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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:44 AM
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A BIG HUG for DU gays from 2 PEOPLE who DO NOT GIVE ONE SINGLE
DAMN about what sex either sex prefers to jump.

Being a GOOD PERSON has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with what sex either sex prefers to jump.

From me;

HUGS!!!

:hug:

From my hubby;

HUGS!!!

:hug:

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:50 AM
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1. Damn right!
I can only think of ONE INSTANCE in better than half a century when a gay person has given me ANY trouble at all. Straights are nowhere NEAR such a record in my world.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:55 AM
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2. Hugs from me too!!!!!
:hug:
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:02 AM
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3. awwwwwwwwwwwww
I'll jump in on this one, too. :hug:s all around...

(Mr. Dissenter isn't here this morning, or I'm sure he'd throw in a hug, as well... we'll do it by proxy: :hug:)
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:04 AM
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4. Why would anyone care?
:shrug:

I have no idea why what two consenting people do would be of any concern or consequence to anyone else. No idea whatsoever...

Now is the time for all good DUers to come to the aid of our GLBT brothers and sisters. The pseudo-theocratic right has declared war on the entire GLBT community and it is no less an epic struggle than the civil rights movement of 40 years ago.

I've fucking HAD IT with bigotry.:thumbsdown::mad:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:05 AM
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10. Cooley I sat here wondering the same damn thing myself. If ANYONE
asked me details about my private sex life, I'd be bloody annoyed & tell them to take a hike.

I DO NOT CARE who my neighbours or friends or enemies or anyone else in the whole entire world is sleeping with (cept my hubby :D) or married to, as long as they're all CONSENTING ADULTS.

It's no skin off MY nose!

And I really really DON'T UNDERSTAND why anyone else gives a flying!

NEWSFLASH AMERICA! THE MIDDLE AGES ARE OVER!

Sheeesh.





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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:30 AM
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45. I love that chimp/bush morph thing you've got there...
evolution gone oddly awry.
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:35 AM
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5. You know,
Sometimes it's hard to even just watch TV when day in and day out I am told that I am an immoral wretch who not only should be avoided at all costs, according to the Roy Moore crowd I should be executed. To all of you straight people out there, believe me when I say that your support does NOT go unnoticed. Thanks a million! :-)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:40 AM
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6. gosh you have the vast majority on your side
you just cannot hear it.

out of most of my repugs, they are on your side. their voice isnt heard. from my hubby and i hugest of hugs

though i am not getting op, may ought to re read, still throwing out support and love
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:08 AM
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12. THEY are the immoral ones, NOT YOU. Causing needless suffering is IMMORAL
Causing pain and hurt is IMMORAL. Sticking their sick little noses into other consenting adults' private lives is IMMORAL.

THEY are immoral. NOT YOU.

And DON'T you bloody well forget it!

Or else it's the WET NOODLE for you! :D
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:41 AM
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7. That's sweet
Thanks
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:52 AM
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8. *blush* Thanks LynnSin!
If more people would emulate you, your husband and the Matcoms, the world would be a better place.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:10 AM
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13. imo more people DO...it's just that the nasty little bastards are so much
LOUDER. Noisy little ****s.

:hug:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:55 AM
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17. I meant LynnTheDem!!!
This is what you get when you speed type when you're half awake.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:27 AM
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23. Awwwwwwww! :( *sniff*
I took the "sin" as being an endearment, like "chen" in German; Lynnchen.

And it wasn't! :cry:

Feel bad now? :D Geeez I gotta stop playing with trolls, makes me mean! LOL!

I'm just teasing ya; figured you were just sleep-posting. I do that all the time. :)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:56 AM
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9. Thanks....Some days you need all the hugs you can get....
If not for my partner and you guys at DU, some days I think I'd go nuts.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:11 AM
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15. A second helping to tide you over for a rainy day...
HUGS!!!

:hug:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:55 AM
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31. Well here's an extra hug from me.
From one of your biggest fans:

:hug:

You are one of the most decent, kindest people I've come across online. I mean that.

:hug: And one for your partner.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:12 AM
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38. Damn, I feel the love....You guys knock me out
Kind words are always welcome but you really made my day. :hug:

My guy only has 16 days left to teach this semester so he's pretty wired right now. On the plus side, he just found out yesterday he's getting an 8% raise next year, which will be his last year teaching, which will increase his retirement nicely. My brother and sister-in-law both teach too, so the whole family's feeling good right now.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:49 AM
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47. OMG that's incredible!!!!
8%???? Wow. That'll make his last year even nicer.

Any big plans for after next year? Travel? Is he going to have a retirement party?
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:04 AM
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51. The raise is the last step in a five year plan....
1%-2%-2%-3%-8% I believe. We had a Democratic governor when it passed and were really doubting he'd get the final 8% because of our new, asshole of a Rethug gov. Apparently, he caved to pressure.

After next year, he wants to get into real estate (he loves old houses) and we'll definitely travel as much as possible. We already have plans to celebrate by spending a week in Amsterdam with another couple of guys in the summer of 2006! I'm already pumped for that!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:16 AM
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53. Well color me jealous!
You will have a great time, I'm sure.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:07 AM
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11. More Hugs From MarianJack and ChicaAzul!
We stand with you, Gays and Lesbians. And WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

:toast: :thumbsup: :hi: :loveya: :pals: :headbang: :yourock: :woohoo: :patriot: :grouphug: :hug:
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:11 AM
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14. Being a Good Person it's just sex that matters
well good shoes count as well
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:36 AM
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16. Rock on Gay people!
I think the world is a much better place with everybody. It's only a matter of time when our culture will evolve to accept (I hate the word tolerate) everyone. How can anyone find fault in love? It drives me crazy.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:13 PM
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67. Consider me rockin' on!
thanks for the support. :headbang:
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:59 AM
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18. Love the one you're with, etc.
:headbang:
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:06 AM
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19. Another straight-but-not-narrow DUer here.
On behalf of the ignorant 51% of this country, I apologize to all the gays and lesbians out there for our poor behavior towards you of late.

I don't think you are immoral. I support your right to marry, have children, and love who you want.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:27 AM
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90. ... and hey D.E.W...
don't forget, it's only 51 percent because they count the votes..
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:12 AM
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20. Not gay, but gay-friendly
I've often thought that the gay community should add a white stripe to the middle of the rainbow flag for tolerant straight people to indicate their support for the gay community's struggle for acceptance.

Solidarity.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:31 AM
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25. Oooh love that idear!
Edited on Thu May-05-05 08:32 AM by LynnTheDem
I wanna be a stripe!!! :)

Edit: Does anyone know how to do that? Add a stripe and set up as an icon?
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:48 AM
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28. I will do one this weekend...
...unless someone beats me to it!

Thank you so much for a wonderful thread. Sometimes we really need to see support. It just gets so hard being slammed all over the place for just loving another human being.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:11 AM
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37. COOL! Thanks!!!
I'm gonna get a stripe! I'm gonna get a stripe! :)

You're very welcome but no need for any thanks...YOU DESERVE HUGS. :)

HUGS!!!

:hug:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:15 AM
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52. Accept and celebrate each other. I'm on this bandwagon too.
Take heart, anyone out there feeling like outcasts.

Eventually 95% of us will be outcast and on the 'inside' will be just a handful of people with very small hearts.

Solidarity.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:13 AM
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21. Agreed!
Is it just me, or is there an increased amount of homophobia on the boards lately--and I'm straight as an arrow, btw?!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:26 AM
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22. I love my GLBT brothers and sisters!
I stand with you my wonderful friends. :hugs:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:30 AM
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24. Yep. Ya'll don't deserve the hypocritical bashing against you!!!
:hug: Hang in there!!! :bounce:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:38 AM
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26. Gotta tell my hubby's gay story...
He was a roomie with this friend of his for several years. This was long ago, when he first joined the US military.

So after a few years his friend was getting out and said to Gary "I have to tell you something about me".

And Gary thought "oh crap, he's taken my credit card and maxed it...or even worse, he took photos that time I got stinkin' drunk..."

His friend said "This is going to shock and upset you...but I'm gay. I always have been gay."

So Gary's mouth drops open in total disbelief and shock. Roomie says "Told you you'd be shocked and upset!"

Gary said "DAMN RIGHT I'm shocked and upset!!! All these years...and not one pass??? Sure I'd have said no, I'm not that way inclined...BUT WHAT AM I, CHOPPED LIVER you don't even TRY???!!"

:rofl:

They're still good friends today and they still laugh over this. :D

(And you can see why I married Gary. ;) )

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:35 PM
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82. Like me, I was an altar boy
and not even a grope. What was wrong with me? (I was gay, and desperate and cute)
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:40 PM
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84. LOL!
The nerve of some people, huh? :D
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:40 AM
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27. you speak for me also LynnTheDem!
:hug:
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:51 AM
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29. Awwww...thanks!
After living in a small midwestern town for 11 years with my partner, I feel like I've been trying to demonstrate just what you said to the people I know here. And it's really not too hard. We're an interracial couple so we really stand out here, but once people get that we're actually just a couple of polite, normal guys, they relax.

Changing the world, one person at a time...!

Dirk :grouphug:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:53 AM
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30. That's right BIG HUGE HUGS!
I love you guys. You have all my support and Mr. Bouncy's support.

I don't drive around with that HRC sticker on my car for no reason. I want other GLBT's to know I support them. (Most other people don't have any clue what the sticker means.)

:hug:

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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:57 AM
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32. Nominated
:hug: My best friend is gay.Nice post.Thanks.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:02 AM
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33. it' only matters to me that you choose to
love-

in the face of all the bigotry and hatred that has been, and sadly IS being thrown at you-

remember those beautiful words-

"and in the end the love get, is equal to the love we make"
Love overcomes ALL things- eventually-
and nurtures and heals, and grows- what does hate reap?

hugs, and strength for the journey- you are breaking ground for the future, just as our mothers did, as MLK did, as all those who've been oppressed by the 'wrong and powerful' did, and it is not easy, but so very necessiary-
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:09 AM
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34. And lets remember that sex is the least of it...
There are many reasons why people fall in love, sex only being a part of it. Caring about someone that genuinely cares about you is more precious than gold.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:09 AM
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35. oh fine, hugs for everyone
I am neither gay nor straight. I prefer the sexual congress of women, but that doesn't make me 'straight' (I hate that term)

I still don't see what the big deal is here on DU about this, the beauty of the internet is that you can be whomever you want to be, kinda like the ultimate fair society. If you have something to say, you won't be judged by anything except your words, meritocracy defined.

Why does it matter to anyone here if I log off and go screw a woman or a man, as long as they consent? does it somehow phrase my comments in a different manner? would I have more or less credibiity if I was homosexal, heterosexual, bisexual or omnisexual? Who you fall in love with is a personal and private matter, one you really can't control. I am happy for any person who falls in love with someone who reciprocates that love. This is the ideal, nothing else matters.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:50 AM
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48. Totally agree.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:09 AM
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36. I agree, should not be a problem or barrier.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:18 AM
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39. COUNT US IN
My wife and I feel the same.

:hug: :hug:

We're tired of all forms of bigotry.

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:19 AM
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40. NOMINATED!!! Hugs from me too!!!!
I proudly display the HRC blue and gold on my car window to show my support. I have gay friends, and I want them to find love and be happy. We can always use more love in the world.

:loveya: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :loveya:
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:23 AM
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41. We love you JUST the way you are... n/t
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:25 AM
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42. Thanks kids!
:loveya:
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:29 AM
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44. Ronny, don't tell me you're gay?!?!
Sorry, that is quite the shock
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:26 AM
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43. Wait, I thought this was the Cinco de Mayo thread.
Besos y abrazos.

(When Gavin was issuing licenses here, Doug and I wanted to go to City Hall and marry a gay person. Just to freak the fundies out :) )
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:44 AM
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46. LMAO!!! That's great!!!:-) (nt)
:yourock:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:51 AM
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49. Huge hug from me!!
My best friend is gay. He is the most kind, loving person in my life. I'd marry him if he weren't gay!

I'm also sick to death of the bigotry and homophobia rampant in the US among the fundamentalists. Is their faith so weak that a strangers sex life will destroy their family?!! They aren't fun and definitely are "mental". Ordered some off my porch last week. Smiled and asked if they voted for shrub, they smiled and said yes, I then calmly stated "Then get of my property." They can spread their hatred and intolerance elsewhere. Wish now though that I'd pointed out how when they buy milk the receipt says - homo milk!!:evilgrin:

:grouphug:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:01 AM
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50. Hugs to all!
Got your back, too.
:loveya:
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:17 AM
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54. Add us as well
Marshmallow and I can't figure out for the life of us why it matters what your sexual preference may be. As long as people don't come to our house and demand to have sex in front of us on our living room floor, then it's no damn business of ours.
I wouldn't allow anyone straight, gay, bi, to use my living room floor for sex, be decent enough to use the spare bedroom.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:26 AM
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55. My best friend is gay--we've been friends since we were three.
She just got it all figured out a few years ago. Still won't come out to her 75 year old mom. However, she is finally happy!! I made her promise me that I get to hold the bouquet if she and her partner decide to get married. It's only fair, she held mine for me at my wedding 20 years ago!

And, I shared a house with another best friend in college. I was seriously depressed, he was coming out. We saved each other's lives, literally.

So, hugs and love to all gay or straight DUers who need or want some support.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:36 AM
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56.  I agree with Lynn
Some of the nicest gentlest kindest people of known were gay. Being a decent human being has nothing to do with thier orientation. Big Hugs to you and if anoyne has any information on how I can help fight for the rights of GBLT people let me know. Danny.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:00 AM
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57. Queer Sex:
I wish I had the exact quote in front of me but I don't. It occurs in the most recent issue of the San Francisco Guardian in the context of an "Ann Landers" like column where a tranny boy (young female in transexual transition) is asking how he should break it to his girl friend now that, in conjunction with taking testosterone, he has begun to feel attracted to other boys. (Did you follow that?)

In part of the reply, the writer speaks of "Queer Sex" and mentions that she (if I recall) knows ardently Lesbian and Gay men who, on occasion, have sex with one another and insist there is nothing HETERO about it. Queer Sex is sex between self identified queer people regardless of gender or gender identification.

Polymorphous sexuality is not 'perverse' but may be the natural human state. Which is not to say that individuals do not have sexual preferences--obviously they do--merely to point out that the range of these 'preferences' may not be as narrow or decidedly set for everyone as we usually are made to think.

For the most part we are given only those images of ourselves that those who shape social norms wish us to see.

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:09 AM
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59. Wow! That's interesting! Never saw/heard that explained before
And I completely agree with this statement: "the range of these 'preferences' may not be as narrow or decidedly set for everyone as we usually are made to think."

That's exactly what I believe. Though I consider myself straight, I am quite public about my girl-crush on Salma Hayek, and would switch teams for her in a heartbeat!LOL :loveya:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:28 AM
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61. I self identify as gay and have since I was 18 years old.
Edited on Thu May-05-05 11:29 AM by Beam Me Up
For almost ten years I was in a heterosexual relationship with a straight woman. People would ask me, are you "bi" and I would insist, no, I am '"gay." I was always clear where my sexual PREFERENCE was but I was in a heterosexual relationship because I'd fallen in love with a straight woman. My woman friend and I are no longer a couple or sexual with one another but we are like family to one another. Closer than that, actually.

By the way, I'll add that it seems to me there are some homosexual men (men who have sex with men) who are not "gay." There are some men who use sex as a form of manipulation and control of other men (this control can be assumed in either the more 'dominant' or 'passive' rolls). For me, "gay" has at least as much to do with EMOTIONALITY as it does with sexuality. I self identify as a "gay" man because I am EMOTIONALLY attracted to men--and fall in love with them quite easily regardless of THEIR sexual preference. In fact, I'm a bit more prone to fall for straight men than gay ones. That said, I have been in two long term gay relationships. One lasted seven years before my partner died of a brain tumor. The other one lasted four. Currently I'm single and happy :)

Edit, left out a word.
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loudestchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:41 AM
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62. Salma....what a woman!
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:41 PM
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65. I've always thought of it as a scale...
or a gauge of sexuality. If the needle is all the way on one side, you're completely homosexual, if it's all the way on the other side you're completely heterosexual. If it's exactly in the middle you're bisexual. But ultimately, most people are somewhere in between, making them lean towards sex over another but not completely without interest in the opposite.

I actually told this to a gay friend of mine who was rolling his eyes because another friend told him she was bisexual. He said he never thought of it that way before.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:17 PM
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68. Yes, my partner is a trannyboy
Edited on Thu May-05-05 05:18 PM by readmoreoften
and I'm a femme and I identify as a lesbian/dyke. What, all of a sudden I'm hetero because my butch goes on testosterone? I don't think so.

I am really concerned that my partner is going to prefer other trannyboys and/or gay men once he transitions though. For some reason, it seems like the majority of trannyboys turn gay after transitioning.

It scares me to death!!!! Ah! :hi:
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Doc Bottom Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:50 PM
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75. I hadn't heard that.
Which is funny, considering my perculiar gender status.

People often find that, when they take hormones, whatever 'chemistry' appeal their partner once had is gone. This happens a lot to women who go on the pill -- she meets a man she wants to have sex with, gets birth-control pills, and then finds out that messing with her hormones that way has made him "Smell different" to her, and he's just not exciting any more.

Taking hormones for gender-transition stuff is no doubt more wild. Certainly the guys that do so get pretty weird until they're acclimated to it.

If it's any comfort, the overwhelming majority trannyboys I know have been devoted boyfriends and husbands throughout.
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:05 AM
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58. Hugs from me too
:hug: :grouphug: :pals:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:10 AM
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60. Hugs, hugs, and more hugs!!! Yessiree!!!! Another hug, too.
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loudestchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:45 AM
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63. I'll add my hugs to the pile!!!! The GLBT are our neighbors, our friends,
our co-workers, our families, ourselves! We All Love!:grouphug: :hug:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:47 AM
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64. A shout for equality
"Where a rainbow made of children, were an army singing a song, aint no weapon that can stop us rainbow love is far too strong."
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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:09 PM
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66. A hug by any other name
From me. My wife is asleep but you get a proxy hug from her too
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:19 PM
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69. Let me into the GROUP HUG TOO! And I'll post my favorite LTTE of all time
in honor of what must be a gay/bi/straight MOUNTAIN of people in this group hug by now. (I'm imagining laughing people of every description yelling woohoo! :woohoo: and taking running leaps onto the pile.) For the record, I'm not gay or (I think) bi, but I have ABSOLUTELY NO negative feelings about people who are. Some of the most warm, charming people I know are gay. Who the hell cares? Unless a person plans on having sexual intercourse with every person they meet, why should orientation matter at all?

As promised, here is my all-time favorite LTTE, written by a loving mother of a troubled gay teen to her "upright" community who had made his life hell...well, you'll read the story. This will be the fourth time I've posted it at DU. It is absolutely wonderful - please pass it on and share the obvious love. I don't have the original link, but it was an LTTE and intended to be seen by as many people as possible and has been in internet circulation for years, so I am assuming that copyright issues don't intrude. I'll post the whole thing:


Letter to the Editor


by Sharon Underwood, Sunday, April 30, 2000
from the Valley News (White River Junction, VT/Hanover, NH)

As the mother of a gay son, I've seen firsthand how cruel and misguided people can be.

Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people.

I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay.

He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity.

You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and it's about time you started doing that.

At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it is genetic or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, I don't know. I can only tell you with an absolute certainty that it is inborn.

If you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change it. For those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop saying that you are speaking for "true Vermonters."

You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't give their lives so that the "homosexual agenda "could tear down the principles they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart.

He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't the measure of the man.

You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.

How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage.

You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin.

The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the idea of striving...to be better human beings than we are?"

Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?



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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:33 PM
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74. That's a powerful letter.
Thanks for posting it again.

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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:56 PM
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70. I just do not get it.
I have no idea why so many people are threatened by what someone does in the privacy of their own home. The only thing I can figure out is that they feel threatened because they have leanings that way?

As far as people who are bi goes, I have had such an encounter myself. Not just a sexual encounter but I dated the girl for a while.

You know those 'lists' that couples make up? Hubby says I can list ten men and then I can list as many women as I want as long as he can watch. I have told him watching but not touching is fine!!! LOL. Selma is fine but I like Jill Hennessey from Crossing Jordan.

At any rate, rock on gays and bisexuals. Live like you want to live and be happy. Life is too short to let an ignoramus interfere with your happiness.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:01 PM
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71. actually, they're not offended by what we do in the privacy of our homes
They don't really care if we fuck parakeets. They just want us to stop holding hands in public, living out of the closet, and wanting our partner's publically recognized as such.

Actually, this has very little to do with sex.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:28 PM
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73. read, I still do not get it.
I mean, I understand it on one level which means I comprehend what they are saying but in my heart I just do not get it. Someone walking down the street holding hands does not effect my marriage. And the only way it effects me, personally, is that I get goosebumps no matter what sex the couple is. How people can be this narrow minded is beyond my comprehension.

As a famous singer said:

What the world needs now
Is love sweet love
That's the only thing
that there's
just too little of.

The world would be so much better with more love and less hate.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:28 PM
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81. Read I think your right.
Its about power and control. Right now the GOP is terrorising anyone who is not in thier "big tent party," and they do that by villifying that "group" and sub group to the point were your just about to go postal. But they forgot one thing, it's not the size of the fight in the dog that counts its the size of the fight in dog. And believe me this dog still has some fight left in his heart.

In the meantime I myself am willing to help any way that I can we cant let these people who want to segrate and divide us win. And I lose that term people loosely. Have a peaceful and gentle night and I will be sending positive energy out there I can to you. Danny.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:04 PM
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72. Me too!
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:56 PM
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76. Love is love is love is love is....
No matter how shared, or by whom, love in all it's forms must always be celebrated. From the simple act of a kind smile, to the holding of family and friends near and dear, to the passion and commitment of relationships, love is all we have when things look their worst, and love is all we feel when things are their best.


My love to you all.


:loveya:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:58 PM
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77. Love to all
I love people everywhere. Big hugs guys and gals.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:29 PM
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78. Thank you
I :hug: back
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:43 PM
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79. My favorite thread of the day.
All good things to you both! :hug: :hug: :hug:
Thanks, you made my day. :thumbsup:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:27 PM
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80. Big love
love

hugs

love ya love ya love ya

not to metion that you have the best music!(just kidding with the generalization!...)
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:02 PM
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83. I don't care, either.
It's a non-issue to me, and it always will. Why other people care who sleeps w/ who is one of life's great mysteries to me.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:41 PM
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85. AGREE!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:13 AM
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86. abraço
:hug:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:33 AM
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87. I just happen to have some more
HUGS!!!

:)
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Suziq Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:56 AM
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88. Major Hugs . . .
from me and my husband :grouphug: to all my GLBT friends. We are with you.



:hippie:
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:18 AM
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89. I second that emoticon!
:hug:
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