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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:32 AM
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Payback for the Muslims/Arabs, that in the end is our policy.
The only way we can make sense of our policy in the Middle East is if we realize that it is essentially the Israeli policy against the Palestinians transplanted over a wider area.Since Bush assumed the Presidency or since he usurped the Presidency, even the pretense of American evenhandedness has been dropped in favor of a totally Pro-Israeli policy.In effect we have uncritically accepted the Israeli version of truth in the Middle East.This version says that all Arabs are barbaric because they resist Israeli occupation;their barbarism shows up in their suicide bombings.The only way we can put an end to this is to occupy all the Arab countries,spread terror like they have done in Israel and make life hell for all of them for the foreseeable future.Since oil gives them financial power, we should strip them of that resource and use it to benefit our allies, like Israel.

This is why I do not think there will ever be any reconstruction or development in Iraq.That unfortunate country will be looted by us in cahoots with the Israelis and the British, and when we are ready to depart that country will be in ruins.Its people will be reduced to poverty for a century or more.This is also meant to convey a lesson to other Arab countries.

In all this, the charade of bringing Democracy to Iraq is played up as evidence of our noble intentions.The Democrats, with the braying crowd of the DLC in full chorus, are fully supportive of this policy.Their silence in the face of this crminal policy is the most shameful act this party has committed in a long time.
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:33 AM
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1. Absolutely
I posted last week that this Admin hates Muslims. Yet they are trying to outsource this hatred to Newsweek. Unbelievable.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:38 AM
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2. I disagree
I think the weakness of this administration is hubris and pride, not straight maliciousness. I think they really believe that they can bring democracy to Iraq and I think they really believed that it would be easy. Even now they don't have much respect for conditions on the ground compared with the conditions in their head.

That said, it might end up going the direction you suggest, based on the "ingratitude" of the Iraqi people.

Bryant
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:43 AM
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4. By their acts ye shall know them.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:04 AM
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5. Well if we are talking about morals than yeah
They deserve a bit of attention no mater what their rational is.

On the other hand the arrogance and pride they exhibite are universal qualities not unique to the right when it comes to foreign policy - and we need to be aware of and on guard for them when they appear.
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Decay Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:42 AM
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3. I bet
I bet, when the European elite in 19th century realized how much "black gold" was buried under heathen lands, there were thousands of instant aneurysm related deaths. Why does Jesus hate Christians?
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:26 AM
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6. US ..Britain ..Israel leaders are dominated by right wingers
and right now war is in like sin..war mongering and sabers singing are the brave new world of the 21 st century.

Neo-cons and the busheviks are mighty strange dance partners..
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:39 AM
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7. Empire
The struggle in Israel/Palestine can hardly be compared, by serious people, with the machinations of the British Empire and its heir and partner, the United States, and their partners and rivals - the giant economies of Russia and South and East Asia.

Some reading on the history of the oil industry and its effect on global politics should shed some light on this matter. World Wars have been started and fought for this key resource.

Conflating the "Great Game" that has turned the Middle East into a chessboard for Empires, including the Soviets, with the I/P struggle, is a red herring.

As far as US motives are concerned, I think they're a mixed bag. I think

a) the global economy is totally reliant upon oil and that drives EVERYTHING we do in Iraq and probably we also have designs on Turkmen and other Central Asian oil. By "we" I mean the giant multinational corporations that control our government.

I understand there is a need for pipelines to be built to transport Turkmen oil to the Mediterranean or through India. This means continuous war in Iraq is bad for business. Calm must prevail for such a pipeline project to succeed.

I have read various accounts as to the constitution of certain consortiums that might be interested in building these. They all involve US companies, and some mention also Saudi money. However I have also read that the Sauds might be trying to sabotage this effort by kicking up trouble in Central Asia, in order to keep their dominance of the oil market. Go figure.

That is why the Democrats don't kick up too much dust on this war. They are ALSO controlled by Big Business. Who isn't? Everything we do is to some extent hooked into them, even if all we do is consume.

b) Empowering the Arab people - and other Islamic people in the region, to grow economically and develop stable, democratic governments, is the best possible way to secure lasting peace and therefore protect the interests of (a).

So, on the one hand, we most certainly are after oil and geopolitical dominance. On the other hand, trying to oppress hundreds of millions of people is costly, inefficient, bad for business - after a certain point, that is - and actually endangers our own economy and world stability.

Therefore, your conclusions are fallacious.



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