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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:45 PM
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looks like OLBERMANN plans a segment tonight on British War memo
from his newsletter today:

>>Seven months before the invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that in Washington intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/12/AR2005051201857.html //

A trial balloon for a Cheney for President run in 2008 is being launched by a surprising source, Washington Post star reporter (and White House insider) Bob Woodward. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000920885


That's some of what we're planning for tonight's show.
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Those are just two of the things, there were a couple more that looked good as well. If anyone wants to catch it might be a good night to watch.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:48 PM
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1. I can't believe nobody else is reporting on this
it is an absolute insult to democracy.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:53 PM
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2. The rest of the media will let him hang
He's probably been marked as the "conspiracy" reporter since he was the only one with balls enough to cover voter fraud/supression and was early on the now non-existent Gannongate. It's going to take a lot more than 1 reporter with nuts or they'll just be viewed as nuts by the obedient pod sheeple.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:53 PM
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3. The rest of the media will let him hang
Edited on Mon May-16-05 01:54 PM by shadowknows69
oops. so nice I tried to say it twice
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:55 PM
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4. If the Daily Show picks it up then that's enough
everyone knows that the media is full of shit anyway.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:14 PM
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6. Did Jon Stewart pick up on this yet?
I haven't been able to catch the show in a while.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:19 PM
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8. that's the problem
we know they're FOS. Clearly a good chunk of the population still takes the evening news as (and I really hate to use this word) gospel. Shit, my mother in law swears by the Weekly World News and wants to meet batboy someday. The control of the media is so thorough that even when ugly truth slips through it's instantly discredited as the "Liberal Media" kissing Democrat ass. Deregulation is what allowed the News to work for big business instead of the people. I'm actually baffled as to why Olbermann is allowed to prod the fringes he does. I worry about his safety in these times of mass journalist "suicides".
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:09 PM
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5. I don't understand Woodward and Chenney
Bob Woodward is NOT a Republican hack--I mean, come on, WATERGATE for godsakes! Yes, he managed to get in last year and do some in-depth reporting on the Whitehouse, but he was reporting some things that the admin was most definitely NOT happy with--like Bush's religious fixation. That book is still on my To Read list.
The only thing I can think of in regards to Chenney, is that Woodward would be doing the Dems a HUGE favor. Chenney is the worst of the worst, and most of the American public perceives him that way, even Repugs. The Dems could very easily rip him to shreds.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:22 PM
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9. Just suppose...
Edited on Mon May-16-05 02:23 PM by 8_year_nightmare
that Woodward was always a hack for the Repug machine, that his work on Watergate was a call of duty to get rid of Nixon, with Nixon's having crossed the line with them by withdrawing troops from Vietnam.

There must be a plausible explanation for why Woodward is now so apathetic & is now serving as a utility man for the worst president in our history after he worked so hard to expose Nixon. Doesn't make sense. Whatever respect I had for Woodward's sense of right & wrong is gone.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:11 PM
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13. Not only Vietnam...
From: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm

In 1972, President Richard Nixon returned from the Soviet Union with a treaty worked out by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the beginning of a process Kissinger called "détente." On June 1, 1972, Nixon gave a speech in which he said, "Last Friday, in Moscow, we witnessed the beginning of the end of that era which began in 1945. With this step, we have enhanced the security of both nations. We have begun to reduce the level of fear, by reducing the causes of fear—for our two peoples, and for all peoples in the world."


Perhaps the Real Power in this country decided that détente really wasn't such a good idea. Peace isn't all that profitable, you know. Nixon had to go. Unlike Kennedy, Tricky Dick was allowed to keep his head.

The Watergate break-in was just a few weeks later -- on June 17th, 1972.

Might Poppy have put Hunt, Sturgis and those wacky bungling burglars up to the task to intentionally frame Nixon? Could he not have also been the man in the parking garage?

If so, there's your plausible explanation. B-)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:08 AM
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15. Good work & very plausible.
Deep Throat would only deal with Woodward. Whether Poppy is Deep Throat or not, I suspect Deep Throat belongs to the elite neo-con group that pulls the strings of this country.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:17 AM
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17. Exactly
That's why I think Poppy is probably Deep Throat. Who else could get away with it all these years? If it was anybody else the only way they could've gotten away from it was having support from a Bush who had strong connections in high places. So it's either Poppy or someone Poppy is protecting who is paying him back or already has to get Bush junior where he is now.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:36 PM
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12. Woodward was a spook in Naval Intelligence

who went to work for the Washington Post (which coincidentally maintained close connections to the CIA through Project Mockingbird) as a reporter right after leaving the Navy. You know what they say, once a spook always a spook.


Secret admirers: The Bushes and the Washington Post

By Michael Hasty
Online Journal Contributing Writer

<snip>

in an article published by the media watchdog group, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), Henwood traced the Post's Establishment connections to Eugene Meyer, who took control of the Post in 1933. Meyer transferred ownership to his daughter Katharine and her husband, Philip Graham, after World War II, when he was appointed by Harry Truman to serve as the first president of the World Bank. A lifelong Republican, Meyer had been "a Wall Street banker, director of President Wilson's War Finance Corporation, a governor of the Federal Reserve, and director of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation," Henwood wrote.

Philip Graham, Meyer's successor, had been in military intelligence during the war. When he became the Post's publisher, he continued to have close contact with his fellow upper-class intelligence veterans—now making policy at the newly formed CIA—and actively promoted the CIA's goals in his newspaper. The incestuous relationship between the Post and the intelligence community even extended to its hiring practices. Watergate-era editor Ben Bradlee also had an intelligence background; and before he became a journalist, reporter Bob Woodward was an officer in Naval Intelligence. In a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine about CIA influence in American media, Woodward's partner, Carl Bernstein, quoted this from a CIA official: "It was widely known that Phil Graham was somebody you could get help from." Graham has been identified by some investigators as the main contact in Project Mockingbird, the CIA program to infiltrate domestic American media. In her autobiography, Katherine Graham described how her husband worked overtime at the Post during the Bay of Pigs operation to protect the reputations of his friends from Yale who had organized the ill-fated venture.

After Graham committed suicide, and his widow Katharine assumed the role of publisher, she continued her husband's policies of supporting the efforts of the intelligence community in advancing the foreign policy and economic agenda of the nation's ruling elites. In a retrospective column written after her own death last year, FAIR analyst Norman Solomon wrote, "Her newspaper mainly functioned as a helpmate to the war-makers in the White House, State Department and Pentagon." It accomplished this function (and continues to do so) using all the classic propaganda techniques of evasion, confusion, misdirection, targeted emphasis, disinformation, secrecy, omission of important facts, and selective leaks.


http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/020504Hasty/020504hasty.html
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:32 PM
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14. BULLSEYE!!!
Who do you suppose the "friends from Yale who had organized the ill-fated venture" might be ... a certain elder George Bush, perhaps?

Knowing that he has a much more extensive CIA background than he ever cared to admit, it sure makes sense as to how and why Woodward and Bernstein kept something oh-so secret all these years.

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:13 AM
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16. It all fits. And if it's correct, I don't think Woodward/Bernstein have
any intention of ever revealing the identity of Deep Throat. At least, the real one.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:41 AM
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18. Time will tell. Or maybe it won't.
Lots of smoke and mirrors. I love the scene in Oliver Stone's "JFK" where Kevin Costner's character, Jim Garrison, says "we are through the looking glass and what's white is black and what's black is white."

We need to understand the reality of counterintelligence and identify its presence. For example, check out this page published by the Washington Post which suggests the likely Deep Throat suspects: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/watergate/deepthroat.html The place to start is with the name(s) NOT listed.


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nittygritty Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:15 PM
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7. Conyers interview on memo
going to be on Wolf Blitzer today also, apparently. There's another thread around here on that.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:34 PM
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11. Here is the Conyers on Blitzer/CNN thread
The DU Conyers on Blitzer CNN tonight thread is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3666185

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<<SNIP>>from the Conyers on CNN tonite thread
http://www.conyersblog.us /

White House Press Briefing and CNN
Dowining Street Memo Gaining Traction
Also: Newsweek Koran Story

I am advised that White House spokesman Scott McClellan was asked about the Downing Street memo today. His response was "the decisionmaking process was publicly documented." I am not really sure what that means. His non-answer answer seems to have done a favor for us though, as I have been receieving more press inquiries about this matter. I was just interviewed by CNN for the 5pm edition of Wolf Blitzer Reports. From my conversation with the reporter and my staff's conversation with the producer, it seems that they are pretty well versed about this matter. My web volunteers will try to post video of this interview later tonight.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:26 PM
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10. It's about damn time
Let's us just pray that no digits are found in among the chicken nuggets and that no nutty women go missing, no celebrities get arrested or god forbid, show any nipples.

Please nutballs of America, Democracy is at stake.
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