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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:11 PM
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Anyone else noticing the coordinated attack on FDR's legacy?
They tried to destroy Social Security, and failed miserably.

Now, they're going after the legacy of the man who gave it to us...painting him as some kind of reckless loose cannon.

Just this past weekend, Bush (being the noted historical scholar he is) told all of Europe that FDR was basically to blame for the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe. And on the right-wing echo chamber, I'm hearing over and over again about the "mistakes" FDR made.

Why is this suddenly an issue 60 years later? Isn't anyone else even remotely curious about this?

We have to fight back. We can't just sit there while people like Grover Norquist try to convince America that a man with advanced Alzheimer's disease was the greatest president of the last century.

Democrats don't have much these days, but we do have the legacy of one of the men who literally helped save the world. Do not let anyone tarnish it on your watch.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:13 PM
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1. Because these people want to OWN history, as a way to own reality.
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:17 PM by Zenlitened

Seriously. It's a shame the word "Orwellian" has become something of a cliché, because everything you need to know about the radical right is contained in "1984."

:scared:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:14 PM
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2. Yup. The rethuglicans hate FDR and everything he stood for....
..as evidenced by Lt AWOL's actions of the last 5 years...
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:32 PM
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10. According to Kitty Kelly's biography of the BFEE
the entire family has always hated FDR. They've just been waiting for a chance like this. Bastards.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:15 PM
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3. to fight back, help spread AAR
nothing else reaches the passive millions who need "push" media

push is media that does not require the passive to type up a site or go to a library.

websites are "pull ' media.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:21 PM
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4. Those who control the past control the future, those who control
the present control the past.

That's why Reagan, the president whose cabinet was the most investigated, indicted, and convicted in our history, is a hero, and FDR is a goat. THis attack on FDR isn't new. Gingrich tried to roll back the whole New Deal in the 90s. Trent Lott attacked FDR when he said how much would be different if Strom Thurmond had won the presidency. It's common amongst the far right to condemn him. For some sick reason, they think that undermining him will help them "lower" taxes.

They are so damned clueless. It's like watching my six year old try to explain to me why ice cream really is a healthier vegetable than brocolli. In her mind she's right, regardless of the facts. Republicans are just six year olds arguing with adults, but since the Lord of the Flies became president, the childen are in charge, and anyone with a clue as to what's going on are laughed at.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:25 PM
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6. Exactly.
"since the Lord of the Flies became president, the childen are in charge, and anyone with a clue as to what's going on are laughed at."


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P.S. I bet your six year old would easier convince me that ice cream is a healthier vegetabhle than anything * ever says!

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:33 PM
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11. I do believe
that's the most laughs in a single post I've ever received! Thanks!
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:23 PM
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5. Yes, I've been noticing it as well. It's coordinated, and determined.
If they can tarnish the man, it becomes all that much easier to trash the programs that are his legacy to all of us.

They just want to put all of our history, pride and love down the memory hole as they remake America in their own twisted image.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:27 PM
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7. sure...
This assault on FDR is utterly predictable. The nutjobs have been working overtime for decades to paint liberals as demons, as bad for the country, as reckless and out of touch, as dangerous to our national security.

People still love FDR and he's the last bastion of liberalism the rightwingers have to take down for their public relations massacre to be successful. This was as inevitable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:28 PM
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8. Yup. Even the heavily promoted History Channel special...
...was about his "secrecy", which serves both to tar him for hiding things from the American people, and provides a faux precedence for *'s nigh-Soviet-grade secrecy.
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WalrusSlayer Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:53 PM
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17. Especially ironic...
...since one of the first things * did was to change the rules on the public release of his private papers generated during his presidency. I don't remember the details, but they are normally made public after some number of years (10? 15?), but as of now, Bush gets to keep his secrets indefinitely.

But hey, if it works to smear FDR for his "secrecy"...
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:30 PM
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9. Did you notice that tomorrow Shrub is visiting Tbilisi, Georgia?
The birthplace of another master of deception, good ol' Joe Stalin.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:35 PM
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12. I'm wondering when we'll start hearing "FDR knew about Pearl Harbor"
It's been a while since I've heard that gem. I guess it's just a matter of time.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:40 PM
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15. It's the projection thing again
FDR could have prevented Pearl Harbor, FDR went after Germany first and not the people who attacked us, FDR ran big deficits, FDR didn't set the country on a sound fiscal system....
It's all projection. Bush's own mistakes get projected on his opponents, even dead ones.

The worst lie they can make up about FDR is that he is as bad as Bush.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:37 PM
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13. I have noticed it too.
It really sticks in their craw (I think that's how the saying goes) that FDR has consistently been regarded as one of our countries greatest Presidents and the best they can come up with is Reagan. (Linclon doesn't really count as a Republican because that party was so different then). I have always thought this is one of the main reasons they want to dismantle Social Security. They'd like to dismantle all memory of FDR. They can't stand that he is considered a great President! I find it hilarious the efforts on the part of Bush's handlers to try and make him out FDR FDR and out Churchill Churchill. Its laughable and pathetic.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:38 PM
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14. Goddamn man won a war and set stage of peace and prosperity and justice
Of course Bush hates him.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:45 PM
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16. None of their puppets can get elected 4 times...
...even if the amendment were repealed. They're jealous of his legacy, and of his accomplishments. They hate it that he was a liberal too.

A bright spot...I saw this on Showtime's remake of Reefer Madness...
"President Roosevelt? Boy, my dad says he's a labor coddling, Supreme Court packing Bolshevik!" from the "nice" boy who falls for the deadly weed and has an orgy 15 minutes later!
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:56 PM
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18. They've done the same with the Kennedy's
Vilifying and demonizing our heroes. Thats SO nazi of them.
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:00 PM
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19. I think the assault is directly related to the Social Security...
issue. The Repugs figure if they can throw enough mud at FDR to tarnish his image in enough people's minds, then they can discredit his legacy. One of the principal cornerstones of his legacy is Social Security---it's part of a co-ordinated and calculated plan.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:28 PM
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20. Heard a Little of the Pill Popper Today
He was ranting about Yalta. I guess that FDR is to blame for the entire Soviet Union, and also that Alger (sp) Hess wrote our position paper for Yalta.

It's so easy to revise history isn't it. But, attacking FDR for Yalta means that you also need to attack Churchill. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "wee-cowboy" is not even qualified to carry either of these men's jockstrap.

See, I guess the message is that "ole tough guy", National Guard deserter, well...if he had been president back then, he would have just invaded Russia. Hell, we had already been through 5 years of devastating war with 100's of thousands killed and crippled, what would another 10-20, or 30 years been to the little "Kennebunkport Cowboy".

Why if we'd have just had our brave and strong George around at the end of WWII we'd have just taken over the world. Then those pesky gas prices would be under control.

UP NEXT: Bush says the "Sanhedrin was wrong to turn Christ over for crucifixion". If he had been there, Jesus would still be alive today.

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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:26 PM
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21. Kick for the late afternooners.
:kick:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:31 PM
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22. They are vandals
That's my name for them. Just like teenagers who topple gravestones for kicks, these people want to destroy not only FDR but the entire 20th century. They want oligarchy and they want it now.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:58 PM
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23. They said they loved FDR before the election. That is called 'forced
teaming'. Where they pretend to be in the same boat as Americans in terms of respect for FDR. Then, as soon as they get elected they try and undo all he did.

Then they attack him as a person. Blame him for communism in the East.

Then they have all of your 'liberal/moderate' totems. And they leave you with Ralph Nader.

They are grandiose. Rove of course wants to replace FDR (greatest president) with his own dam 'reworking' of America.

It is an illness indeed.

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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:48 PM
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24. Come to think of it, Coulter's been attacking FDR for months now.
You know what, I put two and two together and figure out what is going on...and it's so outlandish that I feel like some kind of paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Our reality today is so much more bizarre than any fiction.
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