The rightwingers are picking up on the story about the NC Church:

[Maat]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44152

HeHeHe - I wondered how long it would take 'em.

Am reading it right now - I want to know what the spin is.

[libnnc]

1. fifty bucks says the first paragraph mentions

"activist internet bloggers"

[Maat]

17. Well, they quoted the Daily Kos ...

take a look.

[Dave Reynolds]

34. I think the Daily Kos summed it up nicely. /nt

[Maat]

35. As always.

[Cleita]

2. Randi picked it up and right

now she has a religious nut on arguing with her about religion and creation being taught in the schools.

[DanCa]

5. I caught the last part of that .

They guy was starting to back pedal big time. Funny I also thought of science as the how and the when and religion as the why and the who.
BTW has Randi brought up the church thing? I just got home from shopping.

[Elle Woods]

3. This one is going to be very difficult to spin if you ask me.

But they never cease to amaze me with their ability to twist and distort.

[emanymton]

6. It's Clinton' fault.

[TahitiNut]

10. We gotta support "God's Own Pretzledent" (GOP)

:puke:

[Eloriel]

4. Good article; no spin that I could see

Someone feel free to point out what I may have missed.

This is one reason why I object to people who OBJECT to Worldnet Daily being quoted here. Sometimes they actually have pretty good coverage; other times it's coverage you won't see elsewhere but is important because it shows rightwing stuff; etc.

[Maat]

7. Well, I agree with you.

I enjoy researching and writing about the Religious Wrong (theocratic right).

I read the sites frequently.

These sites let me know what's in their heads.

Obviously, I disagree with the vast majority of what they say.

It looks like a hurried post here; you're right - they didn't have time for spin.

It will be interesting how things pan out over the next few days.

I agree that quoting a site merely permits us to refine our arguments; by quoting, I'm not agreeing with them. They represent great material to refute, generally.

[me b zola]

15. I agree, it was a good article

They quoted Kos & Kos posters in a favorable light.

[pnorman]

31. I used to have a very negative opinion of them,

mainly because a far-right whacko on my union BBS was forever quoting from it (like it was gospel!). A short while ago, I had posted that item on that BBS, hoping to get his goat.

But I can see now where they're coming from --- a more or less traditional conservative position ... ie: wrong-headed or not, they have PRINCIPLES. Check out http://antiwar.com, and you'll see a LOT of such traditional right-wingers who post there. And they're all prominent people.

Thanks for helping me come to that realization.

pnorman

[emanymton]

8. Radical Clerics Rejoice. Jesus Need Not Apply.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. "Bush is the Second Coming of Christ!"

This is what a child shouted to us war protestors in 2003, with the smiling approval of his mother. I thought it was an isolated incident, but it is obvious it is not.

Going to the altar and repenting...sounded to me like the minister had agreed with what this kid said.

[DanCa]

11. Bush is more like Aries.

Wasn't he the god of madness riches and war? These pigs (i dont mean too insult pigs) have got to be stopped now.

[Maat]

12. You are just kidding!

Some kid said that to you?

Oh, man. I am laughing so hard now.

I think Social Services should intervene - Mom's rotting his brain!

(Just kidding.)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. No joke

The mother was in a van and kept driving around the courthouse square where we were protesting, calling us traitors and telling us to "go back to Iraq where we came from". She had a boy and girl with her. We answered, "You have the right to practice free speech, just like we do." Apparently she figured we hadn't gotten the message, because she left, and a few minutes later, here comes her boy on a bicycle. He circled the block a couple of times, saying Bush was great-we responded in our usual way. And then he said the words I quoted in my thread-and was very pleased with himeself because no one answered him.

Later that day a middle aged woman came across the street and spat on us, calling us traitors. We said "You have the Constitutional right to free speech--" and before we could finish, she turned around and mimed using the Consitution as toilet tissue and uttered an explative about said document. The deputy sheriff came over and got her away-he knows us and knew we weren't going to do anything, but the woman was ready to claw us with her fingernails.

I think these people have been cloned and spread around the South. Or maybe they are related to that minister....

[Maat]

23. Oh, dear. Sorry, I'm laughing .. I know I shouldn't be.

[Fire Walk With Me]

29. Was it a white van, and was she also selling high-quality loudspeakers?

These people are everywhere. Sorry for the tangent.

[Pathwalker]

18. Sorry, that child is not alone in her sentiments.

My cousin, the closest thing to a sister I have, recently agreed that, even if George Bush IS the Anti-Christ - it's only because he loves Jesus SOOOOO much that he is willing to play that part.

So, here's where the right-wing, religiously insane really are these days: They've ACCEPTED him being the Anti-Christ, and they love him even more for bringing them "The End of The World" they so desperately seek.
Go figure.

Don't worry, though - THEY are the ones in control of America's Nuclear Arsenal! :nuke:

[Maat]

24. Laughing out loud!

Thanks for the comforting words.

Come to think of it, the talk about North Korea is amping up.

[bush_is_wacko]

13. This Jihad has been a long time in coming...I'm amazed we haven't seen

stories like this BEFORE now. They were preaching this crap over a year ago at the "non-denominational" evangelical church I attended. THIS is WHY the GOVERNMENT shouldn't be giving tax breaks to CHURCHES! IT IS POLITICAL FOLKS! WHEN MONEY IS INVOLVED IT'S ALWAYS POLITICAL!

This was emailed to everyone I know!

[Maat]

16. I relate to what you are saying.

I kind of kept an eye on things for the year before the election. When my neighbor would spout the Rethuglican talking points right after going to church, I knew what was going on.

Awfully hard to get something that can be forwarded on to AU though (Americans United for Separation of Church and State) - they take a look and will make a report to the IRS if it is warranted.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

14. Today the fundies purge the evil liberals from the church

Tomorrow, they'll be purging them from society.

[hobbit709]

19. Let 'em try purging me

"Your status in hell is determined by the size of the honor guard you take with you"-RAH. When they come for me I ain't going alone.

[bush_is_wacko]

21. Yep, That's their goal! This is the new age CRUSADE

They equate "liberals" and democrats with witches, warlocks, demons, and heretics! They THINK their numbers are bigger than they are however. Many have sat in those churches listening to the filth they spew and decided to try the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Now they won't be able to lie by omission. Are American churchgoers really ready to start all out war in the streets with their neighbors do you think? Typically MOST liberals have a "live and let live" policy. are they ready to FINALLY stand up and tell these delusional Bible beaters THEY are the TRUE minority?

[depakid]

22. Why any Dem would want to go to a Southern Babtist

church to begin with is beyond me.

[Maat]

25. I hear you.

I am a person of faith (Church of Religious Science with an occasional visit to UU), but I investigated the top administration - before I went to my churches - to make sure I didn't mind my money flowing upwards to the staff there.

One may be a liberal Southern Baptist, but one's money is flowing upwards to the likes of Richard Land and Albert Mohler, via their administrative positions. I couldn't live with that.

And, has anyone read the SBC's (Southern Baptist Convention's) resolutions on wives and homosexuality? Stunning, horrible.

I say this knowing that my in-laws moved from the West Coast to the Midwest and BECAME Southern Baptists; needless to say my hubby does most of the talking to them now.

[KamaAina]

26. You got me. Ask Bill Clinton, or Al Gore, or maybe Jimmy Carter.

good Dems all, and Southern Baptists in (for the moment, anyway) good standing.

[mitchum]

28. Carter has left the Southern Baptist "church"

Good for him

[charlyvi]

30. He didn't leave the Baptist Church

He just left churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. There are Baptist churches that have broken off from the Convention, seeking a more moderate stance on equal rights, separation of church and state, etc.

Here's a link:

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/20/carter.baptists.ap/

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

36. many Democrats are Southern Baptists

they are all not lunatics. Some actually practice Christianity-you know, love your neighbor, don't judge, etc. etc. Quite a few of them in Southern Illinois.

[QC]

40. Good point. You would never know it from some of the posts around here,

but quite a few evangelicals are Democrats, upwards of 40%. I honestly think that many people here would rather concede them to the GOP.

[Swamp Rat]

27. They may get their wish

[BeFree]

32. Newsflash! This just In...

It's about Abortion. It's about "dems killing babies."

That's what the preacher's father just said on tv. These are some of the same people who are pissed that Rudolph got time for his bombings.. go figure.

[Name removed]

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[dddem]

37. In all fairness,

before this turns into another north v south thing, I'm from Massachusetts, and believe me, there are just as many ignorant, homophobic, bigoted, arrogant, self righteous idiots here! Trust me, hate is universal. We need to work hard to try to make our message heard over all the shouting.
Peace.

[southlandshari]

38. Not really sure

what this thread has to do with Southerners in general. I believe there are religious fundamentalists and right wing reactionaries in each of our respective states these days.

:shrug:

[katinmn]

42. too true. and it's not just fundamentalists

The Catholic Church is at it, too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x10124

[QC]

39. The Village Idiot's family's as Northeastern Establishment as you can get,

so letting the South "sucede" wouldn't have done you much good.

Speaking of village idiots, how's Santorum working out for you folks?

[autorank]

41. Well, the South is going no where now! I'm in it and plan to stay.

Grew up in CA, lived in NY, and now I'm in No. Virginia (for many years), a blue beacon in a state about to turn blue. I get nervous when I hear this 'secede' talk.

Remember a couple of things:

In the war of 1812, there was substantial New England sympathy for the British expressed and even the notion of New England setting itself up as a separate nation. We don't bash them today for that.

In the Civil War, the rights of all Americans were protected by maintaining the union. Talk about a travesty. Iimagine the pain in the South if the union fell apart.

This incident may have occurred in the south but remember, every day in California, Free Republic publishes and does it's thing. Are we going to get rid of them too.

:hi:

[AnnInLa]

43. H.R. 235 would allow pastors to get political in the pulpit

good discussion in LBN....go look at the sponsors and see if your congresspeople are there.

[dogday]

44. Here is a little Info on HR 235

http://www.hr235.org/