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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:20 AM
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Breakdown on base closures
Edited on Fri May-13-05 10:10 AM by Horse with no Name
With the realignment proposals and base closings submitted by Cheney, let's see how that breaksdown in the numbers:

Alabama---+2664 personnel
Alaska--(4669)
Arizona--(550)
Arkansas--+3585
California--(2018)
Colorado--+4917
Connecticut (8585)
Delaware--+91
DC--(6496)
Florida--+2757
Georgia--+7423
Hawaii--(298)
Idaho--(659)
Illinois--(2698)
Indiana--+2197
Iowa--(6)
Kentucky--(3658)
Louisiana--(1297)
Maine--(6938)
Maryland--+9293
Massachusetts--+491
Michigan--+125
Minnesota--+262
Mississippi--(1678)
Missouri--(3679)
Montana--(124)
Nebraska--(213)
Nevada--+1059
New Hampshire--+4
New Jersey--+3760
New Mexico--(2849)
New York--(1071)
North Carolina--(422)
North Dakota--(2645)
Ohio--+241
Oklahoma--+3919
Oregon--+1083
Pennsylvania--(1878)
Rhode Island--+531
South Carolina--+709
South Dakota--(3797)
Tennessee--+1088
Texas--+6150
Utah--(446)
Vermont--+56
Virgina--(1574)
Washington--+760
West Virgina--(251)
Wisconsin--(552)
Wyoming--+37

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/050513_Base_CLosings.pdf

I have highlighted blue states. Further breakdown shows that overall, blue states lost 14,078 jobs in their states--redistributing wealth and possibly votes to red states.
However, red states gained 9559 jobs. This also will equate to electoral votes.




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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:28 AM
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1. "However, red states" what?
And do you have a link?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:33 AM
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3. Link to what?
I gave you the numbers with the link and highlighted the states that voted Kerry.
Then did the math.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:10 AM
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15. My apologies--I didn't realize that part of my post was
missing. I fixed it. Thanks.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:30 AM
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2. 5,067 of DC's 6,496 are at Walter Reed
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:48 AM
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9. Sick.
It is also a possibility they will move their hospitals oversees to one of the bases they are building in Iraq.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:53 AM
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12. Or maybe privatize it with oh I don't know HCA Hospitals
HCA is owned by the Frist family BTW.

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crimson333 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:58 AM
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14. they said in the press conference they were building a new hospital
in Virginia and something else, I was only halfway listening
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:12 AM
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16. Hey great! Waste a standing hospital and build a new one
and everyone makes lots and lots of money. If you thought the "Big Dig" in Boston had cost and time overruns just wait until contractors get to bleed Uncle Sucker.

I know they may need "upgrades" and that it will create lots of new jobs but baby and bathwater.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:57 AM
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13. right, but they are going to a blue state (Maryland)
so that doesn't work. Plus, it's actually a good thing, financially, for DC, most of those jobs are commuters, I wager, so DC gets no taxes from them and no taxes from the land. It's a money pit for DC.

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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:34 AM
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4. What I am wondering is ...
the loss gain in which branch of military. I looked at SC and the Naval Offices in Charleston are all going.... And the Army base is gaining. So where are those naval officers going to go? I think it needs a more thourough break down before assuming that just a loss gain would add more votes for red states.

note: ironically our Charleston port is where plutonium comes in and then is driven up to our nuclear plant at Savannah. So now we will have plutonium coming in with no overal military protection at all. Just something to think about ;)
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:34 AM
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5. when you say "personnel" are you saying...
...members of the military (probably will be reassigned - maybe to Iraq?) or government employees (whose jobs will be cut?)?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:49 AM
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10. Both.
It is military and civilian personnel.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:35 AM
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6. Hawaii is a blue state. n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:52 AM
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11. Thanks missed it.
Fixing figures now.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:39 AM
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7. Hey, maybe my Maine can now give you a new Senator in '06
Snowe is a fixture. But since we have an "all blue" state now (Govenor, both houses of legislature, etc.) and Snowe isn't able to save Portsmouth, this could mean a shot at her. However, as I mentioned in another post, I think some of these might be a "set up". In other words, Snowe ends up saving the day and rides to victory. I think Maine going soooo totally blue in '04 kind of shocked the GOP and maybe this is their way of making sure that in the end there is no knocking off of Olympia........
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:40 AM
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8. Oh, p.s. to my post--could be a way to bargain with Olympia, too
Maybe they will help Olympia save the day if she starts getting on her knees and performing a "Monica" when George commands instead of being a "moderate" now and then.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:16 AM
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17. I'm freakin' Nostradamus
I told my wife this AM that this was going to be the answer.
Blues screwed. To the victor goes the spoils.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:27 PM
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18. Sominabiche
Son of a bitch. Look at that crap.
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