TO ALL THE NAYSAYERS: if you really, truly believe all is hopeless...

[BigBearJohn]

why do you even bother to post here on DU?
Is it a matter of "misery enjoys company?"

I notice that some good ideas are presented on DU. Then somebody
posts an "oh, what's use" type of post... implying that any effort
by any DUer is hopeless. My point is, if a person posting such
an attitude TRULY believe it is hopeless (e.g., it's hopeless
trying to fight the GOP), then why do they even bother posting here?

Just curious...

[IrateCitizen]

1. "Hopeless" in what regard????

You need to be a bit more specific if you want anyone to answer you.

[RandomKoolzip]

2. Even if hope is a placebo, it's still better than living in misery.

[forgethell]

14. I gotta disagree.

If hope isn't supported by at least a possibility of success and a plan to achieve it, it is worthless. We've got to live in the real world, which means we've got to face the real facts and deal with them. Fantasy may fun, but it wins no elections. While you're jaywalking in a dream world, the Rovemobile will run you down.

[uppityperson]

3. I think many things are hopeless, but have to try.

I post my frustrations and get encouraging support to keep on. But I know what you mean. Maybe a "naysayers group" would be in order.

[Melodybe]

4. Whatever I do a petition table once and week on the Ole Miss campus

republicans are pissed and getting more pissed as time moves on.

If you think everything is so helpless I'm sorry for you. But for god's sake quit whining and do something, petition for verified voting, write a letter to your local paper, call your senators and congress people #202 224 3121, start handing out articles on things that our media is purposely not covering, something, anything.

There are things to be done, so get off your ass and do them, if you've got time to complain you've got time to work.

[BigBearJohn]

5. Thanks Melodybe! THAT's the kind of post we NEED here on DU

[uppityperson]

13. Not "helpless" but hopeless

And I am doing something, not for god's sake, but for ours. I think you missed the fact that even though I think things are Hopeless, I am still trying and working for positive things. Please do not be so fast to react in such a negative tone to my posting. This would help encourage in a more positive manner. Sounds like you are frustrated with the naysayers groupies too.

[Bandit]

6. I feel it is hopeless to believe the US Debt will be paid off this

year. :shrug: I guess I am being a bit pessimistic but hey!!!

[bryant69]

7. There's too types of negative posts

One is when a person genuinely thinks that a tactic or an idea or an argument isn't supportable. The other is defeatism, pure and simple. If a post is critical, well that's good - either you are wrong (although, of course that is unlikely) or it is an opportunity for you to sharpen your arguments.

Defeatists posts serve no purpose other than to give Karl Rove a little thrill as he scans down each day.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[BigBearJohn]

8. Well, my post is directed at defeatists. Thanks for the clarification.

I welcome argument.
I'm a firm believer in the old adage,
"Either you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution."

[forgethell]

9. I can't speak for others, but

I post my criticisms of some of the more inane ideas here on DU because, well, they're inane. Not to mention destructive. What good do they do? I am referring specifically to the election "fraud" meme. Maybe it happened; maybe it didn't. But it's going nowhere with the electorate until we can pull some proof together. Not "studies". Not anecdotal evidence, either. Of course there was some piddly-ass fraud going on, on both sides most likely. Of course there was incompetence by election officials in mostly Democratic precincts. This probably says something different to most people that hear it than it does to most of us.

But there is no evidence whatever that GWB was involved in it. There is no evidence whatever that what fraud did occur was enough to swing the election.

Not only does concentrating on this fantasy keep us from looking at our party, our candidates, out strategy & tactics, and our philosophies to determine what needs to be changed in order to win; it also makes us look ridiculous to reasonable people who have no partisan dog in this fight.

[BigBearJohn]

10. You don't fall into the above stated category. I am talking about people

who offer NO solutions other than defeatism.

[forgethell]

11. Maybe

they're trolls. Maybe they're off their meds. Maybe they took a good look at the reality of our situation and cracked. Who knows why people do what they do?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

21. Check your inbox. (nt)

[ihaveaquestion]

12. What Keeps Me Going is Pure Pigheaded Stubborness

and my inner 2-yr old saying to the RWingnuts "You ain't the boss of me!"

:evilgrin:

[BigBearJohn]

17. I love it!!!! we need more stubborness!!!

[dogday]

15. I think sometimes people lose faith in the party but only for

a minute, that is what this board is about. For us to support each other in our beliefs.

[Just Me]

16. The defeatists are merely spectators; the activists are participants,...

,...in a game where the objective is to advance the best interests of humanity and democracy.

Sure, the immoral and greed-laden corporacrats have a LOT of power. They have leeched off the rest of humanity for forty years. But, without their "consumers", without the cooperation of the rest of us,...they lose their power.

We are living in an age where the ability to communicate empowers us more than any time in history. We ARE powerful. Now, it's time to apply that power,...to activate that power. There is no excuse for cynicism or defeatism or resignation. There is no TIME for anymore cynicism or defeatism or resignation!

[amazona]

18. because even if you feel something is hopeless...

...sometimes you are looking for someone to convince you otherwise and give you new hope.

Another thing I sometimes see is people who appear to be depressed just venting a little.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[natrat]

19. ok if ELECTRONIC VOTE FRAUD is not addressed

it really is hopeless

[ChickMagic]

20. There are days

when I feel like we've gone off the cliff. The nature of this criminal administration sometimes overwhelms me. I commiserate with DUers, get cheered up, and go back out to fight the good fight. This is my hope filling station. :)

[hholli1]

22. I don't think I've posted enough here to change the tone...

of any particular thread, but since there *IS* something I am completely cynical about, I thought I'd chime in.

While I think there is merit to changing the minds of otherwise level-headed Americans, I do REALLY, REALLY (x 100) feel that eliminating electronic votingwith no paper trail is the key to saving our democracy.

Once THEY control who COUNTS the vote, they do indeed control who WINS the vote.

The American public is asleep about this somehow.