I've been thinking, too.

the turning of the tide means we're going to be swamped. I am seriously getting scared. Look at what's happened in this country since November, 2004.

[Protagoras]

67. Yep...this is them when they're confident...

when it gets really scary is when they feel threatened. Right now they're still concerned about PR at some level...but I fear that like all despots, when they feel really challenged they'll engage in open brutality.

Welcome to Uzbekistan?

[carpetbagger]

40. Ditto.

I've predicted Bush goes to 65% and we're in, or headed to, Iran before the midterms. It's a "Summer of 1914" feeling, that all it takes is one trigger to set the ball in motion, something as simple as a suicide bomber on an American street, an Israeli airstrike, or the death of Ayatollah Sistani.

[tinrobot]

5. Next week might be key...

If we can hold firm on the filibuster, I might be willing to think we can turn this...

[BillZBubb]

6. I wish I shared your enthusiasm

I think we are still in a 50%-50% country. The Pukes poll numbers may be down, but come election time, the sheeple will flock back. They'll find an excuse.

To me, the most telling thing is that it has now been proven beyond any doubt that Bush lied to get us into the war, yet he still gets high favorables on a personal level. The sheeple, some of them anyway, may be unhappy with the way things are going, but have not made the necessary connection to Bush's lack of character and immorality. Until that happens, you can forget the "Happy Days are Here Again" melody.

[Botany]

7. This too. MSM coverage of the stolen election.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x369757


Bet ya Karl is working overtime tonight .....I wonder what story he
will produce to distract us with .... it is coming ......


BTW for the people from Rove's office reading this .... FUCK YOU!
I want my country back!

[bleever]

19. I know Botany. Botany is a friend of mine. I've served with Botany.

And what Botany meant to say to you folks in Rove's office was really:

FUCK YOU! We're taking our country back!

And you KNOW it.

[thecai]

8. Yes, A Tide Is Turning...

...malfeasance and abuse of powers/authority being exposed DAILY, the corrupt will be held accountable, true Americans are taking back our Sweet Land of Liberty.
It's ALL GOOD!:bounce:

[shadowknows69]

10. Remember,

this is also when they are at their most dangerous. if these lunatics are as power mad as they appear then it will be hell on earth moving them out.

[thecai]

14. You're Right...

...but we are stronger, wiser, and we are onto them.
So when B**h declares another "terrorist alert", keep in mind he's a liar simply trying to cover his arse. He pulls that red herring out of the water every time...

[jazzjunkysue]

69. ...and it's name is Galloway

[gumby]

9. I feel that the tide is turning

into a tsunami that is just about to drown the entire world.

Maybe not with water, but with nuclear bombs and nuclear fallout. The desecration of Depleted Uranium unleashed in Iraq will effect the entire world, and that's just the beginning. Wait until we attack Iran. That will most certainly happen before Russia supplies Iran's reactors that is supposed to happen this summer.

Israel and the US will bomb Iran before their reactors are stocked, because if they attack them after they are "armed," it would be worse than Chernobyl.

The tide is indeed turning........ and it may indeed drown us all.

[Tux]

23. My fear

Is that the fundies would be so angry at the rest of humanity for not being fundies that they'll have Bush launch our nuclear arsenal to kill off "immoral" people just so they can fulfill so book's end of the world prophesy. They have to be stopped for the future of life on Earth. Just look at how evangelicals refuse to help environmentalists, call them immoral, and claim it's a sign that Jesus is returning.

[jojo54]

11. I think it could be turning

Things aren't going well in Iraq, the American people know it, now Commander Koo-Koo Bananas want another 82mil for the "war" and I get the feeling that even Repukes in the Senate are getting a little fed up. The nuclear option seems to be a one man war, the W.H. is sweating over the Downing St memo and now this thing with Newsweek, which I feel is going to blow up in Bushco's face.

The question is, what the hell is going to happen??? The entire administration can't be eliminated, Kerry can't be (all of a sudden) declared the President and we can't have NO ONE running the country.

Go ahead, flame away.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

17. The 9/11 Truth Movement

http://www.911truth.org

Once the facts about our "New Pearl Harbor" penetrate into the general consciousness, anything could happen.

[KoKo]

13. Not yet.....we've been through this before, so I won't get my hopes up

one more time to see them dashed. I think it could go the other way...where they will put us in "Lock Down." I can't be optimistic about these folks. They have all the power they can do what they want. :shrug:

[thecai]

15. Not If We DEFEND The Constitution...

...instead of allowing Bushco to trash it with unP.A.T.R.I.O.T. Acts and Homeland inSecurity farces...

[BeHereNow]

18. Yes, but I fear not in our favor-

-The cult has no intention of giving up power.
-The troops are ready to dissent in record numbers.
-No one in their right mind would enlist at this a point.
(unfortunately, this does not apply to bushbots who
we KNOW are not in their right minds, but are also
cowards and bullies who prefer to send others to do their
dirty work.)
-The economy is about to tank
-the media is worthless and controlled by the same people
who should be in prison for the illegal invasion/occupation
of sovereign nations and bilking the American taxpayer out of
who knows how much money at this point.

All of these points added to an endless list of others
combined with the fact that Americans are starting to WAKE UP
spells serious troube in my mind.

Ever seen a cornered rabid dog?

I fear the tide is about to turn for the worse.
Nothing lshould be more feared than
a desperate and trapped beast.

And those of you who know my faith, know I have
no doubt we are dealing with EVIL, as in the first beast. (Rev13)

Hang on people- DARK days ahead.

BHN

[lonestarnot]

21. 666 or 616 ...it's here

http://www.rense.com/general65/realid.htm

[thecai]

25. No Weapon Formed Against Us Shall Prosper...

...and every tongue that rises against us in judgement we shall condemn. Isaiah 54:14-17. Also, Ephesians 5:11 explains corruption being exposed in the last days...
I agree Rev. 13 is "upon us", but not before the gospel is preached to every nation...
In the meantime, "fear no evil".
edit for misquote

[BeHereNow]

27. WHERE do you get that?

Until the gospel is preached to every creature?
That sounds a lot like pre-trib rapture doctrine to me.
Got scripture?
BHN

[thecai]

36. Correction; "To All Nations"...

I confused two scriptures, thank you for bringing that to my attention.
And yes, it is like pre-trib doctrine, because everything is falling into place exactly as foretold.

[BeHereNow]

38. What version of the word are you using?

As a Christian, I assure you pre-trib rapture is FALSE doctrine.
It is NOT in the Bible.
BHN

[thecai]

41. Been Through This Discussion Before...

...but I'll explain again, the word "rapture" is NOT in The Bible, but the description of events are... Sorry, I won't argue about The Bible with you.
I follow KJV, and I believe the Words. On the basis of my interpretation and my life experiences, The Bible has never lied to me...

[BeHereNow]

91. Glad to hear you follow KJV!

All others, you know, have been written by
corporate interest.
And knowing that, you surely also know that
the word says we will be here until the END
of the age.
The pre-trib does not exist in scripture.
Christians WILL be here through the seven years
of trib, as written in the word.
BHN

[wiggs]

44. Agree. This is just getting started

This adminsitration and the machinery behind it took decades to build. At stake are trillions of dollars and global corporatocracy. This power hedgemony -- alliance of government, corporations, media, and religious right --is not going away anytime soon. It's just getting going.

Your post is gloomy, cynical, defeatist, and bleak. I regret to say that I'm right there with you. (read confessions of economic hit man to accelerate the cynicism)

While it is apparently going to take a lot more than the horrendous stories we've heard over the last five years to bring down the neocons, I will say that the tone on DU has changed in the last couple of weeks. There is more anger, more willingness to act, more frustration, less willingness to rely on dem leaders, more acknowledgement of how badly we're screwed....than I've heard here, ever. I take that as a positive.

But, as I've said before the list of outrages gets longer every day and is apparently just proof of how powerful, invulnerable, and entrenched this corporatocracy is.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Yes

Things will get worse before they get better. It'll be a long hard battle but good always prevails if you fight for it and know that the truth is on your side and it is ours. We just have to keep fighting and not give up. They're still fighting us but we can't let them bully us and win.

[jazzjunkysue]

70. As long as they reveal themselves in time for 06- We've got a chance.

[struggle4progress]

20. Come gather 'round people wherever you roam

and admit that the waters around you have grown
and accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you is worth savin' then you better start swimmin'
or you'll sink like a stone
for the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pen
and keep your eyes wide the chance won't come again
and don't speak too soon for the wheel's still in spin
and there's no tellin' who that it's namin'.
For the loser now will be later to win
for the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call.
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall.
for he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled:
There's a battle outside and it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
for the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
and don't criticize what you can't understand:
your sons and your daughters are beyond your command;
your old road is rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
tor the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast:
the slow one now will later be fast
as the present now will later be past.
The order is rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now will later be last
for the times they are a-changin'.

http://bobdylan.com/songs/times.html

[babylonsister]

65. Thanks for the song. While I'm

not a BD fan, this song is great and applicable now as it was then.

[enigmatic]

22. I really don't know anymore, frankly..

It's like a cult has gripped 40% of this country, and in a twisted way, they WANT the world to go completely to shit so they can speed along The Rapture and The End Times. The Fundies don't care if they blow the world up; for them, it's all according tp plan, and they thing the're all going to "Heaven" anyway..

[nashville_brook]

24. i think: schroedinger's tide

at any given moment both realities exist.

[Turn CO Blue]

26. Something is stirring

I sense it too. Something. Is. About. To. Happen.
What will be the final straw?

[thecai]

33. How We Treat Our Poor, Needy, Prisoners...

...is "the final straw" with GOD, but the fundies cannot do anything before "the right time". They attempt to instill fear, (and it is working on some), but they do not determine "the end times", as much as they'd like to.
GOD's work is not complete yet, there is more injustice and corruption to be redressed, more innocent prisoners to be released, more debts to be cancelled, and The Gospel to be preached to every nation. Then will the end come. Not when Bushco decides.
But still, watch and pray. Be ready, for we know not when...

edit for misquote

[leftofthedial]

28. "done with 9-11 retribution" = a new MIHOP?

[jazzjunkysue]

71. I mean I think regular americans have exhausted their blood thirst.

I think they have had enough retribution because it's starting to affect them personally. The man date is over.

[jayctravis]

29. The cool part about this...

Is that it was very public that the administration *forced* Newsweek's hand. Newsweek did us a service by not about-facing instantly, but straining against for a whole day. This shows that they really *aren't* in the RW pocket, but they must have put some pretty solid thumbscrews ... or red-ink "menstrual blood" on the editors.

Now...if any of this phantasmagoria of rightwing atrocity gets reported on and the WH similarly smacks it down, it will develop into a pattern that can't be ignored.

[oxbow]

46. we have to keep reminding people that Newsweek didn't kill those people

"Last Thursday, General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters at the Pentagon that rioting in Afghanistan was related more to the on-going political reconciliation process there, than it was to a controversial note buried in the pages of Newsweek claiming that the government was investigating whether or not some nitwit interrogator at Gitmo really had desecrated a Muslim holy book."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

Also that former detainees, The BBC, The Washington Post, The Center for Constitution Rights and many other sources have verified that just the kind of abuse that Newsweek reported on did in fact happen multiple times. They reported on this years before the Newsweek story ever broke.

I say we take a note from Olbermann and begin calling for McLellan to resign over this.

[jazzjunkysue]

72. Amen to that. Every card they play exposes their hand and their intentions

[K8-EEE]

30. I hope and pray. I am not objective enough to even know anymore

I want so bad for people to wake the fuck up. I'm always thinking it's going to happen but time and time again people fall for the same damn lies.

I want a GOP bloodbath in the 2006 election -- I think with the way things are going with the continuing deficit, Iraq quagmire, social security etc., it's just possible.

[jazzjunkysue]

74. Especially with a 43% approval rating. He's going down.

[K8-EEE]

85. I Hope You're Right and btw...I'm JazzJunkyK8-EEE

Pleased to meet another jazz junky!

[jazzjunkysue]

90. Together, we worship the prophets Davis, Coltrain, and Byrd. Let us pray.

Nice to meetya!

[donkeyotay]

89. Remember polls?

Media used to love them.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. There will be retribution for 911 on the day the NeoCons are....

...led away in chains.

[BlueIris]

48. Currently, I'm trying to decide whether the idea of actually...

excuting these people is too harsh a punnishment for me to desire. I'm normally against the use of the death penalty.

[anitar1]

50. Don't feel guilty about this,

many or us feel the same.

[femme.democratique]

56. Pure evil can't be "rehabilitated". There are few in the world

who deserve the death penalty. Those NeoCons in Washington have more than earned their place at the Devil's table, personally I think they should all be executed by varying means and in public. Never thought I'd say that but there it is. Sounds barbaric but it would be a psychological cleansing for the country. Of course, they should only be executed after a proper trial and after they're forced to answer to WE THE PEOPLE in public viewings where they can be humiliated as they deserve to be, and all of their crimes laid out in full detail for the public to digest. Its harsh but come on - there is no other way for these monsters who are destroying the planet.

[Conservativesux]

51. It'd be nice, but it aint gonna happen. Even Kenny-boy Lay is walking free

as a bird.

No, the best we can hope for is to start to take back the congress in 06 and the WH in 08.

No way will * ever step down like tricky dick.

The boy who would be king, has no honor at all.

[kansasblue]

35. tide turning? not sure, but the water is getting very rough

[OnionPatch]

37. It does feel a little that way but...

People do seem to be catching on, but at the same time the neocons seem to be consolidating their power in some real scary, totalitarian ways. The big question will be...if the people do catch on, will there be anything they can even do about it at that point?Let's hope.

[caligirl]

42. Best part is Bush has 3.5 years of this stuff to live with, bad news so do

we. But at least his 2nd term will seem like hell on earth, unfortunatly it will for us too. Oh well can't win for loosing.:cry:

[Lexingtonian]

45. The polling says it is

Bush's policy set/agenda is static or declining in all major categories. It's been very much a one way trip since December 2000 on domestic policy and '9/11' in foreign policy, but started at the top and the Bush people have been pretty good at drawing peoples' attention on categories of stuff in which their polling showed their policies to be relatively popular, and away from the relatively unpopular ones. (That's the real power of their media advantage.)

In the five or six major categories, their hardline policies have fallen to ~40% levels of support, i.e. Republicans only, in all but one. Terrorism is the one in which slightly more than 50% still give them cred...but it's pretty sensitive to a scandal e.g. at Guantanamo (or, rather, the truth, as we prefer to label it).

Once people fully give up on the hardline policy in one or another area, they truly don't go back to it. Whole demographics seem to dither for months on some policy, the percentage of support changes in single digits and swings...and then all the people in it seem give up faith entirely within a week of one another. It's a remarkable one way street. The Schiavo business, for example, blew out support for hardline Republican social policy among Indies in a matter days...after (imho) the FMA business last summer started Indie dithering and suspicion.

Right now Democrats and Indies oppose the Republican hardline policies coming out of Washington in almost everything. These hardline policies are starting to meet resistance by moderate Republicans, as they no longer even meet minimal goals, and in a year the moderate R's will be in opposition to most of them. When these hardline policies abjectly fail, i.e. Bush has to raise taxes, and when Bush has to withdraw from Iraq, etc., then the GOP hardliners disintegrate too.

At the present rate of failure we'll easily be winning the '08 election decisively; the question is really whether things can be brought along far enough in the next year and a half for '06 to be the massive tipping point.

The people in the back rooms of RNC Headquarters have this figured out too. And that's why they're telling their people to grab for as much as possible as soon as possible.

[imenja]

61. problem is Democrats poll even lower than Republicans

at least the Democratic congress does. http://pollingreport.com/congress.htm
I don't agree that it is at all a foregone conclusion that Democrats can easily win future elections. It's not enough for the Republicans to fall on their faces. The Democrats need to articulate a clear alternative and the polls--your own basis for concluding the Republicans are losing ground--suggest the public does not yet see the Democrats as representing a viable alternative.

[Lexingtonian]

88. true

But the terms of the argument are still the hardline Republican policies. People aren't actually looking for alternatives yet even though they pretend to do so some of the time. The sense of necessity isn't there, the ultimate result of these hardline Republican policies hasn't come into view yet.

It's actually quite wise- and Americans are, for all the talk, very practical- for everyone to wait until the problems/dilemmas arising out of hardline Republican rule become utterly clear. The endpoints generally leave only one transparently good answer to the question of What Do We Do Next. And one Party utterly disqualified from implementing it.

It's not pretty, but that's how it is.

The Congressional polling shows that hardline Democrats and hardline Republicans are roughly equal in number and judgment of what is going on- which we already knew- and everyone else is withholding judgment for the time being, except that they don't like what is going on in some vague general way. I don't see any problem in that. In specific policies we see 38% on the Democratic side and 32% on the Republican, which says that moderate/soft Democrats are on board with hardline Democrats, but moderate Republicans are getting passive toward their hardline brethren. Which is fine with me, too.

[jazzjunkysue]

77. Spot on: "The people in the back rooms of RNC Headquarters have this figur

figured out too. And that's why they're telling their people to grab for as much as possible as soon as possible."

That's the proof. They know damn well this country is basically liberal and pluralist. They know exactly how slow the learning curve is, and it's about up. 43% ain't no 65 or 70. No sir ee.

[Horse with no Name]

49. I love Keith but

he just signed his own pink slip. He will be gone within a month.
That's my prediction.
From this ONE statement:

"That’s beyond shameful. It’s treasonous."

It is the truth, beyond a doubt. But he is the first one to call a spade a spade, and it won't go over well.:(

[scarletlib]

52. well you are more optimistic than I am

I dont see anything changing. Crap keeps coming out but nothing happens. Maybe when the whole goddamned country falls apart someone might wake up and call the monsters running this country to account.

[liberalpress]

58. And the most disgusting thing of all..

... even after all that's gone down, if the election were held today, Goober would still win.

[mopaul]

54. bush ain't done with his plans yet

but either way, the tide IS turning.

[Ripley]

55. Are you new here?

Not that I would hold that against you. But people have been saying "the tide is turning" "the worm has turned" "the other shoe is about to drop" and a myriad of other worn cliches since January 2001.

Smirkaholic has more Teflon on him than Reagan.

Yes, I agree I'm hearing some angst amongst the Bushbots in my area regarding the cluster in Iraq/Afghanistan and moreover the loss of jobs and benefits, stagnant wages, and inflation. But you know what?

They still say "...but I don't blame The President!"

Sorry, but it's gonna take one of two things to bring these assholes down. 1) A high-level (Scooter-type) insider handing the smoking gun over to the FBI on National TV, or 2) 9/11 Part Deux.

So don't kiss lunacy goodbye yet...

[jazzjunkysue]

78. I'll see your scooter and raise you a Gallway.

It's splitting open. It has to.

[Ripley]

83. Galloway? Hah!

I just watched a snippet someone provided of his tirade. Most excellent. But are you freaking kidding me? This Scotty accusing American Senators of outright lying will be burned at the stake for the next week on all the media. You think they hit Dan Rather hard? Shit, this guy ain't even one of US!

Face it, it shouldn't have taken a god damned foreigner to use those words of truth to power. How the fuck hard would it have been for Kerry to say that shit at a debate when he had the whole world watching?

Bleh.

[lastliberalintexas]

84. You must be in the South too

"They still say '...but I don't blame The President!'"

Ah yes, how the warped minds of the true believers can wrap around that one I'll never know. There is a vast disconnect out there, as if no one can actually see the cause (bush's actions) and effect (lost jobs, possibility of hyperinflation, wars, wars and more wars, etc.). It would be incredibly fascinating, if it wasn't so frustrating.


I do have to disagree with you about 9/11 Part Deux, though- at least in the short run. Another disaster is probably all it would take for even the Democrats in my area to turn the corner into full-fledged fascism.

[cap]

57. I have just one word to say on this: PLASTIC

it's the credit cards that'll do it...not the war, the credit cards...

An increase in the minimum payment PLUS an increase in interest rates PLUS layoffs and no possibility of a real bankruptcy.

PLASTIC will turn the tide. (shades of the Graduate!)

[jazzjunkysue]

79. OK with me. Add in the gas prices and United strikes, and what

will Commander Cookoo pants so about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[NewJeffCT]

59. Sorry, I don't see it

I'm naturally a pessimist, but these guys are just too good at controlling the media message. I'll keep writing my LTTEs, donating to liberal causes here & there, etc, but we have mountains to climb and every baby step upward is countered by hurricane force winds blowing us back...

[imenja]

60. but where is it turning?

I'm not sure if you're right that a tide is turning or not, but say you are. The question remains where it is turning to? According to the various polls listed on pollingreport.com, Bush and the Republican congress have low approval ratings but the ratings of the Democratic congress are even lower. It's not enough for Republicans to be seen as disastrous, there has to be an alternative. At this point it isn't clear to me that the Democrats are making much of a case to the public of why they should be that alternative.

[dandrhesse]

62. I have felt like it for a long time, someone needs to stand up, it only

takes one Republican Senator to call the whole thing off. If one starts speaking out I am convinced others will follow. The true sign will be when the "loyalists" start jumping ship as all cowards do when the ship starts to sink! The Republicans would push their own Grandmother's out of the way to save their skins so watch out because there is stampede about to begin!

[jazzjunkysue]

81. McCain is not backing Frist. There you have it.

[SmokingJacket]

64. It sure as hell SHOULD be turning.

I've had that sense for months and months.

But it keeps not turning.

We'll see when the nuclear option either happens, or doesn't happen. If they get rid of the filibuster... the tide's going to be going in their direction, period.

[babylonsister]

66. This thread boggles my mind. From

great optimism to total pessimism (or reality?). I go from big grins to almost tears. :crazy:

[Ripley]

76. Well, speaking as a pessimist...I'm tired of being jerked around.

I got my hopes up big time before the election. Should have known better.

Look at this crap about Newsweek going on! How can anyone say that is proof the tide is turning? It's just the opposite, it shows me that these criminals control more than I thought possible. I watched Newshour on PBS the other night just to see if they would cover this story fairly...NO. Other than the PBS guy remaining calm and not screaming with a gigantic American flag flapping in the wind behind his head...his line of questioning to the Newsweek editor was FAUXNEWS exactly.

When 99% of the media uses the EXACT SAME SCRIPT 99% of the time...you don't do a little jig because that 1% showed up on KO's show one night.

[Melodybe]

93. However a majority of Americans do not trust the corporate media

and that is a start.

[jazzjunkysue]

82. Yeah. I'm proud of this one. Thanks, everyone. This was fun.

[rniel]

73. You'd be right IF...

We had legitimate elections in this country.

I don't think we do.

[Melodybe]

94. sign the petition

www.verifiedvoting.org

[Pockets]

75. Maybe...

Even my mom said she'd consider voting Democrat for President if they put someone in who wasn't a "weirdo," and she's as conservative as they come -- both my parents went to the same university as that Rush guy.

[Gloria]

80. No. I'm esp. concerned about this talk of "compromise" on

the fillibuster because I sense the Dems will give away the store anyway.
I have no confidence in them.

The Newsweek massacre is esp. upsetting. Craig Crawford has it right and even Chris Bury on Nightline zeroed in on the how the Admin. drops info, confirms it and then turns around an accuses the media of screwing up.

But all the rest seem to be enabling the Admin. Newsweek's editor looked bad on Nightline last night and today they're talking about looing at their policies. He is obviously being intimidated when he should be standing tall and taking strength from Bury and Crawford.
If he did, maybe the dam would break in other places, too....

[pgh_dem]

86. who knows, the newsweek thing could be the straw for the media

I think all these stenographers have no problem being lied to, smacked around and crapped on, as long as they get their access to the press room.

But directly accusing Newsweek of responsibility for people killed in Afghani/Uzbek riots may just be the indignity they won't suffer.

In an ideal world, they would angrily rise up against such an accusation just because of its untruth as well as its stunning hypocrisy.

In this far less than ideal world, they'd probably just worry about getting sued for wrongful death by 140-some Afghan/Uzbek families.

Either way, it could shake out the same: media stops kissing *'s ass.

[Yellow_Dog]

87. Why will no one say it?

MENTAL ILLNESS

[Melodybe]

92. To me it does. Mainly b/c of all the new frat boy libertarians that I have

met at my table.

[Lannes]

95. This is why we have such an uphill battle

Bill Maher put it in the right perspective..



http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=1045&IssueNum=57


"people ignore the facts and just go immediately to how they can “defend the guy who’s on my team: George Bush is the guy on my team, so how can I work backwards from whatever he did to make it good?” Bush could be in those pictures from Abu Ghraib prison holding the leash, and 40 percent of this country would find a way to figure out how this was the right thing to do."

[jazzjunkysue]

97. New poll today: US approval of Senate is mid 30's. Bush is 43%

The learning curve is slow, but, real, and I think, inevitable. As social security and gas prices start to effect people, they start to turn. When Iraq gets more and more hopeless, and more and more local boys die, it turns. When the fundies can take over the senate, they turn. We all voted for school budgets in new york state yesterday, and more went down than usual. People are pissed and worried.

They know their trust was abused and power used for wrong purposes. They know about the London Iraq memo, that * lied about the WMD's. They're waking up. Air America Radio is getting converts by the truckload every day, now. Rush is hyperventilating for good reason.

The GOP is tanking, under the weight of it's own delusions. It's slow, but inevitable. The american public has lost it's need for revenge, and wants their old lives back.

[0007]

96. Nothing is going well for junior right now and everything he touches

turns to shit. But don't set yourself up for a fall. These asshole alway have a way to come back. We got to keep pugging away and educating the mindless morans that back this creep.

[jazzjunkysue]

98. Scarborough: 5/18: "GOP is in trouble in 06." Heard it myself.

Hey. I'm agreeing with Scarborough. Ewwww. I feel dirty.

But he said the GOP is really nervous, and the fundies won't allow Frist to back down.