Christian Underground (CU) ? ... wonder where they got the idea ?

[MazeRat7]

Maybe I have not been paying attention and this is old news to you folks, but I did some reading there and can only conclude that the sites' name must be a parody.

This is but one of the "kind" articles discussing "values".....

http://www.christian-underground.com/archive/read.php?sid=1595

Seriously, these folks make our fav freeper site seem somewhat tame and boring.

I can say this, the amount of pent-up hatred being harbored by these types is reaching scary levels. Its just a matter of time until they pop and I think that is a key component of the "mood" so many others have been talking about here re: the coming striff, revolution, etc for the US. (again)

MZr7


"...but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive,
and the other would accept war rather than let it perish,
and the war came."

Abraham Lincoln, 2nd Inaugural Address
4 March 1865

[Somawas]

1. How can people that hate filled

claim to worship the guy who commanded them to love thy neighbor as thyself?

[kliljedahl]

2. They REALLY, REALLY, REALLY don't like gay people

do they? & what is that freaky eyeball thingy in the bottom right corner supposed to mean?



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[MazeRat7]

5. *LOL. There is something seriously wrong with that eyeball thingy...

I didn't notice it the first time... but like a bad wreck I had to go back and look...

That's just strange.

MZr7

[FreedomAngel82]

33. I think it means

"I got my eye on you." :\ I think it's so weird how these people are supposed to be full of love and compassion and following Jesus but yet they are so ugly inside with their hatered for other people who aren't just like them. I think it's really quite sad and disgusting.

[seabeyond]

3. i get the hate.......they have all the power, they are suppose to win

and they are still not winning. they know they arent winning. people are suppose to join them. seeing this was the way all along, but instead people are now repulsed instead of ignoring them. they cannot believe it. what else must they do to get all of us to two step with them.

[HawkerHurricane]

25. Well, duh!

The Republicans have played these guys like fiddles... "Vote for us, we share your values"... then nothing. St. Ronnie didn't do jack for them, and neither will St. George the Lesser. It's not about promoting Christian values, but about keeping the poor down, the middle stressed, and the wealthy on top. They've been suckered. Again. Just like in 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000...

Now, in case any of them are reading, I'll spell it out for them:
The plutocracy (rule by wealth) who run the Republican Party aren't interested in Jesus. They follow Mammon. They want to keep abortion legal, because they might need to get one for thier daughters. They'll make it diffucult, and they won't fund it for the poor, but they'll still be able to get one. They don't want to make too many laws against gays because too many of thier friends are gay. They have too much invested in Hollywood to crack down on them, especially the TV networks.
You've been suckered. Again. They'll play you for your votes, then screw you economically and ignore your wishes. IF you vote for Democrats, you won't get screwed economically. And, if you can convince people you're right, they'll do something for you. But you've got to be convincing; we won't pretend to support your causes to get your votes.
Your choice.
Fair Deal with the Democrats?
Or watch the Republicans deal from the bottom of the deck again?

[seabeyond]

51. i am not talking about christians thinking repug politicians

are betraying them. i am saying i think they have waited for this time for a long time. and i think what they saw when it happened was a better world, less violence, more peopple united. i think they assumed people would fall into line. that people wouldnt be speaking out cause we would be happy

instead because of what they do, by trying to convert us all, they mess with universal energies, they got the exact opposite of what they expected.

this is a complicated theory to share. maybe i need to figure out how to articulate it better.

they are pounding us with force now, because in their spirit they see they are wrong, it isnt going to work. like a little one in a tantrum. if only all this happens, then life will be perfect. it isnt perfect. and now they are trying to make it perfect by pounding it into us

basically what the army is doing in iraq. we are giving you freedom, and we will give it to you, even if we have to take all your freedom, disgrace you, kill murder and rape you. you will take this freedom by gosh, cause we know it is the best

[ebayfool]

52. I think you're onto something here. Explains the anger & petulance ...

even though they've gotten pretty much what they wanted - the Hill, the WH & working on the judicial. They were so sure that if they just got these that the whole world would fall at their feet - now they have to deal w/politicians using them (who'd a thunk !) & the rest of the world still repudiating their worldview. Kinda like the ugly duckling thinking if only they could get $$$, plastic surgery, fancy car, new wardrobe, whatever ... then everything would be happy ever after. Most organized religion is , IMO, a fairytale club/group to domesticate the grownup kids - meant to entertain & inoculate w/the proper attitude (morals, etc). They're still not happy because no one's throwing flowers at their feet after they went to the generous trouble to 'free' us from our 'immoral/savage' ways/leaders & the big flood of new fundies hasn't appeared in the church doors. I really think they're surprised when they blast people in the open @ god, *ush, abortion, their whole agenda & all they get back are incredulous stares & laughter. Most psychotics can't handle criticism or scorn, so they're just going apeshit on everybody in their reach. Or as you so aptly put it-

"...and now they are trying to make it perfect by pounding it into us."

[HawkerHurricane]

66. Yas...

I think I see, although I may disagree on details.

They are projecting thier own fears onto us.

They "know" that if they lose power, "we" will try to forcibly convert them to "our" "lies"... so they attempt to convert us the same way, never thinking that perhaps we mean what we say about diversity.

I think that being in the majority has weakened thier faith. Which obviously wasn't very strong to begin with.

[mondo joe]

4. They're running the whole country and they need an UNDERGROUND?

Does their persecution complex know no bounds????

[ComerPerro]

50. My thoughts exactly?

Underground?


Underground?



Didn't they have a major motion picture dedicated to them last year?


Why in the world would they have to be underground?



"Gee, what's Christianity? What do they believe? How do they worship? I've never heard of it! What are some examples of Christian holidays?"


Pathetic.

[Occulus]

57. It's "edgy and exciting".

:puke:

[Sapphire Blue]

6. Should be named the Anti-Christian Sewer

[undeterred]

7. Here's whats on the home page, which has barbed wire as a motif

Several people have written to me asking about this website's name, the Christian Underground, wanting to know why I would choose such a name.

I chose this name as a practical reality as well as in a small way a political statement. Being a Christian in modern America is becoming more and more a dangerous thing. Christians in the workplace, children in our schools, leaders in our community, are penalized (Some times prosecuted) for standing up for their Christian held beliefs. This trend is growing faster and faster.

We know dark days are ahead for Christians, the bible tells us this. That does not mean we cannot be active. It is not hard to envision, near in the future, when publicly discussing issues of deeply held biblical belief, that Christians will be arrested for "Hate Crimes".

Early Christians faced this as well, and they met "Underground" (Literally) to fellowship and discuss their faith.

[yankeedem]

11. Their example of "persecution"

is being forced to have gays, and liberals, and non-Christians in their presence.

Maybe they need to speak to Holocaust survivors, they could tell you about real persecution.

[kliljedahl]

12. Persecuted? I guess so.

Check out an earlier post of mine this evening. This is a good example of persecuting Fristians.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3647071&mesg_id=3647071


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[FreedomAngel82]

40. OMFG!!!

I'm so sick of these people! THEY ARE NOT BEING PERSECUTED!!!! Were THEY kicked out of church because they voted for George Bush? Are they being thrown in jail and prision camps because they're Christians?! Are they not getting jobs or holiday's off with their religious holiday's?! ARGH!

[The Magistrate]

45. Their Problem, Ma'am, Is This

They feel it their religious duty to persecute others, and where they cannot do so, honestly believe their ability to practice their religion is interfered with, and where they are rebuked or prevented from expressing the hate they feel is a basic tenet of their religious beliefs, they do honestly feel persecuted.

[Kerrytravelers]

8. Did you see this picture?

Who says they can't pray where they want? Did anyone ever say they couldn't pray? No. Never. We just don't think anyone should be forced to pray and that anyone should be shoving their religion in others faces. We don't think any one religion should have dominance over any others nd that the government should be enforcing these religious beliefs on all of us.

Doesn't seem like a lot to ask, now does it?

[undeterred]

14. bare arms, a skirt slit up the side, and a bare midriff

she'd better start praying for God's shopping guidance for teenage girls :sarcasm:

[Maru Kitteh]

16. and she has unshaven pits too

that's probably immoral.

[kliljedahl]

42. What picture?

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[racaulk]

9. CU? Wow...how original...

:sarcasm:

So Linda Kimball doesn't like the words that gay adolescents invent during the natural process of self-discovery to describe themselves? I guess she prefers the words that are thrust upon them by their peers that destroy their self-esteem and hinder that self-discovery.

:rant:

What an ignorant fucking bigot.

[lonestarnot]

10. Sheet! There really is a CU? They are great actors aren't they? Are

they hiding in caves these days to really capture the role? Because this is all it is, an act. True Christians are not that.

[alittlelark]

13. Take their survey!! R-hand side. One ? was 'how persecuted

are Christians today in America?'

[kliljedahl]

17. Just did it

Name: JQ Blowjob
E-mail: [e-mail]
State: OHOH



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[Syncronaut Seven]

29. I'm Herod

A social conservative from Alabama, registered as a Socialist.

Are christians persecuted today (1-10)2.

Question fired of to webmaster "So just when did christianity become a cult?"

Dog will set you free!

[kliljedahl]

30. Did you tell them you were dyslexic also?

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Syncronaut Seven]

36. Dyslexic?

I stand by my original statement. :evilgrin:

[kliljedahl]

38. Old joke

There was a Dyslexic, Agnostic, Insomniac.

He stayed awake all night wondering if there was a Dog.

Sorry, bad joke. Thought that's what you might be referring to.


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[Wilms]

47. Me, too.

[Tracyjo]

35. My dog has a Hotmail address

She just filled out the survey and sent the administrators a nice letter of approval. Awww, what a sweet dog. SNARK! SNARK! I'm going to hell.

[Maru Kitteh]

15. OK, that was boring as hell

sooooooooooo predictable they are.

[UdoKier]

18. Another CU?

Wow, the obsessive stalker-losers in that other RW sewer will have their panties in a wad over that...

[Joey Liberal]

19. Christians have become hate mongers

What is wrong with these people? Jesus did not preach hatred. Fuck them.

[Sapphire Blue]

32. THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS... they do not follow the teachings of Jesus

They are hate-filled fascist theocratic dominionists... or Talibangelists (as someone else referred to them), They are NOT Christians.

[Syrinx]

20. LOOK AT THIS!!!

christian-underground.com is registered to:

xyz123
PO Box 28
Wapiti, WY 82450
US

xyz123.com is registered to:

OSSI Global (XYZ7-DOM)
6114 LaSalle Ave.
#298
Oakland, CA 94611
US

Go to http://www.ossi.com, and what do you see, under "what's new"?

"OSSI beginning development on turnkey polling/voting system"

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. A PO box in Wyoming???

Anybody else detect the evil presence of Dark Overlord Uncle Dick himself?

[chalky]

34. Hmmmmm......I think this deserves further investigation... n/t

[Liberty Belle]

39. Kick! Nominating.

[stevedeshazer]

43. Also, look at their list of links

* doug bandow
* brent bozell
* david broder
* william f. buckley
* linda chavez
* ann coulter
* larry elder
* don feder
* james glassman
* bill gertz
* tony kornheiser
* charles krauthammer
* david limbaugh
* rush limbaugh
* michelle malkin
* oliver north
* robert novak
* john podhortez
* paul craig roberts
* debra saunders
* phyllis schlafly
* william safire
* thomas sowell
* walter williams
* cal thomas
* matt drudge

This has ASTROTURF written all over it.

[chalky]

44. Okay, NOW I think this might deserve its own post. n/t

[Liberty Belle]

46. I just created one in the election reform section. Link here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x368598

[stevedeshazer]

49. Good idea n/t

[ebayfool]

54. Maybe you should also post it in GD-Politics - more DUers that like to ...

investigate (luv 'em!) might see it there. Kind of an all hands on deck thread - this looks most promising!:kick:

[Liberty Belle]

48. OSS was the predecessor to the CIA.

Could this be connected?

[harpo]

53. xyz123.org...NOT xyz123.com - nothing to see here people

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. xy123.org are the hosts for Traditional Values Coalition

and if you go to x123.org's website, you find the same picture of a child that Christian Underground uses (the son of the site designer, Alain Lange), and both TVC and CU listed as clients. TVC links to all of CU's 'articles'.

Now, you may think it's slightly hypocritical for a site that claims to speak "on behalf of over 43,000 churches", and has its own "California Lobbyist and legislative analyst", to set up another one which whines how persecuted Christians are, and that they're being driven underground. I just think this proves that Rev. Sheldon has a split personality, and should be locked up in a secure institution for his own (and everybody else's) good.

[Liberty Belle]

58. Watch for Raw Story to cover this.

I sent it to LaLa and she's on the trail.

[AntiCoup2K4]

21. I can tell you this much: They banned Jesus Christ there after ONE post

And all He said was "Greetings, My children"

Now how Christian was that?

[Occulus]

59. Oh dear

What if it was Him?

/snark

[mwb970]

22. I was almost impressed when one article said this...

Beware of political cheerleading. A former governor of my state was the darling of the religious right. Evangelicals sang his praises as he led in prayer before political rallies and fought for all the issues the conservative Church took seriously. Then he was photographed returning from Paris with his girlfriend. Then the messy divorce. Then the mocking of the churched people who had stood by him all the while as the "liberal media" chased after him. He said C'mon, you knew the truth all along. The real truth was this -- evangelicals are prone, like everyone else, to cheerlead their candidate instead of calling their favorite politicians into accountability.

But then they followed it with this...

Important stuff to remember of the current evangelical resident of the Oval Office, who appoints homosexuals to high offices and signs bills awarding money to Planned Parenthood.

http://www.christian-underground.com/archive/read.php?sid=1585

[TalkingDog]

23. DU THIS POLL!

on the home page.

Right Side Bar toward the bottom. Skew the results PLEASE!

[snowbear]

37. Do you mean that questionnare on there?

Or is there actually a poll? I saw a questionnare.. Can't find anything else though :shrug:

[TalkingDog]

41. He's taking tally of the results....I'd call that a poll.

How do you feel about...

Homosexual Marriage *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion
Abortion *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion
Secular Humanism taught in schools *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion
Abstinence Education *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion
So Called 'Hate Crimes' Legislation *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion
Social Liberal Politicians *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion
The ACLU *
Strongly Support
Support
Oppose
Strongly Oppose
No opinion

[Liberal In Texas]

62. Just did.

This might just deserve another "DU This Poll" someplace...Think?

[Syncronaut Seven]

24. Excuse me, doesn't this conflict with actual history?

"Where America's traditional form of equality is blind to distinctions of color, sex, and individual nature, "

[Lexingtonian]

27. The "Christian" religious power monopoly is coming to an end

and it's giving them the vapors.

Did you see all the pictures of non-white people on their site?
Oh wait- there weren't any!
I guess only the 65% of the American population that is Caucasian needs to be appealed to and catered to.

[Mrs_Beastman]

28. What's this 'I will pray when I want, persecute me at own peril' crap?

I have no problem with them praying, but, the last time I checked, you could pray without making a spectacle of yourself and annoucing to the world you are praying.....I'm preaty sure there is a passage in the bible about not acting all pious in public to boast and show-off (I'm paraphaseing, off course)

[kineneb]

56. Here is the quote you needed:

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they mey be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.
But when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
-Matthew 6:5-6 (King James) Part of the Sermon on the Mount, which also includes the Beautitudes.

I think that just about says it all, right from the Gospels themselves. These folks just ain't following the teaching of Jesus very well.

[Mrs_Beastman]

67. thank you

[Kerrytravelers]

31. The persecuted "christians" on the death penalty.

Right To Life: We believe that every human deserves the right to life—from conception to death—and that we do not have the right to kill unborn children nor to murder the elderly through active euthanasia. We do, however, support the death penalty. The Bible is clear that the government has the responsibility to provide for peace and security for its people. We also believe the government has the power to take the lives of those who murder others and to wage war against our enemies.







So, prison isn't supplying us with peace and security.

I guess Iraqi children and elderly don't count in their rtl manifesto because innocent children are our sworn enemies... even though their country didn't attack us.

[Dave Reynolds]

55. Just another fuggin

CUmstain. Have to call then CUmstains #1 and #2.

[anitar1]

60. I have a theorary about these types.

Pre Ronald Raygun, these folks would have been held in mental instutions, and received medication and treatment of some sort. Since he turned all the mentally ill out on the streets, this is what we end up with. Some of these weirdo's are probably the spawn of the "turned away". It is a waste of time to try and understand the twists and turns of their minds. We never will. One cannot reason with, or possibly understand such sick minds. IMO , they are dangerous because they are obsessed with fear and hatred, just as the Third Reich was.

[MazeRat7]

61. These people are breeding and may be a catalyst for future change...

Pretty much each one of you has mentioned a component of my sentiments about such angry, hate-filled people. Daily I see such Cretans and their "tribes" causing grief and anguish to our society and the planet in which we live. The conflict within my own person is significant in that I do value all life and I know in my heart that all sentient beings have worth. But when confronted with such abject ignorance and hatred it is so very difficult to see that worth and often times I tend to fly to the other extreme questioning why we allow them to continue breeding as if somehow I (we) could pick and choose our own interdependencies.

I was thinking about the movie "The Matrix".. when they are trying to crack Morpheus. The agent basically says (and I paraphrase) "You humans aren't really mammals, all the other mammals on this planet have learned and found an equilibrium with their environment. But not you humans. You consume your resources until they are exhausted and then you move on to consume others. There is however another organism that exhibits similar behavior. Its called a virus. A cancer. You humans are a cancer on this planet bent on destroying everything you come in contact with".....

My concern is that universal laws are just that. Universal. I am thinking now about entropy and the second law of thermodynamics which suggests that systems naturally progress from order to disorder. If so, how do biological systems develop and maintain such a high degree of order? Is this a violation of the second law of thermodynamics? Or are we on the brink of a major "release" or "shift" that will lead us from our current state of "order" to one of "disorder" ? Are these people, with their belief systems, just one of the catalyst of this change that is inevitable ?

I don't know these answers, but I do know they need additional discussion. Maybe someday in the future we can have that conversation... but for now I personally think universal law is in control and we are but participants in the inevitable clash that so many societies before us have also experienced.

I know I cant control what others do and that I can only control my reaction to to them. This makes me really sad because I think things are going to get a whole lot worse for us as "humans" before they get any better.....but then that is just my $.02. Don't let me rain on your parade. *smile.


MZr7

*peace

[Gelliebeans]

63. CU is registered with OSSI

A voting and software company but I found this interesting tidbit on the CEO of OSSI (who is affliated with Christian Underground)

http://www.christian-underground.com/

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/9711125.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp&1c
*snip at bottom of the page

Cyrus Baseghi thinks that upstart voting machine makers can carve out a niche by using the political controversy to their advantage. He is president of OSSI, a 15-person company specializing in point-of-sale software that first dipped into voting to do a ballot system for a Lake Tahoe homeowners association.

OSSI has diverted about 25 percent of its resources to developing a touch-screen system and an ATM-like voting machine, Baseghi said. The company hopes to be ready in 2006 to market them primarily to small, cash-strapped counties.

"We've kind of laid low," he said. "We haven't been targeted such as Diebold has been, so some counties might go with us just because we don't have the bad rap."

--- This smells like a giant rat---- they will use their system for cash strapped counties, so I wonder which counties will draw the short straw?

[Raksha]

64. I clicked on the link, but three minutes or less was all I could take.

I will NEVER understand this stuff about how gay civil rights are supposed to "eradicate" a fixed-sex orientation. I'm a heterosexual female...always have been that way and always will be. The fact that some people are gay/lesbian has *NO* effect on that one way or the other.

[NMMNG]

68. What a bunch of garbage

Just another bunch of whackjobs hanging around posting virulent hatred designed to infect people with fundi-itis.

I love their little slogans...."nobody can stop me from praying any where, blah blah blah". As if there have ever been any attempts by anyone to keep people from praying anywhere ever!

[Deja Q]

69. They're not underground; they're in power. And I ought to ask them some

questions, like I did elsewhere tonight. But they'd ban me more quickly than you can say "grunt".