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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:19 PM
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Is WWIII imminent?
Violence is increasing in Afghanistan and Pakistan, all the nuke-u-ler countries are ramping up in case * decides to overthrow them, we don't really have any allies left, we are about to invade Iran, Pooty-Poot's been on the sideline for quite awhile, and China knows this century is going to belong to them. Do you think we'll have a full-blown WWIII a year from now?
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:22 PM
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1. for a WW to start we need
an overly beligerent nation than can overpower its neighbors.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:25 PM
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4. hmmm....belligerent, overpower weaker countries.....who could that be?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:22 PM
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2. No, Sir, We Will Not
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:22 PM
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3. It depends on your definition
In a way the cold war has probably been WWIII. I don't think that this war qualifies as far as scale goes even if Iran is invaded. So I doubt it...

For a truly global war you need more countries participating and except for the US and the UK there is little or limited participation. The coalition mainly consists of countries showing their support for *, but with limited risk.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:35 PM
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6. Thought the so called "terror war" was WWIV
eom.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:33 PM
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5. When it comes, the US will not be on the winning side.
The US has exported many of its strategic industries, like fabric, shoes, electronics, and hell, we don't even make enough bullets to supply the troops in Iraq. The DOD had to scramble for a foreign producer.

With a military machine grabbing all the available oil produced in this country, we won't have enough to grow, process and deliver our food, much less gas up the old SUV.

Even if we aren't bombed or invaded (a long shot, this time), the next war will be a disaster from which the country may never recover, and will likely not survive in its present form.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:20 PM
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10. The military machine is also grabbing ALL of the money,
and more. Right now we're short-changing schools, small businesses, pre-school programs, SS, and cutting back on health care to fund the colonization of Iraq. Pretty soon it will be potable water, roads, and edible food. I just wonder when the people who get their "news" from hate radio are going to catch on.
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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:35 PM
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7. McNamara seems to think so in the article he wrote the other week...
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:57 PM
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13. Mcnamara needs to come clean
The article is much repeated stuff from the film "the fog of war", and
this review is spot on, in pointing out that the film lets macnamara
off the hook... that there never really is an apology, or a mea culpa.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0126-07.htm

I find this equally disturbing about the new genre of "conscience
non-fiction" like "confessions of an economic hitman", where an author,
and in macnamara's case, an actor, in historical events, makes a
public confession... and after the fact, all i'm left with is the
feeling i've been bullshitted with a wooly story... that perhaps those
individuals lie to themselves so convincingly, that they think that
a half-assed apology in public is appropriate... and they leave this
mediocre standard of lies-as-apology as the new american future.

A whole generation of baby boomers who's confessions and memoirs will
surely produce a litany of economic and war crimes of heinous
proportions are let off the hook, because these men would rather
apologize "after" they die, than before.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:56 PM
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8. We are in WWIII - the great terror war (soon to be named resource wars)
We are in WWIII, I believe. We do not realize it, now, but many will think of the invasion of Iraq as the precipitating event. History names wars after the fact, usually, because when you are in it, your perspective is somewhat hindered.

We wil know if this was it in 20 years. All I can say is that I do not think the rest of the world will go with appeasement forever, and the neocons in the US and neoliberals in Europe have proven themselves be beyond reproach with their agressive tactics.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:15 PM
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9. According to Ritter, hell will be unleashed
the day after we invade Iran. He says that's where the nerve center of (*'s version of) terrorism really is, and if we attack them, the following morning their followers throughout the world will "counterattack", and it will be ugly. This is mostly what I am afraid of.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:38 PM
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11. Terrifying thought. How can we stop the Iran war?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:42 PM
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12. If you believe in ESP and premonitions
Edited on Fri May-13-05 04:46 PM by GreenPartyVoter
During the seemingly interminable wait for (s)election 2000 to be decided by the SCOTUS, I was doing my dishes one evening...

And I had this cold sensation slip through my spine and a sudden "knowing" that said that if ** took office we would see the worst war this world had ever known.

All I know beyond that is that Iraq and Afghanistan weren't "it". It is yet to come. :scared:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:01 PM
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14. my sense as well
A generation of lightweights thinks that THIS* is world war III...nope.

Real world war will have tens of millions of civilian deaths at the
very least, and all of this due to bush framing the facts of the ballots
of his presidency around the prepared principal that he won. We
should put these men on trial for war crimes and stand down before its
too late.
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:08 PM
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15. Not really.
If by "imminent" you mean that it will happen no matter what, yes. I don't see in happening any time in the immediate future. It's a couple of decades off at least.

I could see it possibly going down in about a decade in Asia. North Korea's gonna go nuclear pretty soon (or rather already has). Two days after Japan decides to nuclear it will be. South Korea probably won't be far behind. This whole region is and always has been a powderkeg and they do NOT get along with each other.

China is China. North Korea, who knows what the hell is up with them. Japan, while I guess it has no army to speak of, does have the second-most powerful navy and could probably remilitarize quickly. I would imagine South Korea is no push-over. Taiwan is a touchy spot with China AND we're pledged to defend her.

I think this is the more likely area to start a war than India/Pakistan or the MidEast. US Allies like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan would likely pull in the US and probably Australia and a host of other more western countries. Course, this is a good ways off. We're not gonna invade Iran or Syria in the near future.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:13 PM
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16. Am I gay? (better read below)
Bi, actually.

* will tug away at Iran, a country that even the EU is not happy with right now.

But once * goes after other countries that the rest of the world won't agree with, bingo.

They bought into Iraq - for a while.

Will some buy into Iran? Likely.

But the US is losing its stature on so MANY issues (tech superiority, health care, jobs, economic system, tapioca pudding bars, etc) that in the short run it's going to benefit from China, et al. But the turning point won't be pretty as our corporate and political leaders are both so selfish and childish beyond the point of immaturity. Once they realize their power and monetary value are going down the toilet, they will react. And they've used big weapons before. For the smallest of reasons. What is about to happen isn't small.

Oh, I am worried.

But life is what we make of it.

Live while we can.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:14 PM
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17. Yes
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:18 PM
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20. What are those little trails to the left?
Most pictures of nuclear blasts i've seen, have these little vertical
trails of cloud, just like in your bush-warIII photo.... what ARE they?

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:24 PM
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21. Hot air from Limbaugh's ass
:D He and a few FOX "News" lizards got too close to the blast.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:31 PM
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22. When Israel sends a scud to Iran thanks to Chimps advice then
WWIII will be unleashed.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:16 PM
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18. Well, today's rapture index is 150, well into the "fasten your seat belts"
range. Here is the key:

Rapture Index of 85 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 85 to 110: Moderate prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 110 to 145: Heavy prophetic activity
Rapture Index above 145: Fasten your seat belts

<http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html>.

Someone please tell me this is a joke website (I fear it isn't).
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:18 PM
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19. Unless the powers of Peace and Goodwill win
yes
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