Are We in the Middle of a Cold/Civil War?

[mopaul]

cold war
Function: noun
1 : a conflict over ideological differences carried on by methods short of sustained overt military action and usually without breaking off diplomatic relations; specifically often capitalized C&W : the ideological conflict between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R -- compare HOT WAR
2 : a condition of rivalry, mistrust, and often open hostility short of violence especially between power groups (as labor and management)

civil war
a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country

[applegrove]

1. Try not to use the term 'civil war'. You may get the nuts on our side

going. There are creeps everywhere who will take advantage. Keeping our side 'clean' and the people with the adult empathy..is the only way to win. You win by being adults to their adolescent thinking. You appeal to the best within Americans.

It is a war for hearts and minds. Encouraging talk of civil war will only waste the time of 'bureaucrats' who monitor these boards for seditious & treasonous & terrorism. And they would have been right to take a look see. But if nothing happened you have just wasted their time which should be focused on real terrorists. If some sort of violence breaks out among the democrats...that will send the 57% of Americans who are against Bush...running in the other direction.

I would think it would be freepers who chat up the talk of civil war in these last few weeks.

I will have to ask a question of the moderator. Because I don't know what the rules are. But I don't think we should be talking 'civil war'.

Fighting the good fight politically is fair game.

But we need limits.

So sorry if I get your post frozen. But I have to ask!

[mopaul]

2. i'm talking about a cold/civil war

to clarify, a new kind of civil war, in which there is no actual battle going on. like cold war in other words.

call the mods, if you feel it's your duty

[applegrove]

5. I did. No response. Nothing personal. I just have seen the words

civil war & America for the last few weeks and am not sure it is within the rules to use language like that.

We have nothing to gain from civil war (the normal meaning). If we talk like that we will loose all the moderates we have won back.

I know you meant it in a benign way. I just see those words used more and more on this site and I had to ask the moderators if this is the way we want to go with language.

Like I said, nothing personal - just a question of my own I made through your post that has more to do with my own feelings on language & trends.

:shrug: :hi:

[Selatius]

3. The battle for hearts and minds has gone on since the beginning

You can consider it a war in a metaphorical sense, but the polarization of the political landscape is nowhere near what happened during the 1960s. Even though Bush et al. have exhibited corporatist (aka fascist) tendencies, things have not been pushed to that level of strife.

My advice is to wait until 2008 and then revisit the question.

[Kerrytravelers]

4. We've had threads on this before. I think yes, we are indeed.

There have been numerous stories of refts in families and between friends over politics and what is happening to this country. People are being (literally) removed from their churches, or not made to feel welcomed. People feel very free to stage huge anti-gay demonstrations outside of high school and to picket funerals of homosexuals. Dems have been called "the other faith" and there are religious/political leaders jumping into the fugurative bed together, claiming Dems are waging a war on them and stirring up their frenzied masses into believing there is a war on faith here in America. They have advocated for the shooting of judges they label as "activist" while shoving their wn beliefs into the legislation of this country. The religious zealots and the neocons have teams together. The third pilar of this unholy trinity are the corrupt corporations who use their power to change laws to benefit them and hurt the "little guy" here in America, be it Enron manipulating California and creating an energy crisis that brought about the recall of Davis and the entrance of arnold who had met with Ken Lay one full year prior to the recll going into effect or be it the credit card companies that have declared war on us, the middle incomed Americans, by allowing only those over 1.3 million in debt to declare bankruptsy, but punishing us for losing our jobs or having a medical crisis.

Yes, we certainly are in a cold civil war amongst ourselves in this country. It was a war declared by the right wing extremist and the fire was fuled by those who are profitting from it- war profitteers, internationa and corporate conglomation and religious leders who tell their flock to give them money or be condemed by God.

[mtnsnake]

8. Yes we have. Here's one of them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3559406

[Kerrytravelers]

9. I was in that one, too!

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3559406#3559943>

:hi:

[ohio_liberal]

6. Yes, yes we are

A civil war with no guns and a bunch of sleeping sheep in the middle of us all.

[greendeerslayer]

7. in a word...

...yes, in two words - hell yes!

[Auntie Bush]

11. To make matters worse...most our military is heading South if Rummy

has his way. And they already have lots and lots of guns. :scared:

[xchrom]

10. officially since reagan.

and there have been real shots fired.

assasination of abortion doctors
timothy mcveigh
radicalization of right wing paramilitary.

i say this because i'm resentful of the poster who suggests it's not obvious that something VERY sinister is a foot and that moderates will duck and run.

how did moderates feel after ok city bombing?
weren't moderates able to determine that elements of the right had ratcheted up the game?
the language on right wing radio upsets many moderates.

what is peculiar is that many moderates have run into the loving arms of bushco since 9-11.
not reagan democrats --who were never allies of the contemporary democratic party.