Evelyn Roberts Has Died

[Coyote_Bandit]

Wife of Evangelist Oral Roberts.

Story Here: http://www.tulsaworld.com/BreakingNewsStory.asp?ID=050504_Br_Robertsdeath

edit for spelling.....

[burrowowl]

1. At last

she is rid of him.

[DearAbby]

2. But...but gawd said he would take him home first...

:::confused look :::

[BlackVelvetElvis]

3. In all honesty, it makes me sad.

Another elderly person dying of a bad fall.

[Erika]

4. Agreed.

I see so many frail elderly walking without assistance. I don't know what the answer is though.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

6. Others die of falls, too

Not just the elderly.

Very often a hip breaks and then the person falls. Sounds like that's what might have happened to Mrs. Roberts.

It happens. Nobody lives forever.

But I still think Oral should have healed her. Or, if there was some conflict of interest, like I don't represent family members in legal matters, he could have called Ernest Angley or Jimmie Swaggart or one of his fellow faith healers.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Why didn't he heal her?

You know what I think?

I think Oral's a fake.

That's what I think.

And his name is pretty suspicous, too.

[Coyote_Bandit]

13. His birth name

was Granville Obadiah Roberts. Not sure where the moniker Oral came from. Probably don't want to know.

[Blue Diadem]

16. I know he was healed from

TB. I think..I remember something about him stammering in his younger years. I could be wrong..but I think that's how the name Oral came about.

[flordehinojos]

7. the christian right has really turned me against all these evangelists etc

BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS ... THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I THOUGHT ORAL ROBERTS WAS A GODLY MAN ... AND SINCE HIS NAME HAD NOT MADE THE NEWSMEDIA HERE LATELY THROUGHOUT THE SCHIAVO CASE AND SO MANY OTHER RIGHT WING AGENDAS I'D RECENTLY WONDERED AND TOLD MYSELF, ORAL ROBERTS MUST BE A GOOD MAN.

I still think he is a good man.

I KNOW THAT THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT GETS IT WRONG ALL OF THE TIME.

I am sorry to hear that EVELYN ROBERTS has died...

[Blue Diadem]

8. Does a good man lay hands on a downs syndrome child to heal

her from her affliction? Or does a good man say to the parents let's pray that she'll achieve the most she can in this life? Accept her for who she is and pray for her continued good health.

I don't mean to sound grumpy with you, but I was one that had to stand in his prayer lines when I was a kid..watching and waiting for all the healing that never took place. I watched my parents send their money to him..for strips of prayer cloths and prayers to heal my sister..for what..to hear him say it's about faith? You don't have enough faith. If only you have enough faith, God will heal..and you'll have your miracle.

Good men don't take advantage of people.

[flordehinojos]

9. i don't know the answer to your question ...

i have seen healing and experienced healing.

i also once had an ex-priest, a man who had left the priesthood, had married and was making a career in social work, ask me WHY WAS IT THAT SOME WERE TOUCHED BY THE HEALING HAND OF GOD, AND SOME WERE NOT.

You stood at the Oral Roberts healing lines. I just listened to him on the television and called their prayer line a few times... it was later on, when he had semi-retired and his son was more or less running the show that i began to wonder about things, "does it matter what those students are wearing? why do they have to all be all primrosed dressed all the time? why are they putting emphasis on some things that don't need placing emphasis upon..." so slowly i began to think of them as missing the boat which is what i think of all of those christian right-christian coalition people.

And, as for healing ... this is from a book called HEALING PRAYER by Barbara Leahy Shlemon.

"What about those people who retain their infirmities despite repeated prayer efforts? There are an infinite number of reasons why
people are not healed and only our Father in heaven really knows the answer to that question. ..... Years of experience have taught me to stop expending so much energy asking, 'why aren't they all healed?' and to realize that the problem is too complex for my mind. i have learned to direct my efforts toward praying for the sick, leaving the results up to the Creator who is still very much in charge of the universe. i have absolutely no doubt that the lord wants wholeness for all of us, but he will bring it about in his way and in his time."

And ... this, from a dying minister whom i once knew ...

"I learned recently from a gifted counselor that my healing needs to take place more at the soul-ular level than at the cellular level. What that awareness led to was understanding the destructive nature of fear and the importance of letting go of fear, moving instead toward love, its opposite. Our society tends to fear the ultimate loss of control, giving up to death. I cling to the belief that even after I die, I will be able to touch my family with my love for them. In Brian Wren's glorious new hymn "Bring Many Names," he speaks of death as "joyful darkness" --an image I appreciate, one that suggests to me happy unknown reunions" --

a quote which to me reflects her belief in ultimate healing, and that is that even death will never break the bonds of love the pass between she and her family.

[ebayfool]

10. You knew Micki Esselstyn?

" ... soul-ular level than at the cellular level". http://www.esselstyn.com/mickinews/mommay23.html

[flordehinojos]

11. yes, i did. are you related to her?

[ebayfool]

17. No, not related - I had heard the quote you used & checked out the site

dedicated to her. It's a memorable quote, so it sticks in the mind.

[flordehinojos]

18. i met micky through the gifted counselor that she refers to in the quote.

[Blue Diadem]

12. I don't doubt that there are some healings,

I just think most of faith healing and televangelism today is a massive industry that began with Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, etc. They say it's to reach the people, to spread the word of God, but yet they live in the lap of luxury with custom suits and gold jewelry and mansions, while people starve and are homeless.

"i have learned to direct my efforts toward praying for the sick, leaving the results up to the Creator who is still very much in charge of the universe. i have absolutely no doubt that the lord wants wholeness for all of us, but he will bring it about in his way and in his time."

Yes..very true. Exactly what many faith-healers do not say, that it is God's choice and may not take place on this Earth. It's usually blamed on a lack of faith, then let's continue to pray for your faith, and when you have complete faith, then the healing will take place.



"I learned recently from a gifted counselor that my healing needs to take place more at the soul-ular level than at the cellular level.

Very profound words.

[Coyote_Bandit]

14. I Can Tell You For a Fact

that ORU students who wanted to wear black armbands on campus to protest the 10th anniversary of Roe v Wade were prohibited from doing so by the university administration at a time when Oral was still president of the university.

I know at one point Oral was a DEMOCRAT. Not sure if that i still true though.

He may be a money-grubbing greedy preacher. But he did not manipulate his followers political views and votes. At least certainly not to the extent of many of his contemporaries.

[Blue Diadem]

15. That's good to know. n/t